Discussion in 'Pros' Racquets and Gear' started by leoresende2007, Jan 6, 2012.
Is Tomic Really Using Yonex Vcore 98d? And What About Wawrinka?
They are, check out the pictures and look for the string pattern and throat, it is the VCore, anybody who demoed would recognize them.
Wawrinka has a leather grip underneath the over-grip and I saw some lead on his first picture using didn't notice the lead at 3&9 anymore.
I think Tomic also has leather grip, but I didn't see any lead as of now, maybe somebody else saw something else. Tomic is cracking the ball.
they are definitely yonex frames, if you look at the shape that much is apparent. whether they are using the stock frames, i doubt. probably a modified version old a yonex mold.
You wouldn't see any lead because Yonex puts the lead in when they are making the racquets for players.
No, it's the real VCore Mold. I have hit with the VCore 98D. Very nice racquet.
They don't put lead when they're making the racquets to weigh more, they actually use different materials than lead, such as high modulus graphite, Kevlar or anything they know that can add the desirable weight where their players want, that is only when Yonex players have reached their preferred set up and no longer needs any customization.
Some players don't use any lead some do, but the racquet is the same for those who use the model, in this case Wawrinka, Juan Monaco, Go Soeda and Tomic use the same racquet but of course all of them have their preferences so it would be natural for all of them to use the same racquet with different weights, balance and so forth.
To prove you that some Yonex players use lead and Yonex not always does what you think here are some links. Bear with me, I don't know how to post pictures straight here.
From Monacos Facebook, this picture shows the lead @ 3&9 I had seen it on TV.
Maria Kirilenko's racquet with lead tape RQiS 2 Tour:
Zheng Jie's racquet- Lead @ 10 & 2, from Yonex facebook's page. I also saw this on TV.
It may also be the fact that the players don't need any lead added and not that we don't see it.
They do use the same racquets available for sale, unless a special customization like Joachim Johansson's 18x20, special for him. He also had the 16X18.
I know most of these guys that use Yonex 98 sq in, they use 28in long as well, I think most here know that.
All the women for sure use retail and modify their raquets as they please.
Have you tested 95d as well? If so what do you think about 95 vs 98
I am testing 95 and it is very very good racket.
Tomic uses Gamma hi Tec
Yonex Vcore - do they make one for men?
I hit with both the 95 and the 98. I enjoyed both, but I had a tougher time finding my serve with the 95. My volleys were quite a bit better with the 95, however. The 98 has some really useable pop with a fair bit of spin. Both had very nice feel. I'm planning to buy the 98 in the middle of this month, simply because of the serve issue.
Ho ho oooohh!! You said "do the make it for men" cause people said Yonex is for girls...ho ho ooohhh!! Thats funny....
No, I haven't. I have only hit with the 98D and 100S. I was very impressed with both frames.
I found the 98 a little bit stiff, but I am in love with the 95, so there you go...
I guess I am coming from a bio 200, so the serve isn't too different to swing, but goes faster!
I think they both are using Yonex Vcore 98d's. No paintjob.
But I feel most people ask that question because they want to start playing with what pros play with because once you get the equipment out of the picture all you have to focus on is your hard work and talents. So people decide to switch to it because they think they can become those players. All I can say is people who want pro stock items, people have played with the st. vincent, but I don't see anyone s/v'ing like sampras. People have the pro stock pt57's, but I don't see them hitting like Simon or Soderling. So, maybe we should just focus more on what you hit well with than what people are using. Pardon the digression, but people do take who is hitting with what too seriously here. If Murray sent you his personal racquets, I doubt you could hit your strokes like him. So focus on yourself, rather than the equipment.
Only Good Looking Men !
ah damn, I better tell the rep to forget it, then!
I have pt57a's but my strokes are nothing like Simon, Soderling or Murray. I do however happen to like how they play and feel. This is a tennis forum after all, so i dont see any harm in wanting to know what the pro's are using.
Damn it I am in love with 95d as well. I wanted to demo 98d from my favorite local pro shop and they only had 100 and 95.
My idea was to demo 98d matched to 95 specs to truly compare but since you stated that 98 was noticeably stiffer to you my plan would not work since I would feel that difference as well...
So looks like I am done making excused to NOT buy 95d LOL
Thanks anyhow I know that 95 is AWESOME so try it if you get bored might pull you away from your 600
Pro rhymes with Ho and players will do anything for the Benjamins
even if it f..cks up their game.
Don't believe me? Check the results of
All switched frames and have struggled since then for various reasons
Contrast that with players like Stepanek, Roddick and Moya who switched to frames that complemented their style of play, who ultimately got the better payout?
Jot Verdasco down on that list.
You don't think that their age had anything to do with their decline?
of course it did but I cannot imagine sacrificing your ranking for a $100k or so, maybe the numbers are greater but I don't think so and besides we all love to play with our favorite weapons. Maybe all these were still playing with the same stick, except for Davydenko who had to play with a racquet with big holes in it, hard to fake, the whole racquet game is just that, a racket. The players know it and we should heed it and stop paying lip service to new frames. I give credit to Granville for sticking with his 18x20 HPS 6.1 frames, nobody is paying him to switch although they should.
Chris on the other hand has had more lovers than Madonna and that's ok too, it's part of the magic of trying to raise your game, just don't kid yourself into thinking the racquet will make that occur, dream on
> Maybe all these were still playing with the same stick, except for
> Davydenko who had to play with a racquet with big holes in it, hard
> to fake
I saw the Davydenko - Djokovic match and was thinking that Davydenko was playing great - it's just that Djokovic played better.
What about Djokovic moving from Wilson to Head and Berdych moving from Dunlop to Head? I think that Head has the most variety in pro stock models - the array of known codes is dizzying.
> the whole racquet game is just that, a racket. The players know
> it and we should heed it and stop paying lip service to new
I would prefer to get a set and stick with it for a long time. In general, I could take any number of current models and modify them to something that I could be happy with but the racquet companies have to make and sell products to stay in business and generate profits. Are there improvements to frames? I don't know - I could probably just take a plain graphite hairpin that wasn't too stiff and build something that I like. But most people don't want to do that.
People enjoy trying out new stuff, let them play around with it. The presence of different things means that you have a better chance of finding what you like the best.
Given enough lead and a light enough hairpin, pretty much anyone could build an AMAZING stick totally to their spec. Just finding blank hairpins is the extremely hard part!
You mean wozniacki finished the year No. 1 with Babolat and then the following year No. 1 with Yonex. And I forgot Ivanovic won the french open with a Yonex.
Of course, it has nothing to do with the player.
Pretty any company can build any type of racquet they want. I know you're a HEAD fan, but they have less options than what you think, they have the PT57A, PT57E, TGK 98, TGK 100 (for Extremes??), PT 10, TGK mid and then they change the lay-up and drill pattern. I know this is a HEAD and Wilson Forum domination and I'm going to get crucified for, but these molds have not changed in 20 years almost for their players.
> PT57A, PT57E, TGK 98, TGK 100 (for Extremes??), PT 10, TGK mid and
> then they change the lay-up and drill pattern
There are far more tgk numbers out there than you've listed. Perhaps companies can build anything for anyone but Head seems to have this fairly large array of frames where a pro could just pick one out (from Head or another Head-sponsored player) and try it out.
Did you forget Djokovic who struggle for almost a year with his racquet?
Put down Mischa Zverev as well he used to play with Yonex RDiS 100 switched to HEAD and disappeared completely.
As for Ivanovic and Wozniacki either one have achieved as much or more with their current sticks.
Yes, Davydenko, Ljubicic, Djokovic (for a year), Sam Querrey, Wawrinka, Goerges and other had/are having problems with new racquets, it's the way it is, sometimes some will have problem some won't.
Do they use the retail racket?
I think they do and to all curious Wawrinka is using 95d and Tomic 98D
I can't believe a pro getting big money from a racket company uses a retail racket. They are built to each players specs. It's what they do for a living and they want their sticks perfect. Of course, a lesser ranked player may not have that luxury.
Verdasco won an ATP500 tournament (Memphis) the first week he switched to a Yonex, then it seemed like a few weeks later Dunlop picked him up for more money.
Good point. I was just looking at the big picture. After leaving Tecnifibre (officially) it seems he hasn't experienced the form we saw at Oz in 09.
On the site, they have them both using 98. Is that false?
Does Yonex make pro stock rackets or does it just customise production models for its pros? You dont see people selling pro stock Yonexes on the various websites that deal in pro stock rackets -- or have I just missed them? Do all manufacturers do pro stock rackets? Babolat has always said that its pros play with standard rackets albeit they may be (i) customised for weight and (ii) pj'd to look like current models if the player uses an out of date model.
Like other brands, Yonex does have pro stock racquets. I used to have one of Hewitt pro stock racquets and it plays totally different from the retail one. It weights more than 350g unstrung, plays very soft, and vibrates really bad on off-center like old graphite racquets. When hitting properly, ball speed is really amazing.
For V-Core 98D, they have pro stock version too. I played it once last month. It is super stiff even with gut/poly string. I think Yonex has it in varieties of stiffnesses available for pros.
Or maybe it was an old graphite racquet, since he used the SRD Tour 90 for quite a while until maybe the RQiS?
> It weights more than 350g unstrung, plays very soft, and
> vibrates really bad on off-center like old graphite racquets.
Sounds really great. I can usually fix the off-center vibrations with lead-tape at 3/9. I wish that you could buy such frames at retail.
Seems to me without doing a scientific survey that Dunlop has had the most problems with guys being paid to move to them and then having them drop in the rankings or be unhappy with their rackets. Their stock rackets seem as good as anyone else's stock rackets, though. What's up with that? If I were a pro, I'd be leery of switching to Dunlop because they might not be able to match my previous racket well.
Does anyone know whe to look for pro stock Yonexes? A trad feeling 95 Yonex is ideal for my game.
The reason why Hewitt's racquet played different from MP Tour mid 1 (great racquet by the way) was because He used the SRD Tour 90 with paint job, SRD Tour 90 was not a racquet only made for Hewitt it was a retail racquet, only after the new successor models came out He still used that same one that we could no longer buy it and He used it, until RQiS 1 Tour but then He went back to SRD tour 90 again, and only changed for sure to RDiS 100. Krajicek used one version of the SRD Tour I think but with 18x20, if anybody could post pics of Richard using the SRD tour would be great.
350g unstrung spec for that racquet is right on the target fro that racquet, if you got L, the racquets could be even heavier than that. I played with that racquet for a long time, great racquet, I didn't notice the vibrations you said, but to each his own.
Of course Yonex gives them what they want, but VCore 98D is the racquet they use. As far as the retail it may feel stiff depending on the strings.
If you don't mind, who was the VCore 98D's owner and how different it was from retail? The mold is the same for all players using, but the specs are probably different, every player has different demands.
Go on the bay and look for Super RD Tour 90. That was Hewitt's racquet. It did vibrate more than my Prestige Classic 600.
I'm not a fan of shopping on the bay.
BTW, are you still thinking about buying the IG Prestige? How do you think it compares to the iPrestige? There's a bunch of Pro Stock IG Prestiges at 376 grams for sale that I was considering if there are sufficient improvements over the YT.
They both use 98D until proven otherwise
Verdasco won San Jose not Memphis. He actually hit a his biggest serve ever 152 mph. I bought my RDiS 200 before even demoing, great racquets. Yonex not being chosen by Verdasco may have actually been a good thing for Yonex, look where He is now, I don't think He could ever stay in the top 10 for that long, I guess his spell is over.
There is no Yonex Pro Stock. The only differences are that the racquets are made for the players demands, for instance if you wanted a Vcore 98D with 360g unstrung, they would make it for you, but it would be a 98D. The difference in playability is because of extra weight, different length.
I don't understand this buzz suddenly just because Yonex hired Tomic and Wawrinka. They always made great racquets, independently of who played with their racquets, suddenly many want to buy VCore here...ludicrous !!!
Look at the URD ti 80, is the same from some years ago, or look for some old R series if you want something old. No doubt the modern racquets are easier to play, more user friendly.
Wawrinka is using 95D ill post photo later
You are mistaken on ALL accounts Verdaco lost in SAn Jose to Raonic and Wawrinka is using 95d no matter what lies yonex is telling you
Oh and almost forgot
Yonex does have pro stock frames...just ask PimPim
I am getting a IG Prestige Mid and IG Prestige MP to test out. When they arrive and get spec'd out I will do a full review of the sticks.
The reference to the San Jose win was '10 final vs Roddick, which was when Verdasco briefly switched to the Yonex stick. By '11 San Jose vs Raonic, 'Dasco was back to the Dunlop he's using now.
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