Discussion in 'Tennis Tips/Instruction' started by SaunderS, Feb 8, 2009.
yes or no. I think its an easy one.
Edit: This isnt me by the way.
there is no way thats 100 mph sever also whats up with those shorts
No, and he looks like a moron...
No, it isn't.
No where near, closer to 80.
The tribe has spoken.
P.S. Signed up for Vimeo....... footwork and serves to come from yesterday's practice.
One easy way to tell within maybe 15mph....
If your serves goes into the service box good, and it bounces into the backdrop 20' behind the baseline around thigh/waist high, it's a good bet it's over 110mph.
Your serve bounces about 5' before the backdrop, needing TWO bounces to hit the backdrop.
Like someone said, maybe closer to 80mph.
Now, abrasive courts, the ball bounces HIGHER!
Slick worn concrete courts, the ball skids and bounces lower.
Carpet high. HarTru high. Clay high.
Grass usually low.
If I post video and radar of me hitting the back wall waist high at 70mph will you stop posting this?
Meh... the gauntlet has been drawn.... LOL
Two of my serves were clocked by a radar gun once at a club at 84, and because I didnt want to look foolish I took it "easy", and I think the serves looked pretty much like this one.
I tryed to imagine returning it and tryed to consider how much time I would have versus just watching the ball go across the screen.
It's always hard to tell on video because you're watching the ball travel across a tiny little area on your screen which always makes it appear slower then it really is.
Imagine when you watch the pros on TV, it's like you can actually watch the ball go across the screen. Yet when you are there in person or even worse trying to return it, you wont feel like you have any time.
We already KNOW that a second serve, hit with topspin, travelling 72 mph )), can hit the backdrop AS HIGH as a first serve.
And when you stand in the rafters on the roof of the building, you can hit 20 mph serves and bounce it higher than chest high
And you can use low altitude balls at 7,000 feet and bounce it high at very low service speeds.
And you can hit a tennis ball out of an airplane up at 2,000' and TAP the ball, it bounces higher than waist high.
Actually if drop a tennis ball from 10ft and one from 2,000ft they will travel at the same speed.
Point is, a topspin serve bounces higher. That serve is hit with some topspin, and needs two bounces to ever get near the backdrop.
And if the server is taller, the ball bounces higher. Looks to me OP has the height to bounce balls really high. I'd guess close to 5'11", like me.
And his ball travels really slow looking like one of my slower second serves in ball speed. Mine 80% bounce to the backdrop on one bounce...my SECOND serve.
Didn't you say you were in your 30's or 40's? Why is an adult picking on younger kids about their serve speeds. Leave him be.
Right, so it is a really lame way to calculate serve speed.
If you can watch the video, you can count the frames.
Geewillikers, I'm 59 and 11 months, 25 days
How am I picking on the OP? Didn't he ask about his service speed? Wouldn't a guy who competed in 3 official fast speed contests have some opinions? Wouldn't a guy who faced DickStockton's, JaoroSouras's, GilHoward's, RockyMcQuire's, KevinCurran's, and a host of other A, or Open and Div 1 college players have some opinions?
You might even dink I might know a little at least level with a high school player nowadaze.
You know, like maybe I practiced tennis 5 hours a day, 6 days a week for my first 4 years. Like maybe double what the average high school poster here practices?
Don't need to count notdin to know it's a SLOW topspin serve. And if you even think it's flat... it's even slower!
Just to let you all know, that video isnt me. its someones who claims its 100mph+.
This is a little unnecessary, guys. Let the kid be.
We are not picking on the OP!
Just simple no and WHY we say no.
Every one of us have served slow and weak before we get the technique, the strength, or the will to serve fast. It's a learning experience, just like the game of tennis.
The more serves we hit, the faster and more consistent it goes.... up to a point, of course.
None of the above were PERSONAL attacks.
Most of you "100 MPH" servers are likely dreaming... **** the naysayers, Peter!
Cheers... thats me in the vid
Props to you for taking it in stride.
I said your overall technique is solid, you have good movement into the court, you turn well just before striking the ball, and the motion is solid.
I suspect it's gonna be really hard to up the service speed until your body fully grows. Not sure on this one, but seems every 13-16 year old, no matter how tall or athletic, just seems loosy goosy flailing motion without any discipline.
More practice time will take care of that problem.
well this is awkward
I wouldn't take it THAT far. Most of these guys have posted videos, but to start a thread to disprove a 14 yo kid is a little low. Is not it better to have such a fervent desire to blast a ball 100+ than to admit defeat? The discussion has been argued in several threads now... time to let this go.
Quite true. At least there are the few of us (you, myself, Slice) that care more about honing our own skills than judging (excessively) those of others.
Keep on keepin', Peter.
You do realise it is a public poll don't you? You voted no.
thanks. I will be posting some evidence about the serve being 100mph in a little while.
Please do. I'd gladly apologize if you prove that you can hit 100mph+
Haha, 5000'th post ;-)
Please do. Would love to see your service technique. Will post mine as well, modeled after the big man himself.
Consider this: overconfidence.
FYI, most male club players think they're at the 100+ mark.
All the best,
Pete, whens the video coming?
OP voted yes without measuring first. This is gonna be good. Poping some popcorn right now for this one.
Video to come. Don't be so quick to judge, please. I'm telling you this as a friend.
Got a compliment from an ex college player about my serve yesterday. Got a new hitting partner as well. Coincedence?
All the best,
tháts the court i was playing on
Nice post, very objective and logical.
Those are the kind of courts I usually play on... RoseGarden,BerkeleyCa.
North end, it's 21' from baseline to backdrop.
Yesterday was sunny and 60 degrees. Using older, but very fuzzy balls, all my first serves onebounced up around belt high. Couple up the T got mid chest heights. Flat serves with audible POP. Some wide flats out duece court (I'm lefty) hit over waist heights, and that's a longer distance.
I use dead strings on a Mfil 200 18x20 at 62 lbs.
I claim 110 or so mph.
30 odd years ago, 4 out of my 7 serves at over 128 in two of the fast serve contests.
So the BOUNCE of a flat serve does detemine SOMEWHAT the actual speed of the serve. I"m 5'11".
I can bounce hard second serves higher, but the speed is maybe 30 mph slower, possibly even slower than that.
When I show up to play, NO one offers up new balls. Always old fuzzers. I break out new DunlopHardcourtChamps with Xtra nap. Everyone has trouble with my serves.
That's NOT a testement to my ability. I'm 4.0, with worse groundies. But the serve is what we're measuring here, and I'm no computer guy, but counting frames just don't work for me.
This has nothing at all to do with the post, but this is also not true.
They may begin at the same speed, but objects accelerate as they continue to fall toward the earth. So a tennis ball hitting the ground from 10 feet is moving MUCH slower then a tennis ball that hits the ground from 2000 feet. (you'd probably die if you were hit in the head by a tennis ball that fell from 2000 feet)
Maybe you're thinking of the general observation that two objects that weight different amounts fall at the same rate (unless they are influenced by friction).
dude, im sorry, that just isn't 100mph. I think 80mph is a good estimate though.
ps-get new shorts.....now
Oh and high socks on 3/4 length trousers.....
Variety is the spice of life.
its true that the 2000ft ball would be falling faster than the 10ft ball, but not by much. and to say it would kill you? the ball is moving slower than a Roddick 1st serve after the bounce. I guess you're not familiar with the concept of terminal velocity.
my cam frame was 30 frames per second. can anyone figure out the true speed then?
are u sure? cant be
you're right, its actually 82.48
Yes, Pete. I am sure. Trust me, not 100 mph.
What? :-o I got 82.47454 mph.
Andres you rock. Good guess by me too.
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