Is the L-Tec/JET just a fad?

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  1. cluckcluck

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    As the title says. For a while there, this board would be filled with L-Tec hybrid reviews and JET/Jaycee method questions. Now, not a peep. Is the whole idea/concept dead? Or do players still try/use it?
     
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  2. Up&comer

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    Yep.

    10 fads come and gone
     
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    I'm not sure what you're "yepping" to.
     
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    Not sure about the JET method but it is not a gimmick at least the string itself. I don't string using the JET method and I still like how Ltec 4S/0S plays as a cross in a hybrid setup with natural gut mains and I have tried many strings.
     
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    Maybe people are tired of debating. Either you like it or you don't, and no amount of raving or bashing will change folks from one camp to the other.
     
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    My only full bed of poly was strung with the JET method. I can't say much more than that and don't exactly plan on going back to full poly.
     
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    This is probably true, I did read a few threads with one poster (Torres) going bananas in hatred for the strings and method. I for one, enjoy the method and strings very much...when I can afford to pay my stringer.
     
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    The L-Tec wars were won ages ago. Even the original L-Tec groupies (LA fan etc) and their leader (kiteboard) no longer play with the strings anymore.
     
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    The stringing method is a stringing method. Nothing more. Whether one likes the strings or not is their preference. I think people realized however that since 99% of stringers will not adopt a new technique just to install a particular string, that it's not worth the price.
     
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    Agree, good answer. I string Jet sometimes.
     
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    What you said except I string for myself.
     
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    Agreed.

    I've tried the method and not worth the time to explain to clients about the new methods.

    Have several samples of L-tec to try, haven't mustered the courage to give them a whirl...is it that they're overpriced? Probably. I know one thing is true, they will not be installed with JET.
     
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    I think it's the price that gets people but for me, it plays pretty good. For me since I don't enjoy restringing that much, it's the right string for me given the durability is higher than all the others I have tried.
     
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    The title. Was it just a fad? Yes. It was a string and stringing technique that claimed if you don't string it exactly how we tell you, you won't get the best playability.
     
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    I tried the 4S as a cross and didn't like it. Did come away using the JET method though. Just like the way the string bed feels..
     
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    So it appears that some like the string (not necessarily the method) and some don't. That could be said about every string on the market. That means, it's "just another poly"?
     
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    I still use it as a cross. Either 0s. Or 4s.
    My favorite poly. Had to use gut mains to keep my arm healthy. But I really like the string.
    I am going to do a review vs. Lux 4g 16 as a cross thought. I just picked upna set of 4g.
    Ltec is my favorite full poly string job.
     
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    I tried a few set ups with it and it is ok....nothing that other way cheaper polys on the market can't accomplish...I think it does hold tension fairly well, but playbility is mediocre during the whole encounter. I had it strung in the high 50s so take my opinion for what it's worth given the low low tensions they recommend.
     
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    The JET method simply doesn't work as advertised. Period. It's not going to make one a better player, and it doesn't hold tension as well as claimed, so why bother going thru the extra trouble to string it with this method?

    can't comment on strings.
     
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    You should try them and comment.
    In a full job of LTEC 5S in a stiff racket, one should go 44 mains and 48 crosses if not using the JET method. (That I was told by a professional stringer that knows the strings and method-JY.)
    Im going to give it a shot and compare side by side this LTEC 5S with B5E at that same tension in a APD GT. Could be a waste of money but who knows.
     
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    From what I've learned/been told, the JET method was designed to be used with the l-tec strings specifically. Since you haven't tried the strings with the method or the strings alone, then how can you say that the method doesn't work as advertised?
     
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    taking readings using an ERT tells you all you need to know. LTec doesn't hold tension really any better than other co-polys...
    strung with or without the 'jet method'.
    How anyone can claim that the low tension method yields a higher tension than what is strung at...well, smoke and mirrors...
    slow tensioning stretches the string, removes some of the natural resilience of the string...doesn't make it tighter. Stringing with the method described yields string jobs that have a Dt value around 31 or less...they are at 25 after two hitting sessions...The strings are anything but crisp byt the third outing...
     
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    I would never advise, nor string my own racquet with the crosses tighter than the mains, unless I wanted a longer racquet. Stringing a racquet in this manner is completely contrary to proportional stringing, which ironically, is what JET is in a way trying to advocate/achieve.

    Propoganda.

    Do you really think a string knows what kind of stringing method is being used on it? Better yet, what kind of machine? (constant pull, linear, rotational, drop weight, crank?) How about the clamps? (floating, fixed, etc?

    All BS.


    Because I was provided the stringing method a few years before it was released to public. It didn't work as advertised (hold tension).

    The strings may very well hold tension better than any poly on the market, but it is not because of this method.
     
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  24. mikeler

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    I think LTEC is a fad but I thought the same thing about country music.
     
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    :D Same thing with the Internet, right?
     
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    In all my experimentation I thought the mini Jet method gave a little more pocketing to the ball. As far as L-Tec strings I absoutly loved the 3S with synthetic gut. For the price I can get the same control with full gut, not exactly the feel but a lot more durability even though I had several sets last over 30 hours, I felt 15 hours, which is great and I needed to restring. So I went back to full gut because I found a quality string for $20
     
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    No, I knew the internet was hear to stay after I discovered supermodel pictures on Yahoo for the first time. :)
     
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    Wasn't the recommendation "back in the days of Kevlar" to string the Kevlar mains 4-5 lbs looser than the crosses? Not arguing, I just remember that was the word on the street.
     
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  29. drakulie

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    I don't recall that. I always strung them the same.
     
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  30. McLovin

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    Here you go (from TW's learning page http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/LC/StringReference.html):
    Kevlar - The most durable string available. Kevlar is very stiff and strings up very tight. Therefore, it is usually combined with nylon to reduce the string bed stiffness (Kevlar main strings, nylon cross strings). Still, Kevlar hybrids are the least powerful and least comfortable strings currently available. Players trying kevlar hybrids for the first time (from nylon strings) are recommended to reduce tension by 10% to compensate for the added stiffness. Not recommended for beginners or players with arm injuries.​

    I would always mix my Kevlar w/ Gut, so it was 56lb mains, 60lb crosses, or ~ 7% drop. But again, I only did that because I was advised to do it.
     
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    I think what Drak is saying is that once you follow the 10% rule, then you string both strings at that tension. In other words, if you get a set of Crossfire II, you string the racquet at 52/52. No reasonable change in tension in the crosses is going to give you more power.
     
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    ^^ Mclovin, That doesn't say to string the kevlar looser. It says to reduce tension by 10%, which I would interpret as the whole string bed.
     
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    Levy, can you describe your "mini JET"? Want to see if it's similar to what I do to minimise the tension loss on tie-offs?
     
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    Then why do pros string their poly cross looser than gut mains? Like fed.
     
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    Not all pros do this. Most just string at one tension. That said, stringing the crosses looser would make the string bed more proportional than stringing them tighter.
     
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    I'm not here to disagree with Drak because that would just be stupid. Rather, the general reason at least as far as rec players go is to get a more uniform SBS, you need to string your more elastic string tighter. Now, you don't need to do this at all. It's simply the rule of thumb passed along. What the pros do truthfully isn't relevant to what rec players do. Take Borg, Seles, Blake and Sampras as prime examples. I would not recommend to any client to string anything, let alone ALU as in Blake's case, at a tension above 65lbs.
     
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  37. Boricua

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    Too late, my stringer already strung the racket at 44/48. If I see a dramatic or out of this world experience, Ill post. lol
     
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    I don't think tighter poly crosses makes sense either for a rec player arm pain view.

    My perhaps misguided view is looser poly crosses allows the tighter gut mains more snap back. It seems to work that way for me. But when again it could be placebo.

    Also didn't Roddick string his gut crosses way higher than his poly main?
     
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    I always did the crosses 4 pounds higher when I used hybrids. Your racket will be fine.
     
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    But, in this case its not a hybrid its a full job of copoly. Same thing, you think?
     
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    Oh man, you are hosed. Wear eye protection and watch for exploding rackets.
     
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  42. pvaudio

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    :lol: LOOOOOOOOL
     
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  43. CDestroyer

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    I string 18 gauge Ashaway kevlar mains at 52 pounds and Gosen OG Sheep Micro 1.25 at 60 pounds.

    I have tried many tensions and combinations with these 2 strings and that offers the best feel, control and spin.

    The kevlars are 3 times as stiff as the nylons and much more elastic. It creates a good balance to the string bed and the sweet spot is bigger with this method.

    When I string the same setup at 57 pounds for both the sweet spot is small, spin is reduced, comfort and feel is reduced.

    Just try it and see if you like it and let us know.:smile:
     
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  44. CDestroyer

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    Thats because the polys are twice as stiff and half as elastic as the holy gut.
     
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    Got my swimming goggles on, Ill let you know how it went.
     
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    What are you laughing about, these are very trascendental questions:)
     
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    Huh, good point. I guess I read it differently because my perception was 'string mains looser'. Interesting how preconceived notions can affect the interpretation of a simple line of instruction.

    I'd be interested to hear TW's interpretation, since they wrote it, and maybe clarify their instructions.
     
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    Instructions on the package of Ashaway Crossfire18:
    "It is recommended to string the 18g Aramid mains at 15% to 20% lower than the 16g Syngut cross strings. The Syngut cross strings should be strung in the normal tension range for the frame."
    Aramid mains: up to 55 lbs, Synthetic Gut crosses: up to 70 lbs.
     
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  49. pvaudio

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    ^^^ Indeed it does say that, I just strung two frames with Crossfire II at 52/55.
     
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    The last time I strung Crossfire 18, I did 48/58 on a Radical OS.
    I think the extreme difference in elongation between the two strings tends to cancel out the frame distortion.
    Next time, I will measure the frame before and after as well as the next day.
    Of course, this has nothing to do with L-Tec or JET.
    Sorry for the derail.
     
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