It's obvious how to beat Nadal

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  1. RalphNYC

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    Pros would do well to watch the 2008 Masters Series Rome match where Nadal was handily beaten by Ferraro 5-7, 1-6.

    Nadal wasn't playing badly, he was beat. And he was in the midst of perhaps one of the greatest tennis seasons of all time
    (had just won Monte Carlo and Barcelona then won consecutively in Hamburg, Roland Garros, Queens, Wimbledon, Rogers Cup, then semi'd in Cinci, won the Olympics, then semi'd at the US Open)

    How did Ferrero do it?

    Simple:

    1. Keep the ball in play - many of the rallies go more than 10 hits, Nadal always goes the distance on every ball. You must be prepared to hit many balls with him on many points. Few can do this without errors building up.
    2. Have no weak side. Ferrero hits his FH and BH as hard as he can on every shot, throwing his whole body weight into it and generating winners off either wing even when off balance. Nadal is the master of breaking down your weakness. Easy solution: have no weakness.
    3. In addition to your FH weapon, have a rock solid BH that you can defend from behind the baseline and hit winners or winner setups from in front of the baseline. Be able to hit some winners with the BH from behind the baseline while on the run and way off the court.
    4. Hit hard, deep and/or extreme angle shots - always. Ferrero hit deep hard angles mixed up with deep fast down-the-lines, he eventually pulled Nadal off the court on many points and set up for winners and errors.
    5. Have a rock solid serve and get a lot of easy points on serve.
    6. Return from deep behind the baseline and get it back deep with topspin.
    7. Leave no short balls in the middle of the court for Nadal to devour, ever.
    8. Move inside the baseline at every opportunity, not necessarily all the way to net, but make sure to viciously attack any shorter ball.
    9. Don't be afraid when serving on break point. Ferrero saved 5 of 5 in the match.
    10. Run like Achilles on every ball for hours on end.
     
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  2. RalphNYC

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    Oh wait, this sounds like how Nadal beats every player on tour week in and week out!
     
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    Nadal had sore feet then. There is no way to beat Nadal on clay.
     
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  4. Breaker

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    Really that's not simple at all, it takes a lot to be able to keep all of that up for a full match, especially 3 out of 5.

    All of those attributes you mentioned are why Ferrero got to number 1 in the world and won a Roland Garros title himself, not many players have the ability to perform at that level on a consistent basis.

    *waits for first "nadal was injured" comment...
     
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  5. Leonidas

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    lmao thats one the funniest threads ive read. its like saying: its easy to beat Nadal. Hit every single ball on the line, every serve at 140 mph and run fastest than usain bolt. are u taking the ****?
     
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  6. Satch

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    nadal was injured :p
     
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  7. svijk

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    Wow, are u serious man!!
    You make it sound simple and obvious and then come up with 10 points....most of which are hard to execute (thats the keyword).

    Looks like you enjoyed the match last night on TC and let the excitement get to you...your thread is just a knee jerk reaction.
     
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  8. Serve_Ace

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    Simon did it in Madrid SF 08
     
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  9. NLBwell

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    Also sounds a lot like Ferrer at the US Open in 2007. It is just going to be extremely rare that someone can do that.
     
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  10. tudwell

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    How to beat Nadal: Be better than him.

    It's so simple!
     
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  11. nadalfan!

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    Actually, the easiest way to beat Nadal is what Tsonga did at the 2008 AO. Keep the rallies short and try to run to the net as much as possible. There's no way to out do Nadal at the baseline.
     
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  12. Mungo73

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    haha Nadal was injured thats why Ferrero won

    we know it, you know it and ferrero knows it

    ridiculous thread
     
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  13. Serve_Ace

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    That's just an excuse
     
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  14. Nadal_Freak

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    Nadal never looked so injured. He was tanking. All his shots looked like they were deliberately weak to let Ferrero finish the point. Nadal decided he couldn't play 4 weeks straight. He had to tank somewhere or withdraw.
     
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  15. RalphNYC

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    He had the best season of his life, he wasn't injured badly - and if he was, it didn't stop him for doing what I quoted he did. I don't get why people here don't take the slight tounge-and-cheek tone of my original post. It should be obvious, but isn't, that one hand I'm serious about what it takes to beat him, but on the other hand I'm saying its nearly impossible. Let's not get into how Nadal was feeling. Watch the match, and you'll see how to beat Nadal. It ain't easy!
     
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  16. Serve_Ace

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    They're just making up excuses, Simon beat Nadal in Madrid 08 so yeah, it's not impossible.
     
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  17. Nadal_Freak

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    That was on a fast surface. Big difference between that and clay.
     
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  18. Serve_Ace

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    oh yeah, lol my fault my fault i didn't read the whole post
     
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  19. Mungo73

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    nah its an excuse to say he wasnt injured

    huge foot blister. he couldnt move

    it was his third straight week playing. atp screwed clay season

    ferrero would get destroyed by a healthy nadal

    we know it, you know it and ferrero knows it
     
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  20. The Don

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    easier said then done :D
     
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  21. roundiesee

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    LOL! Do you realise what you just listed is almost impossible to do with any degree of consistency in a best of 5-set match at the FO? Of course, there's no harm in trying........ :)
     
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  22. Morrissey

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    Um, you DO realize that Nadal blew out a golf ball sized blister during that match right? He didn't quit to give JCF the proper victory. That could be the main reason Nadal lost.
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  23. tomas9848

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    YEah good luck with someone beating him.
     
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    Wow, if anyone saw this list I think they would give up before even stepping foot on court. :shock:
     
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    Best way to beat Nadal: Stuff up his drink bottles =D.
     
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  26. BorisBeckerFan

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    The plan is simple. Excecuting the plan is not.
     
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  27. hotseat

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    wow, very insightful. i'll have to remember that plan and how easy of a solution that is next time some part in my game is being broken down! thanks so much for the help!!

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    And make sure he has a big hole in his foot :roll:
     
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    :lol::lol:
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  30. BorisBeckerFan

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    Man, I just re-read your list and Butters is right. I would just head back to the locker room. Fortunately Nadal is beatable. It's just not likely. I've said this on other posts and I'll say it again, Nadal is deserving of all the praise he's getting but some people act like he's on a 50 match win streak. He's had his share of losses over the last 6 months.
     
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  31. OliverSimon

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    its not that easy man..basically you sumed up for a playing being perfect.. a player can't play a match with zero unforced errors!!
     
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  32. OliverSimon

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    you couldn't put it better
     
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  33. Mansewerz

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    Nadal is overflowing with confidence right now. I still believe that a good attacking player, like a serve and volleyer, or a non-choking Nalbandian, would give Nadal fits.

    Unfortunately, these kind of players are hard to come by these days. Patience also helps.
     
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  34. NotSoSuper

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    Lets see you do it then.
     
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  35. Sentinel

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    Nadal was blistered, right. Only way to beat him if he's injured.
     
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  36. miniRafa386

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    so basically tree out of your mind? yea....thats how you beat every player
     
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  37. Okazaki Fragment

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    I hear he's weak against bee stings.
     
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  38. Ballinbob

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    I agree. I would really like to see how Lopez or Stepanek at their best would do against Nadal. Both are really good volleyers and I think on fast courts could really do some damage. I really don't think staying at the baseline is going to do you much good against Nadal, yet for some reason players don't try new things. Tsonga,Nalbandian, and a red hot Gulbis are the only 3 players that I can see doing anything from the baseline b/c they both hit hard and flat, something you don't really see nowadays...

    I think an attacking player like those above can beat Nadal on the faster surfaces as long as they're playing well.

    On Clay is a whole different story...
     
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  39. Nadal_Freak

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    http://www.atpworldtour.com/tennis/...d/default.asp?playernum1=N409&playernum2=L397
     
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  40. adidas_viking

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    Just kick his damn bottles over..

    Pretty simple really.. He wouldn't be able to get over that in a hurry!

    It just amazes me, that no one has done that to him yet?

    Or have they?
     
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    No one wants to get kicked out or even worse things could happen from such an aggressive display. Unless you are joking. Then I guess I don't have much humor for these displays. Sorry.
     
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    I don't think you have much of anything...

    Anyway, if I was playing him. Then you know at the start when he sits there for 30 minutes getting ready, and the umpire and opponant are standing there waiting for him to get ready. I would whisper in the umpires ear that I will kick them there bottles over at the change..

    You know what I think the umpire would say to me?

    Give you $10 bucks if you do!!:lol:
     
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  43. Ballinbob

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    Yeah good post you proved me wrong. I was just throwing it out there.

    But doesn't it make sense to attack the net vs Nadal? Because it's obvious that playing at the baseline won't work. Or maybe I'm just stupid idk lol

    I'm just trying to make sense out of this to myself. But is it a good idea to go to the net against Nadal if you had good volleys (Rafter like)? I'll admit I don't follow pro tennis too much but I'm an avid player and I want to know what you guys think of rushing the net against Nadal
     
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    He's a dangerous passer. Also, if you want to volley against him you better get close to the net b/c his balls dip - all three of them when he hits a passing shot - ok bad joke.
     
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    Nadal was obviously suffering that day in Rome

    Yeah I understand that the original post was supposed to be somewhat light hearted and sarcastic, but Nadal was clearly nowhere near 100% last year in Rome. It was the rare occasion that Nadal was obviously worn out. He had played a lot of matches in the past couple of months, including back-to-back title runs in Monte Carlo and Barcelona the previous two weeks. Ferrero was on his game that day, but Nadal was suffering from major blister problems and was not moving well. Though Ferrero beat Nadal in Cincinnati in '06, their other six meetings were all won comfortably by Nadal in straight sets.
     
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    these are all true pointers on how to beat Nadal......basically just like how Gilles Simon did when he beat Nadal last year.......going to Ferrero match with all due respect Nadal got a a severe case of blisters which affected his movement....
     
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  47. adidas_viking

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    Or you could just slice everything on both sides..

    Connors would have given Nadal a whole lot of trouble..
     
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    Yeah, it's obvious.

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    Your point is right. But think over it.
    If you can play like that you can beat anyone, not only Nadal.
     
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    Nadal has improved,so regardless of whether he was injured or not,what worked a year ago or even months ago, won't work now.

    Playing Nadal is getting harder, says Murray

    24 march 09

    ANDY Murray has high hopes for the Miami Masters but thinks his conqueror in Indian Wells, Rafael Nadal, is getting increasingly difficult to play against.
    The world No 4 comes into this week's event in Florida in fine form, having defeated Roger Federer on the way to the final of the BNP Paribas Open in California despite claiming he viewed it simply as a warm-up for Miami following the virus which forced him out of Britain's Davis Cup tie against Ukraine.

    But he came unstuck 6-1, 6-2 in the final against a rampant Nadal to end a two-match winning sequence against the Spaniard, who picked up his 13th Masters title.

    And Murray thinks the world No 1 is still improving, posing a greater obstacle than ever to his title aspirations.

    "When I played him in the past, he's always been incredibly tough, but the thing I felt when I played him was you have a chance to play,"
    said the Scot.

    "He moves around so well and he has improved his game by using more slice, coming to the net better, and his backhand is better. He's doing everything better."

    Despite the defeat, Murray's appearance in the final represents another achievement in what has been a successful 2009 so far, with victories in the Qatar and Rotterdam Opens already to his name.

    Beyond Miami, another major target for the 22-year-old is the Aegon Championships at London's Queen's Club in June where he will attempt to win his first title on grass to give himself the perfect preparation for Wimbledon.

    "Grass is a good surface for me and obviously it would mean a lot to me to win a tournament at home," said Murray, announcing his participation on the official Aegon Championships website.

    "All the guys that have played well at Queen's tend to have gone on to do well at Wimbledon so it's a good marker to see where your game is at.

    "The tournament has got an unbelievable history and all the guys use it as pretty much the perfect preparation for Wimbledon. I think this year I've got a good chance of doing well."

    Murray made his debut at the event four years ago, marking his appearance with victories over Santiago Ventura and Taylor Dent in only the second and third ATP matches of his career. He then pushed former Australian Open champion Thomas Johansson all the way before losing 7-6 (7-1), 6-7 (5-7), 7-5.

    "I really enjoy playing on grass – it's a different sort of challenge to the rest of the year. We play so much on hard courts and clay that it's nice to have a change of scenery on the tennis court," added Murray.

    Last year, Murray was forced to withdraw ahead of his quarter-final clash with Andy Roddick because of a thumb injury, but he credits his performances in earlier rounds as the launchpad for a run of form which took him to the Wimbledon quarter-finals, the ATP 1000 title in Cincinnati, and the US Open final in September.

    "It was actually pretty much from Queen's onwards that I started to play really well (last year)," said Murray.



     
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