Is there anything wrong with these strokes?

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  1. raiden031

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEFvYMpuJLI&feature=related

    This is not a joke. I know he was a great pro, but from an analysis of his technique, would any of the teaching pros here say that there are any flaws in his technique? I'm just asking because his strokes are not pretty and look awkward, but were obviously effective at the highest levels of the game.
     
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    before even getting to the video, i knew it was gonna be jimmy. he was one of those players who had to stretch and twist "proper" technique to fit him. and for him it worked. sometimes his game just looks ugly, but for him thats how it had to be. i grew up watching him play, glad he was not an influence.
     
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  3. BU-Tennis

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    compared to today's standard, he wouldn't be able to compete at such a high level with those strokes. But that is simply because the game has sped up so much due to racquet and string technology, more power plus more control.

    But lets think about tennis realistically. Most of us will never be a pro, or even get to play a pro, or even play in a high level college atmosphere if you get to play collegiate tennis at all. Most just play high school, some junior tourneys, and then either join a league or country club. So I bet if you could hit the ball like old Jimmy, you would have no trouble winning at the 3.5-4.0 level.
     
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  4. Pahansuopa

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    Hmm, I agree. Jimmy might just make it in 3.5-4.0 level.
     
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    i assume these posts are a joke

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcRNZeo70P4
     
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  6. jmverdugo

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    There is nothing wrong with those strokes if you have in mind that those are "classic" flat strokes and not the nowdays used WS topspin strokes.
     
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  7. Julieta

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    He is still great with his feet, balance and athletic position.
     
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  9. BU-Tennis

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    Not a joke at all. There is no way he could handle the high topspin game of today, especially since the courts have been slowed down so much that his flat shots are not nearly as penetrating as they once were.

    But we were just talking about the strokes. If he, being Jimmy, were raised in today's era, his game would develop differently and he would probably be a champion because they are born not made, and the talent is still there.
     
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  10. ramseszerg

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    You do realize he was rallying with Roddick in that video.

    edit: apparently it was Roddick's brother, not sure why he would be hitting with him, but in this video it's Roddick:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPm8aQEvxkE
     
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    Funny how people are saying he can only compete at the 3.5 - 4.0 level and yet John McEnroe who is from the same era can compete on the senior tour (w/ Courier & Sampras although Mac retired from that tour too.)
     
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  13. ramseszerg

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    Only BU-Tennis is saying that. pahansuopa's post was in sarcastic response to BU-Tennis.
     
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  14. oneguy20

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    Let me throw out this question. Do you think Connors can compete on the Outback Champions Tour?
     
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  15. imalil2gangsta4u

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    Ide take them :D
     
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  16. BU-Tennis

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    We are talking about the strokes not the player. If it were only strokes that determined who is/isn't a champion then we would see a huge variance in who wins majors. And if you notice, i said if YOU could hit the ball like OLD Jimmy, YOU could compete at the 3.5-4.0 level, not Jimmy Connors. I was talking about his strokes currently not what they once were.
     
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  17. onehandbh

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    He'd still be way above 3.5/4.0. Imagine taking your body and always
    being balanced/in position and hitting cleanly. You'd beat 4.0's easily.
    Heck, if you just hit flat, cleanly, and placed the ball you'd beat a lot of
    people. Watch the avg 3.5/4.0 match. Most points end w/an unforced error.
     
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    If winning at tennis was about the quality of strokes there would be a heck of a lot of pros. There are a lot of juniors who technically have what it takes to be a pro yet they never make it. Jimmy didn't win or lose because of his strokes. Jimmy won or lost because JIMMY won or lost. Jimmy is simply a superior human being when it comes to tennis athletics. Superior people will find a way to compete. It is part of being superior, it really is.
     
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  19. BounceHitBounceHit

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    Sanity. Finally. :) BHBH
     
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    Correct. He's actually had BOTH hips done. Look, I am a legit 5.0-5.5 and play with former pros around his age all the time. They are TOUGH as nails. 3.5-4.0 players would have trouble winning games. BHBH
     
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    At what college in WV do you play? BHBH
     
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    Yeah for his age and condition, he is playing at a very high level still.
     
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    I agree, no argument from me. That why I was hoping that the poster was joking.
     
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    If I could hit like Jimmy Connors now I'd be a 5.0/5.5 easily. And that's with my poor conditioning.
     
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    There doesn't seem to me anything awkward, imho, though I am not a teaching pro. I just wish I could hit like him, though I have completely different strokes.
    Of course, his strokes are definitely different from those regarded as good strokes these days, but he used to hit flat (even with slight underspin) clearing just above the net.
     
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    I think his backhand is semi-flat semi-slice
     
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    You mean the tour he just won another event on in March? Yeah, he said he would retire - but not so much....
     
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    Wrong. Sorry pal - but just not right. The high topspin of today? I hit flat and love to eat up that high topspin (and I'm not talking about some club players here) and I'm sure JC would chew it up as well - no problem. Actually the flat strokes of JC would cause modern pros more problems than the other way around. His shots would seem to be even more penetrating today since players aren't used to returning that kind of ball. JC seemed to adapt very well to all kinds of players and eras.

    I love when people post idiotic things like JC or Borg or whoever wouldn't be able to compete with todays "supermen"...Please. Santoro seems to have done just fine with his interesting - non modern - style of play - and he is far from a talent of a Borg, JC, McEnroe, etc. Get real people.
     
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  29. Julieta

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    Thanks!

    To add to your post below, I think 3.5-4.0 would not win points, let alone games. Jimmy would have to be distracted by, I dont know, a beautiful woman parachuting out of the sky during a serve or something to lose a point.
     
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  30. Julieta

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    great post.
     
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  31. NLBwell

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    As far as JC's strokes, they are simple and clean and are the perfect model for most players (anyone below 5.0 and probably most 5.0s). The best part of his game though was his foot and body movement and the ability to hit the same stroke no matter if the ball was high, low, away from him, or into the body. There is little margin for error in his stroke, but he was so consistent because he hit the exact same stroke every time. At the 5.0/5.5 level, you would start to need to have some of Connors' ability to move to be effective and most people don't have that.
     
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    That other bloke will never make it with a backhand like that... :twisted:
     
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    IF we had JC's strokes right now, we'd easily play 5.5 to 6 levels.
    He could handle because he shorthopped plenty of balls close to the baseline, used sidespin to control depth like a MrMcEnroe, and had eagle eyes for returning serves and hard hit deep balls.
    He did OK against Borg and Vilas, who hit like the "modern" players of today.
    Now view some vid of MrMc. His strokes where ridiculously short and stunted, and you know, he did OK too.....
     
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    If it is true that JC's shots are more effective than modern pro shots, then why don't people still play with that style? You would think the top pros would be the ones who most effectively adapt to the current conditions of the game such as available equipment and strategies. It seems like the game wouldn't evolve into a topspin game if it was less effective.
     
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    And do you remember what happened to Roddick at that tournament? Rallying with Roddick isn't guarantee that you'd take a game off of Nadal without his serve as well.
     
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    These old pros are sneaky. I drilled with one today and his placement was awesome. Some of the 4.0's and 4.5's keep coming at him and he just shut 'em down. There was nothing in their bag that he hadn't seen a million times before.
     
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  40. NLBwell

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    Because there is no margin for error in the shot. You have to be in perfect position and hit the ball perfectly just over the net. If you could do it as consistently as Connors you could be number 1. The problem is there might never be another person able to do that the way he did.
     
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    One of the great things about tennis is the manner in which so many different styles of play can be effecive. ;) BHBH
     
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    Well, it depends on what you are asking.

    1) Conners were and continue to be quite effective. I have played aginst (and lost to!) many players with similar strokes. So if you have, no need to change them.

    2) However, if you are asking whether the strokes are good to copy - I would suggest not. Technique evolves because new stuff works, often easier. I would not start a new player with hard flat strokes that require perfect timing and footwork. Conners had these. Generations of players never could get them and gave up the game. I would start with a closed/semi-closed stance and a step into the shot, because these can be used to build an all around, attaching game.
     
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