Isner-Mahut 1st Round at Wimbledon AGAIN. WTF is this ish?

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  1. Tony48

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    No seriously. Every doubt I had about draws being rigged at slams have now vanished.

    ESPN.com has doing a Isner-Mahut rewind special for the last couple of days (part 1). Now I see why. It was the prelude to the actual match. :rolleyes:

    And watch them go 5 sets, too.
     
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  2. zagor

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    Hopefully they break a 200 games mark this time around.
     
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  3. 1970CRBase

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    I never needed convincing.
     
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  4. christos_liaskos

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    This is absolutely epic! What must be going through these two guys minds!?!?!? (Just checked Isner's twitter but he hasn't posted anything yet)
     
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  5. Telepatic

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    Gotta love fixed draws, I don't know for what I laughed more, this or non Fedal semi for billion-th time.
     
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  6. 1970CRBase

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    Fixed is fixed, grrr. If it is Fed/Nad final again, I'm not watching in protest.
     
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  7. dirtballer

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    Why aren't the draws done in public? That would eliminate the speculation about fixes.
     
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  8. MAXXply

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    Can the math and statistical whizzes explain the odds that these two players have met again ?
     
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    Wonder if it'll be on the same court as last year.

    They should both just announce they're withdrawing from the second round regardless of the outcome.
     
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    I can give other tournaments the benefit of the doubt but never Wimbledon. I've long thought they tweak the draws to get the match-ups they want. But even this is too egregious for them. I hope it turns out to be an anti climatic straight sets win with multiple breaks of serve and no tie-breaks. That'd serve them right.
     
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  11. cc0509

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    Because tennis is a business and all businesses(the smart ones that want to stay in business that is) have one thing in mind, to make money.

    Of course they want to have control over the draws. Certain match ups are like gold for the tournaments and the ATP/WTA.
     
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  12. rag

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    Are they really rigged?

    You would think they'd do Murray a favour if it was to get all the other top seeds tricky matches earlier.
     
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    I've always thought the draws were rigged. The same people always ending up on the same side, on certain surfaces. No way!
     
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    Not really. People want to see Nadal/Federer in the finals over Murray and anybody else.
     
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  15. MAXXply

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    I hope umpire "Thirteee-FiffTEENAAHH Lahyani will be calling it again too!
     
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  16. batz

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    Which people? I'm pretty sure the UK would rather see Murray v anybody than a Fedal final.

    For the record - the draw is done in public. Anybody who thinks draws are rigged needs to take their tinfoil hat off.
     
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    When I was following 'As it happened' on the wimbledon site this came in :
    10:02: Murray in Djokovic's half of the draw, Roger and Rafa together Andy Murray is in the bottom half of the draw so gets a potential semi-final against Novak Djokovic. Roger Federer is in the top half - the Rafa Nadal half!

    now it's :
    10:02: Murray in Nadal's half of the draw, Roger and Nole together Andy Murray is in the top half of the draw so gets a potential semi-final against Rafael Nadal. Roger Federer is in the bottom half - the Novak Djokovic half! A repeat of the French Open, in fact.

    did i miss something ?
    These are direct quotes so i didn't misread or something like that
     
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  18. Bud

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    They later changed it... rigged draw?? :shock:
     
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  19. Telepatic

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    Oh please batz, don't be so naive, "the draw is done in public", like they don't have their own ways to fix it.

    Of course they would rather get tons of money from Fedal final then their man get to yet another final and lose in straights.

    I mean it's laughable, Nole in Fed's half in what, last 13 of last 15 times in grand slams, really?? (and oh how surprising, that 2 times Nole was in Rafa's half was both times FO)

    Isner/Mahut r1?? Really??

    Come on, I'm not an idiot. :roll:
     
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  20. Pidgeon

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    yes ...could be 'As it happened' was wrong or something but that was certainly on there...
    I emailed it to a friend of mine just as it was out so i'm sure i didn't see it wrong
     
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    Not so sure about the UK wanting to see Murray in the final vs Nadal/Federer. The people in the UK probably think Murray will tank as usual.:oops:

    In any case, worldwide people want to see Nadal/Federer final no question.

    Re whether the draws are rigged or not, everybody has a right to draw their own conclusions.
     
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    Can you explain to me how the AELTC gets more money from a Fedal final than any other final when all the TV and Internet contracts are already in place? Once you've demonstrated how much more revenue a Fedal final generates for AELTC (the answer is zero incidentally), you can then explain why an organisation that is patently not primarily driven by revenue (as evidenced by their refusal to allow advertising and the additional millions that would bring) suddenly compromises its integrity to frig a draw?
     
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  23. batz

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    Oh come on mate. You really think Britons want to see a show they've seen 3 times before rather than something they haven't seen in 75 years? You think Murray gets 20 times the media coverage in the UK during Wimbledon than Fedal because he is unpopular?
     
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    Yep Nadal/Federer and Venus/Serena finals is what the tournament wants because they are still the biggest draws.
     
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  25. 1970CRBase

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    And has the right to speak out when they feel their intelligence is being insulted.
     
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  26. Pidgeon

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    True and as far as : tv contracts are already sold etc

    When ratings go up -> more viewers -> more munehz !

    Draw IS rigged !
     
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    Wonder if Moho will umpire.
     
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    Maybe I can help here. What part of 'All the tickets are sold, all the TV and internet contracts are let - the AELTC gets the same revenue no matter who is in the final' are you struggling with?
     
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  29. batz

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    For TV companies perhaps - but not for the AELTC - their money is in the bag. So why would the AELTC compromise their integrity to rig a draw?
     
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  30. Pidgeon

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    First round matches not many people would want to see Isner or Mahut but Isner VS Mahut will be something everyone will want to watch...
    catch my drift ?

    and the tv and internet contracts, see posts above
     
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  31. Pidgeon

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    Yea right, they get their piece !
    + they want to make their tournament as spectacular as they can...
    selling footage, pictures, ...
     
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  32. batz

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    No - I don't catch your drift. I'll ask again - why would the AELTC compromise its integrity to frig a draw when there is nothing in it for them? Why does Andy Murray have far and away the hardest draw of the top 4 if the AELTC are frigging it?
     
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    Errmm OK another mistake coming through from the live feed now...
    It originally said Djok v Bags first round, just taken a look at the draw though and Djok has Chardy and Bags v Blake, Djok v Bags is a possible third round clash. This could have easily been a genuine mistake I suppose by whoever was typing the livefeed
     
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  34. batz

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    Why do I feel like I'm going round in circles....

    Let me get this straight - the AELTC, which refuses to compromise on its position of no advertising at Wimbledon despite the tens of millions in revenue that would be generated, compromises on its integrity and frigs draws to get additional revenue? Is that really what you're arguing?
     
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    Nevermind, don't want to have internet wars here.
    Just saying imo it's pretty obvious it's rigged.
    Why else would the site display :
    10:02: Murray in Djokovic's half of the draw, Roger and Rafa together Andy Murray is in the bottom half of the draw so gets a potential semi-final against Novak Djokovic. Roger Federer is in the top half - the Rafa Nadal half!

    untill 10:08, that's when i sent this quote to my friend (whois also a poster on this forum)

    and change it to :
    10:02: Murray in Nadal's half of the draw, Roger and Nole together Andy Murray is in the top half of the draw so gets a potential semi-final against Rafael Nadal. Roger Federer is in the bottom half - the Novak Djokovic half! A repeat of the French Open, in fact.

    not making this up dude
     
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  36. Pidgeon

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    like i said; could be ...
    but mistaking andy murray for roger federer is more than a typo ...

    anyway, everyone is entitled to their own opinion ! :)
     
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  37. batz

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    Because the guy who was typing the words on the blog made a mistake? None of the guys who were actually at the draw e.g. Neil Harman - Times tennis correspondent - tweeted that it was a Fedal semi. The only report of it came from the Wimby blog.

    The guy who writes the Wimby blog made a mistake is a thousand times more likely an explanation than 'The AELTC frigged the draw to make a Fedal final bur first they announced it as a Fedal semi'.
     
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  38. Ralph

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    I did see this too, in person. Also, there was no text on the site to say, "Sorry, mistake made there." I followed it live.

    I didn't however start listening to the draw on Radio Wimbledon on line until around 10.05, by which time the very initial seeds had been cast. Did anyone else hear this in person? Were they broadcasting live for someone to hear that Roger and Ralph were in the same half initially? Was it a genuine mistake on the site?
     
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  39. chrischris

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    What a fraud ?
     
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  40. Pidgeon

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    not only was the blog at fault but also the draw itself when i clicked on it but don't have a screenshot of it ...
     
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    Blatantly fixed, not that I'm complaining...

    In fact, I'd place my money on them playing on the exact same court too.
     
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  42. Pidgeon

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    madness ! :)
     
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    Bollocks. The draw wasn't even up on the site when I got home from work - and that was at 1200. The full draw only went up about 45 minutes ago. Draws never appear in realtime.
     
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    So, I thought Wimbledon drew names out of a hat or something with players present like the other slams?

    What happens at Wimbledon? They make it behind a closed door and then just post it outside or what? How does Wimbledon make their draw?
     
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    I'm fairly sure it's a public draw.

    People just love their conspiracy theories. Weird coincidences can just be weird coincidences.
     
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    LOL that too! It amazes me that some people think that virtually the same draws would come up randomly over and over again. It is like watching the movie Groundhog Day!
     
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    Same as any other slam - in public, with lots of people present.

    Feck it - I give in. Yep - the draw was frigged. I know it's frigged because Elvis told me so - he was riding Shergar at the time - apparently him and Lord Lucan are shacked up together over at the retirement home for Illuminati members down in Atlantis - he said it's much nicer than the old places they had in Shangri-La and Brigadoon.
     
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  49. batz

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    It amazes me how people have such little understanding about the basics of probability that they feel the need to don tinfoil hats.

    Incidentally the probability of Isner drawing Mahut was the same as the probability of him drawing any other named player: 1 in 127.
     
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    Just basic admin/communication errors. Chinese whispers etc.
    If people make mistakes does that mean there's a fraud especially when Batz clearly explained why there is absolutely no motivation to do so.
    If they wanted to fix things then there's far more motivation to give Murray an easy draw which obviously hasn't happened.
    Far more money and political kudos to have a British Wimbledon champion than another Fed/Nad final.
    The world does not entirely revolve around Fed and Nadal.
     
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