ITA Kickoff, Heading to Stanford to check out the action

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  1. norcaltennisnut

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    Looking forward to watching some matches today at Stanford. I will give my thoughts about the day later. :)
     
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    Match today has been pushed back to 12 pm Pacific time due to Wet courts, must have been the fog. and Women's matches start at 3 pm Pacific time.
    GO CARDINAL.
     
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    clayton/kelly look shaky
     
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    Yea...I think the home team's got this one.
     
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    Clayton is making this too easy.
     
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  7. Fedace

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    What's with Clayton ? Must had a bad day. I am sure he will come back on Saturday with a vengence.

    No. 8 Stanford 4, No. 54 Santa Clara 0

    DOUBLES
    1) No. 16 Klahn/Thacher (STAN) d. Dandan/Nicholas Vinel (SC) 8-2
    2) Armengaud/Lamble (SC) led Clayton/Ted Kelly (STAN) 6-4, aban.
    3) Kandath/Lin (STAN) d. Muchynski/Pham (SC) 8-3
    Order of Finish: 1, 3, 2

    SINGLES
    1) No. 16 Bradley Klahn (STAN) d. Kyle Dandan (SC) 6-4, 6-4
    2) No. 41 Ryan Thacher (STAN) d. Maxime Armengaud (SC) 6-2, 6-2
    3) John Lamble (SC) led No. 61 Alex Clayton (STAN) 6-3, 4-5, aban.
    4) Denis Lin (STAN) led Tom Pham (SC) 7-6 (5), 4-5, aban.
    5) Greg Hirshman (STAN) d. Eugene Muchynski (SC) 6-2, 6-2
    6) Kyohhei Kamono (SC) led Matt Kandath (STAN) 2-6, 6-3, 2-1, aban.
    Order of Finish: 2, 5, 1
     
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    Max Armengaud played at Indiana before transferring, great guy.
     
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  9. norcaltennisnut

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    Had a good day of tennis at the Taube. Nebraska and Vandy played a close match but Nebraska was a little stonger in singles. I watched mostly the Stanford match. I must say I was dissapointed with the effort from Clayton, Lin and Kandath. I don't see this team as a top 15 team right now. Santa Clara played them surprisingly tough without there usual #4 in the lineup due to injury. Klahn was very solid and Thacher dominated, as did Hirshman. I would not of been surprised if they played the match out if the final score was a 5-2 or even a 4-3. That is not a good result against a team in the mid 50's missing a starter in the singles lineup. I would hope for a better level of play tomorrow.:???:
     
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    yeah, disappointing after their solid performance against Sac St. earlier this week. As I predicted Kandath is the weak link of the team. It's a shame because I like his game and when he's on he's really good, but he just can't play two sets without losing focus at some point. Lin also has the game but not so much the mental to keep it going until the end of the match.
     
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    I know this won't be a popular question, but what do you Cardinal fans think about the possibility of Clayton playing at #4?

    I know it's probably a bit early to make a move like that, but he did drop a match to UCLA's #7 at Sherwood, and was struggling against Santa Clara's #3. If he doesn't rediscover his game in February, do you think they could slide him down a spot, or would that completely wreck the lineup?
     
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    Who will play #3 ?? Denis Lin ? Matt Kandath ? Not a realistic option there. Anyway, Alex will play better. He was too tired from his classes and wasn't 100%. He will get his energy back
     
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    Is there a problem with the tactical play of some of the players on this team? I saw Lin yesterday coming to the net over and over after hitting a weak and short ball, and getting passed every time! Clearly if you decide to come to the net after a weak shot and not even allowing yourself to close the net properly, what do you expect? This seems to be something the coach should have his guys work on in practice to make sure they don't lose easy points like what I saw yesterday.
     
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    This would be a disgrace, you know it.

    Going from one of the hottest new recruits in college, playing number 1 for nearly two years, then 2, then 3, and now 4?
     
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    Slight correction. Clayton lost to USC's no. 7 and UCLA's no. 9 (UCLA's no. 7 for that tournament because UCLA's no. 7 and 8 were in another tournament called the National collegiate tennis classic)

    But yes, I agree with you, Clayton should play lower in the lineup based on his recent play.
     
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  16. SoCal10s

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    that's the part of college tennis I don't like ..it's actually the coach's fault ..college coaches always tell their players to be aggressive and take the net,it's old school tennis.. Dennis is not really a serve and volley kind of player,his groundstrokes are so solid but when he comes up to net he has those semi weak volleys and tends to hit a lot of volley below the net ,thus getting passed easy.. but the guy he played from SC .. is known to have great passing shots so it must have looked pretty ugly for Dlin

    a lot of college players go though this kind of stuff ,they can't handle the college life and tennis and social changes so their game drops .. another Stanford great did the same but found his way later to a pro career after college.. "Gene Mayer".. came in as the next #1 then played his way to the bottom of the line-up (injuries ect) later..
     
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    Good coaches do not teach their players to come in on weak opportunities in the modern game. Good coaches also observe matches and make corrections during the match when something is not working.

    Of course, I am talking about GOOD coaches, not every coach.
     
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    That would seem like the normal thing to do... So much potential wasted!

    Are you saying Whit is not a good coach?
     
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    I am headed back to Taube to watch todays matches, although my wife is not thrilled with this decision. It will be interesting to see how Stanford plays against Nebraska. Nebraska is a lot better than Santa Clara so this will give us an indication where things are at. Clayton and Kandath are the weak links in the lineup. The problem is there is no one to replace them. I think the lack of recruiting in last years class is going to hurt them. You cant lose Wire and have Clayton and Kandath struggle, and bring in Ho and Ball that will most likely never see meaningful matches in their career. The people that think Ball is the solution in singles are not up on his level. Walker is a better player, so at his time Ball is #8 on the depth chart. In my opinion, I think that is about right. It will be interesting to see the team respond today. Also, I am interested to see how Santa Clara does against Vandy. I really like the way the team gets after it on the court. I love all of this Nor Cal Tennis.
     
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  20. SoCal10s

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    maybe Whit is too 'old school' but DLin is the new school tennis mold.. whit was an attack take the net kind of player .. he maybe needs to really look at the top pros and how they win nowadays,they do it from the baseline .. taking the net is still not a bad thing to do but you better put those volleys away.. giving too many chances to get passed is disastrous.
     
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    Stanford should breeze thru their matches today. They should be well rested for the weekend match.
     
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  22. SoCal10s

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    am I missing something ? today(saturday)is a weekend .. which weekend match are you talking about ?
     
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    I meant last night. They were really tired yesterday due to class work during the week. Should be ready to go today.
     
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    OK,you're making me laugh again.. "you're the man'..
     
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    The big question for Stanford now: Can Klahn and Thacher win their singles matches fast enough to avoid the embarrassment of giving up 3 points at positions 3, 5, and 6? If they hurry up an win, the unfinished matches can be abandoned before Clayton, Lin, and Kandath lose.
     
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    I am watching Kandath doing the same stuff as Lin yesterday and being destroyed.... this is painful to watch. These guys rush to the net after one or two shots hoping to have an easy volley or scare their opponent, but clearly it doesn't work. They get passed 9 times out of 10.

    Whit, you got to go back to your books and teach these guys how to play and cut down unforced errors and stop the weak net rushing!
     
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    The way they are playing now, Layton should move to 4, Lin to 6 and whoever at 3...
     
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    Hirshman? Move him to 3? That's a big jump for him, but he's been solid at 5.
     
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    This Aumuelle guy is a pretty good player. He has a bog 1st serve, and a high % of serves in.
     
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    go watch DLin again ,his groundstrokes are so powerful .. no?
     
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    Alex playing better suddenly.
     
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    Is the scoreboard stuck, or is it a rain delay? Frozen scores on my screen, even after a forced refresh.
     
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    Scoreboard stuck. I think it's 4-1 Stanford, but I could be wrong.
     
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    I think it's 5-1 actually if Stanford won the doubles.
     
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    you said it, hard to believe the amount of unforced errors.:?
     
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  36. norcaltennisnut

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    Just got back from Stanford and all I have to say is at this point there is no way Stanford is a top 10 team. If they play a good team Klahn and Thacher have to win everytime to keep them in the match. Clayton, Lin and Kandath cannot continue their sloppy play and expect to compete with the elite teams in the country. I would say at this point they are a top 20 team. After the Stanford match I walked across the street to finish up the Santa Clara match. Vanderbilt eeked out a 4-3 match. I will say this, if Vanderbilt is #38 in the country then Santa Clara should be ranked higher. Santa Clara plays very hard. I am looking forward to catch up on how Cal did. Have a great weekend everyone. :)
     
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    Clayton and Lin to put in some extra work during next few weeks to get their games back.
     
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