Is the slam record now Nadal's for the taking?

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  1. NADALbULLS

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    Nadal said 2013 was not a winning year, but a transition year. He was transitioning his body from rusty to healthy. He was aiming for peak form in 2014, and still is. 2013 was Djokovic's big chance to win Roland Garros. Bye bye to that.
     
  2. Tennis_Hands

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    What you are saying is insane.

    Nadal (up to now) has the fourth most successful year in his career and the year is not over yet. He has matched his accomplishments for 7 out of 9 career years on the Tour as far as winning Majors is concerned.

    If he was 24-25 I wouldn't put past him to have a transitional year and expect a three Majors year for the next year , but at 28 (which he will be around RG next year) such talk is overly optimistic.
     
  3. Tennisworld

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    He has only a small chance to equal Federer. If he does not win the US Open this year the case is closed.
     
  4. Vcore89

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    Borg (retired) and Mc stopped winning the slams pretty early. Rafa might've already won his last slam; a neat dozen. No one knows.
     
  5. NADALbULLS

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    Go and argue with Nadal. Nadal said before Roland Garros that 2013 was his transition year and that 2014 was the goal. And if you look at the way he played the clay season, it looked like a transition year. He was below his best. The only time he looked in form was the 5th set of RG semi when he hit 22 winners in the face of Djokovic. Nadal was rusty after 7 months of injury. He's back now and on the upswing to 2014.
     
  6. monfed

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    Yea,after having all the momentum after winning RG,he flamed out in R1 of Wimby,bettering his 2012 result(NOT). Upswing? More like downswing,Ralph has most likely finished all his fuel for this season. :lol:
     
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    Up until Wimbledon, a "rusty Nadal after 7 months of injury" made 9/9 finals, 7 titles and is 43-3 to date. What a transition year! :shock:
    He really should sweep all tournaments he enters next year. In fact he really should go undefeated.
     
  8. NADALbULLS

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    Nadal will go undefeated on clay next year. But Wimbledon is really his rest period, in recent years. Its necessary that he recharges after the clay season. That's the difference between being young and being older. Toni doesn't seem to like it, as he criticized Nadal's motivation level at Wimbledon this year. Toni will have to suck it up, because Nadal knows best.
     
  9. NADALbULLS

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    In addition to aiming for 12 Roland Garros titles, I think a great goal would be to win the DOUBLE-CAREER-GRAND-SLAM. Nadal needs one more US Open and one more Australian Open.
     
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    If USO 2010 was the last grand slam Nadal won outside of Roland Garros, then I don't think he can get to 17 grand slams.

    I think he has 2 or 3 Roland Garros titles left in him, in which case he would have to win 2 or 3 grand slams outside of roland Garros te equal Federer. I don't see that happening to be fair.
     
  11. Russeljones

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    Much more important to his legacy to win the WTF at least once.
     
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    One more Wimbledon plus either an AO or USO might be better. He would then be the only player with at least 3 clay, 3 grass and 3 HC slams. He's now only one of two players with at least 2 of each.
     
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    And here is one of the best posts in this thread.
     
  14. Antonio Puente

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    Assuming you were serious, Russ, I would have to say that only on this forum would a WTF trump a double career grand slam.
     
  15. monfed

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    Are you sure you got all the combinations covered? :lol:
     
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    I am not going to "go argue with Nadal" as that is both impossible and useless.

    I think that when one defines his goal he defines what he wants to achieve.

    Did Nadal define what he wants to achieve as opposed to what he is aiming for in his "transitional" year?

    If not it is a pile of BS we are talking about when discussing his statement.

    Hate to point at it, but you are not exactly accurate on your usage of phrases like "his best".

    How exactly do you expect him to play in 2014? Please give reference to a time period or an year, when he played in a fashion that you expect him to play in in 2014.

    You also have no idea what you are talking about, if you think that 9 finals out of 9 tournaments played is a sign of rustyness. Especially at the tail end of that serie.

    I am almost certain that you will be dead wrong on your prediction in the first sentence. If you believe in that you can put your money where your mouth is and then post the proof of it.

    I am also curious how long does Nadal need to "rest"? Untill the US Open, WTF, AO, the beginning of the next clay court season?

    Saying that Wimbledon is a "rest" period for anyone is a joke. Even in the 90ies, when the clay courters had little to no chance of advancing past the first 2-3 rounds, they were participating on a regular basis. The statement about the "rest" is a total ignorance.
     
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    First off all ı am not the one who said Borg was kind of unlucky not to win Us Open.All ı said Rafa won Us Open and in this kind of logic you can argue he would win more Wimbledon titles and maybe he deserves some slack as well.Djokovic in 2011 was so tough to beat on any surface regardless what you believe. I never said the word he is unbeatable on grass.He was certainly playing the tennis of his life regardless of the surfaces.Roger RG win towards him still doesnt change reality when you look at the big picture that Djoko was the player to beat in any surface in 2011.
     
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    I understand this was the OP's question, but he doesn't need 6 to knock Fed from goathood. 2-3 more and Fed is no longer the GOAT. This doesn't mean Rafa would be the undisputed GOAT. It just means there will be no GOAT. With 5 more, then yes, Rafa would be the GOAT. If you finish with the most slams, the most masters, a Career Golden Slam, own Fed who was the GOAT, own all of your other competition, including two other all-time greats, you're the GOAT.
     
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    But where are Nadal's weeks as world #1 going to come from? Years ended as world #1? WTF won? Only in a parallel universe would those deficits be made up by winning 14-15 Slams to Federer's 17. "insert preferred number of facepalms"
     
  20. monfed

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    Say he wins 3 more, then H2H cancels out two slams. Got it. But why stop at 2,why not 5? :lol:
    I guess it doesn't matter if he wins 10 or 11/15 at RG either,right?
    I suppose H2H takes care of that too.
    H2H also takes care of weeks at #1,YE1,WTFs too.
    And last but not least, I suppose 1OG = 6WTF? Or is it 1OG=1WTF but H2H covers the rest 5 WTFs. Or WTF is just a worthless cheesy exho(my personal fav reason)? :lol:

    And this clown calls ME a troll....
     
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    delete post.
     
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    in what paralel universe? federer is the all-time leader at slams,weeks at no.1, wtf won and other achievements and you are saying he cannot be the goat just like that?

    shall i remind you that yes nadal owns federer. but at the end of their careers if nadal does not better his achievements federer will laugh in his face. because in the end nadal owned federer but did not own his achievements. it is obvious. achievements matter in the end.

    any sane person would not say nadal is better than federer judging by their achievements. you cannot be the goat if one of your main rivals has more achievements than you. in the end people will look at the h2h and will say that ok nadal has beaten federer more than anybody else. but why didn't he stop him from achieving all these? these are the implications in owning somebody.
     
  23. mike danny

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    at the end of the day yes nadal was a pain the *** but did not stop him from breaking all the records
     
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    LOL, great post! You deserve your account for this alone!
     
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    Wasn't it called "Rest year" so far in Nadalogical terms ? like 2009 and 2011 ?
     
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    Sorry, I can't see him surpassing RFederer's slam. People who are saying he'll win 5-6 RG are just delusional. 2 more RG and maybe 1 more AO trophies is all I can see him taking home which makes him the second most successful GS player ever.
     
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    2 "blips" in as many tries? ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!! Slick early tournament grass notwithstanding, I'd say it's quite a ways from losing 2 straight matches to guys with triple digit rankings to winning 7 straight matches there, wouldn't you?
     
  28. monfed

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    Thanks Eragon. :)
     
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    You guys need to get over yourselves.

    This has been discussed to death.
     
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    i know. an still there is no conclusion. nadal fans will still clinge to the h2h no matter what federer keeps doing
     
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    Yeah and i never said Nadal didn't deserve some slack at wimby, you just got into overdefensive Nadal fan mode. It wasn't like i was talking about their whole careers and saying Borg was more unlucky. all i was saying was Borg is treated a bit harshly about not winning the uso, when he made 4 finals against 2 of the greatest champions of that event.
    He took mac to five sets after plying back to back 5 sets before that. considering how the excuses were being prepared prior to the 2009 ao final cos Nadal played ONE 5 setter, i can only imagine them if he had played two... yet that is all that stands between Borg and being ahead of Nadal, del potro and Murray and on a par with Djokovic. considering that i think Borg deserves some respect regarding his uso record. He didn't fail to win it because he was incapable, just like if Nadal had made and lost 4 Wimby finals to Federer he would have just lost out to an all time great of that event.

    You had to bring wimbledon into it for no reason. And yeah Nadal had it tough for a couple of years but after beating federer (who was obviously way past his prime ;) ) he was 22 with a clear shot at titles. but you explain away his lack of wimby titles by saying 2 of his losses don't count and then overhyping Djokovic in 2011 on grass, who as playing great tennis but a level that Nadal could certainly have matched, but he lost the mental battle.

    of course you overlook that Borg had to beat Connors 3 times at wimbledon, plus Roscoe Tanner, who in case you never heard of had a monster serve which was maybe the biggest til roddick. but you say there were no big servers and he faced no one great... whatever. People write off the past players too easily.

    All i was saying is Borg may have never won the uso but he had to deal with two of the best uso champions so i think he deserves a bit of respect there because i certainly think he was capable of one title. i never said Nadal was a worse player, I just don't think players like Nadal, Delpo and Murray are miles better than Borg at the USO.
     
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    This is the perfect time to judge Nadal's willingness to take 21 sets at a major other than RG. If these last weeks aren't sufficient recuperation time for him come August, then I think he's fated to fall short of Roger's total.
     
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    Correct. If Nadal wants to get close to Federer's slam count he has to win the upcoming USO or AO. There is no way Nadal is going to equal or surpass Federer's count by only relying on FO titles. It won't be enough.
     
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    This thread assumes its Federer that's in the way of Nadal getting 17 slams.

    We all know Federer isn't Nadal's roadblock; he hardly ever was.
     
  35. 6-3 6-0

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    Nobody said that. RNadal's main obstacles are NDjokovic and to a slight extent AMurray (outside of RG). Not to mention that other players on a good day can also take him out (and also RFederer). With couple of early exits from the recent non-clay slams, its unlikely but not impossible.
     
  36. Crisstti

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    It's not a bad argument. And it's not the only one either.
     
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    for the taking?

    NO. LOL.

    nadal could get there but he's gonna have to fight harder than he has...and already has played for 100 years as he says...
     
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    Yes, there's the 750-pointer too.
     
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    what are the other arguments? besides the h2h and OG federer has everything over nadal
     
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    Nadal's last stand was this year's FO. It's over and done with, now. Djokovic/Nadal at RG mirrors Federer/Nadal at Wimbledon. Just as Federer barely managed to hold Nadal off in 2007, Nadal barely managed with Djokovic this year.

    Next year, Djokovic is claiming that title, and barring injury, Nadal will never beat him at a slam again.

    The US Open, Djokovic would smoke Nadal. Murray should be able to take him down there, too.

    Wimbledon, it's hard to say. On one hand, in the first week, anyone can beat him. On the other, that's also where Djokovic is most vulnerable.

    That said, now that Murray's got one and the pressure's off his back, he'd be a constant obstacle for Nadal there at this point, I think.

    Australian Open...if Djokovic is upset, sure. He might be able to squeak one more of these out, but I'm not betting on it.
     
  41. ilovetennis212

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    No way!!
    Nadal can win clay only
     
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    Kind of. It depends on his injuries. He's certainly capable of making it to 17 slams, if his body holds up, outside of clay.

    If it doesn't, and he has to skip a lot of non-clay events, there's no way he'll make it to 17. He just won't have enough match play on the other surfaces to compete.

    That being said, these guys love to prove everyone wrong, so who knows?
     
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    Wow, I can't believe I'm agreeing with Monfed. I guess you are capable of saying things about Nadal with not much hate. Bravo............:twisted:
     
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    Whoever is top of the heap in four years' time will be 15 slams ahead of anyone who is actually still playing. Truly king of the mountain.
     
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    No, it's not. He said one of his main goals is to play at the Olympics in Rio and have a chance to win. And if he's healthy and motivated and still having fun he'll continue even after that. In 2016 he'll be 30, Murray and Djokovic 29. A lot of things can happen until then and no one expects him to be the dominant player (not even on clay) but I don't see why he can't at least be a contender.
     

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