Is the swingweight of Verdasco's racquet really 280???

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  1. beneszilo

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    These are his major bullit elite's(tf tfight 320 pj) specs(unstrung):
    Weight: 330 gram
    Balance: 30.8
    SW: 285 kg/cm²
    Length: 68.5 cm
    Gripsize: L2 (custom pallet)
    Pattern: 16x19
    String: BB original
    Tension: 23 kg -21 kg
    Head Size:98 sq. in. / 630 sq. cm.
    If this is true, his swingweight is very low compared to other tour players.
     
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    thanks for the info. With that head speed you can generate tons of spin.
     
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    lol
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    This is a good spec listing to have for people who think pro's play with extremely demanding rackets.
    This shows Verdasco's racket strung is only slightly over 12 oz. and additionally its around 8pts headlight and swingweight of only around 315 !!
    No wonder he has such a ridiculously fast swingspeed.
     
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  5. RacquetCraft

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    What's the source for the specs your posting?

    Verdasco modified his specs at least 4 times since 2004.

    Verdasco's swing weight is quite low but it is not substantially lower than what many pros are using. Example: Tipsarevic's frame is 298g (unstrung).

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    ROFL. 10 chars
     
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  7. RacquetCraft

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    In that case you would be missing quite a few zeros...

    But everyone has a price:) Do you want to make an offer? I'll pass it on:wink:

    cheers,

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    Negative Fedace. The Pure Storm's SW is barely over 300 and I know many good college players and juniors who use it stock. They are neither old men nor women.
     
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    I love a low swingweight. I have a 12oz stick and the SW is under 320. Best of both worlds.
     
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    I like low swingweights, I can really build up the racquet head speed and place the ball where I want with tons of topspin...
     
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    It is harder to generate your own power and weight of the shot.
     
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    so ignorant...
     
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    not if you string low enough.
     
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    Anyone care to guess on what my SW is? I play with a 27in Aero Storm Tour Weighted to 396g, 9pts. HL. Lead is on the hoop at 3&9, two six inch layers, the rest is in the handle. I've been trying to figure out what my SW is but with no luck.

    Or someone can just ship me an RDC machine and that will solve that. lol.
     
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    I think this new generation of players are playing with less weight than the last Sampras/Agassi generation....

    Andy Murray used to play with a hefty stick but has since lowered his stick to something like 340g...

    I think it has to do with the western grips, poly strings and stiffer racquets that let these guys rip bombs and stick have lower swingweights.
     
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    Whilst I know there's greater variances in pro SW's than some would assume, I find it hard to believe Verdasco's is so low... surely there's a load of hidden lead?

    Q. Any other top males known to play with such low SW's?...
     
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  17. dr325i

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    I would say that your SW is pretty high, >350.
    http://twu.tennis-warehouse.com/learning_center/howto_swingweight.php

    Go to the link here and you can get a good estimate...
     
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  18. The Pure One

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    I doubt the sw of Verdasco's racquet is in the low 300. After all, he adds a substantial amount of lead tape to the 9-3 o'clock positions.
     
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    How do you know he adds weight?
     
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  20. RacquetCraft

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    The Pure One, trust me, you're wrong on this one:wink:

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  21. PurePrestige

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    He is right and wrong, Verdasco does add lead at 3&9...as for a substantial amount, that remains to be seen, could just be a single layer. His racket is quite light to begin with, so even with a layer or two at 3&9 it is entirely possibly his swingweight is that low.
     
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    how do you know he adds lead? is there a number of pics?
     
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    That is TON of Lead......could add up to ~3 oz.
     
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    NOt so. with the MONDO super topspin that all the pros are using, the SW of ~300 will get your racket pushed back like it is made of ping pong paddle or Feather.
     
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    Oh and another thing. If any of the pros are using that low of SW, it is the doubles players where they need lightening quick volleys. but even guys like Leander Paes has SW of ~340 which proves that in pro tennnis, SW must be high to avoid the twisting on impact from heavy shots their opponents throw at them..
     
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    Not likely. If that is 1/2 inch standard lead tape, and about 5 to 6 inches in length (on 3 and 9 o'clock), that would amount to about 5 to 6 grams (or about 0.2 oz).

    He would need about 28 layers of those 5 to 6 inch strips to add 3 oz. to that frame (with the visible lead shown in the photo).
     
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    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    If it's .25 inch lead tape, most commonly used, then there would have to be 340.2 inches of it which would be 56 layers.

    Highly unlikely, but then again it's fedace!
     
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  29. RacquetCraft

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    That is correct...as I wrote in an earlier post, Verdasco has modified his specs at least 4 times since 2004.

    His current set up has an unstrung sw of <300g. His sw was > 300g before that modification (but not greatly over...sorry Fedace:))

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    There you go, if Verdasco's old specs ~2008 were as the OP stated, his swingweight strung would be ~315.
    Further, .25 lead is usually used when it is placed in straight strips on either side of the string bed, but that looks like .5 in. lead similar to what James Blake does where they poke holes in it where the grommet holes are. If that's the case, the lead he started adding in 2009 is probably 2 layers and adding around 15sw.
    So as RacquetCraft said, unstrung SW now being around 300 puts him right around 330 strung.
    Still a low swingweight, but not that low, similar to Federer.

    ...well I just wrote all this then I realized RacquetCraft might have been saying his old swingweight was over 300g unstrung and his new setup is under 300g unstrung...if that is the case I dunno why he adds lead now but has a lower swingweight hah. unless the less than/greater than symbols are mixed up...my bad.
     
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  31. RacquetCraft

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    I actually know what I'm talking about here...I have his racquets:wink:.

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    From Greg Raven's site ( http://www.hdtennis.com/grs/pro_racquet_specs/grab_bag.html ) you can see that there are few pro players that use(d) racquets with a sw lower than 330, like Kafelnikov, R. Krajicek, and Schalken.

    The vast majority of them use racquets with higher sw including the Williams sisters, Kuznetsova ( http://www.hdtennis.com/grs/pro_racquet_specs/200803kuznetsova_head.html ) and Ana Ivanovic ( http://www.hdtennis.com/grs/pro_racquet_specs/200803ivanovic_yonex.html ).

    I guess F Verdasco racquet sw is among Kafelnikov, R. Krajicek, and Schalken group.:shock:
     
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    @ RacquetCraft
    I wasn't disputing that you know :)
    I was just trying to make sure of what you were saying.
    His current setup is under 300 SW, while his old setup was above 300? or vice versa?
     
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  34. RacquetCraft

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    His current setup has a (unstrung) swing weight below 300g

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    I looked at one website but because I'm not exactly sure how how many mm=1pt in terms of balance, I couldn't calculate effectively.

    The stock swingweight is 340, with the weight added and balance adjusted i'm estimating maybe somewhere around 375-380. I need to find an RDC machine bad. I really wanna know what it actually is.

    I didn't have the time, materials of patience to do it the way that TW did.
     
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    slightly off topic here, but i heard a rumor today from someone in the industry that verdasco is signing with adidas to "use" their rackets starting next year
     
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  37. Sup2Dresq

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    That's an awful rumor. Just awful!
     
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    I agree.
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    No way is his swing weight so low.
    Sorry to say so with such conviction because I have never even touched his frame but I have been around enough to know better.
     
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    Anybody find it to be not a mere coincidence that the top players with the lowest swingweights use straight arm forehands?? (Federer, Nadal, Verdasco)
     
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    Lol with adidas? thats hysterical. smart move by adidas, they had to get at least one pro player
     
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    hmmm not according to my info, he signed another few years with Tecnifibre just before Wimbledon...i will check it out when i have the time.

    The specs in this thread were posted by me in another thread and can assure you are genuine, these hairpins come in at 295gram and then get customised to the prefered specs.
     
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    3 oz???? That is 80g. NO WAY out of those two strips, unless they are 1/4 inch tall
     
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    I don't buy it. Maybe I'm seeing things but the lead tape he has at 3 & 9 in the first pic on page 2 of this thread looks THICK. It definitely looks like several layers. Even 2 layers would be about 10 grams, bumping his swingweight up by 20 units.

    Most baseline players, especially the spaniards, like to stash lead under the bumper rather than 3&9. I bet he has some up there too. I'd be willing to bet his SW is actually 340+, with emphasis on +. Regarding swingspeed, Roger and Rafa both use frames with SW above 350. You think they swing slower than Verdasco? I don't think swingweight in that range slows down these strapping fellows.

    Anyway, who know?
     
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    I always like a good bet:twisted:...I would be willing to bet all my worldly possessions that you are wrong. Are you up for that bet? :)

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    jazar, rumours are always interesting, and this board is not short of rumours..

    I'm curious about the source of your rumour info. Was your source someone with Adidas player development program or someone from the Technifibre player development program or, a fellow stringer?

    I won't be surprised if Adidas announces a big name signing...they certainly have the resources to make it happen.

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  47. PurePrestige

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    Rafa may use a higher swingweight in the 350's, but he also has a lighter racket that is head heavy and close to 11oz in weight.
    As for Roger, he uses a swingweight in the 330's, but likewise to Verdasco its static weight is past 12oz and more headlight...
     
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    No, Rafa uses a head light racquet.
     
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    my source is someone in the retail sector who deals with adidas and all the other major brands in the tennis world on a very frequent basis. at first i didnt believe him but when i questioned him he was pretty adamant that we will be seeing verdasco endorsing adidas rackets come the australian open
     
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