It's starting!!! Junior parents please read! 10 and under tennis

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  1. barringer97

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    http://robertlansdorp.wordpress.com/2013/11/16/10-under-tennis/

    10 & Under Tennis
    Yes….. It is starting to happen. I don’t know about other places in the US yet, but Michael Jessup from Northern Calif. is starting a circuit for 10 and under, WITH REGULAR BALLS on REGULAR COURTS. Great, I suggested that Pro’s should run their own tournaments for the 10 and under many times. Those little ones need competition, NOT a USTA ranking. He promised that his tournaments will be run different than the USTA ones, where the supervision is far better than the USTA does it. He will have ONE umpire for every TWO courts, with strict rules of behavior for players, parents and coaches, and not the way the USTA runs their tournaments as a free for all. I have complained to Mc Enroe many, many times and never got a reply. May be he still believes that the way his brother behaved was great. He will have price money towards lessons or anything the kid needs. I am donating money for Michael’s efforts. I think it is great what he is doing, and hopefully we can get many more Pro’s in the US to do the same. As long as they are not afraid of the USTA’s repercussions. I am so happy and hope to receive a lot of e-mails from Pro’s doing the same thing, or from people supporting the idea. I know it will grow to where we have tournaments like that in about every city with Nationals. Save the little ones from the USTA’s disaster. – Robert




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    Lansdorp is still a total fan of the USTA I see!
     
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    Good move...hopefully more will follow:)
     
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    Here is the link.

    http://www.10tennis.org

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    Tennis has been part of my life since I first started playing at the age of 5. I had the good fortune of supportive parents, coaches, and local tennis community. I built many lifelong friendships, traveled the world, and learned much about myself through the trials and tribulations of this rewarding roller coaster ride. After retiring from the tour I was fortunate to start a successful coaching career sharing my experience with other young aspiring junior tennis players.

    The next chapter of my tennis life is supporting my children who start their own journey in tennis. Excited to get started, I was disappointed at the quality and availability of events for my under 10 daughter. Then, I met legendary coach Robert Lansdorp who flat out said start your own thing because the current model isn't going to change. Next I read the book Outliers and asked myself whether an environment exists to foster excellence, sportsmanship, and passion in junior tennis today?

    After speaking with other competitive juniors parents, the answer was no. With the help of other passionate parents we decided to create something that would not just motivate our kids, but inspire a tennis community.

    10 Tennis will be that organization that breathes passion and love back into tennis events. Events strive to make each participant feel not only that they are special but being part of this event is special. How can we hold our youth accountable for hard work, dedication, passion, and sportsmanship if we don't run events that reflect that and recognize those values?

    Thank you for reading about our mission and if you like what you hear please help spread the word. Also, always feel free to contact us with comments or suggestions as our goals are to grow and improve with each event.

    It takes a special individual to become a champion, but it takes a community to build one.

    Best Wishes,
    Michael Jessup
    President, 10 Tennis



    The $2000 Elite Under 10 Championships

    Welcome to the inaugural The Elite Under 10 Championships held at Stanford University's Taube Family Tennis Stadium. Our goal is to create awareness and support for our vision as well as introduce our 2014 10 & Under Tennis Circuit.

    We are excited and honored to host some of the best Under 10 players in the area if not the nation. During the tournament participants can expect to see a high level or professionalism, organization, and responsiveness from the tournament staff. Due to the overwhelming support of the community we will have court monitors between every other court to help with scoring and disputes as well as a head referee. The finals of each event will have chair umpires and the winners and runners up will be given an opportunity to give an acceptance speech during the award ceremonies.

    Thanks to our sponsors who share in our vision we have some of the largest prizes of any 10 & under tournament circuit. During the tournament we will have a hit for prizes court, amazing player bags filled with goodies, tournament shirt, training grants, and the Michael Callaghan Sportsmanship Award.

    Prizes are as follows:
    9's Division: Winner $350 & Runner up $150 Training Grants
    8's Division: Winner $200 & Runner up $100 Training Grants
    6's Division: Very Cool Trophies
    Sportsmanship: 1 Boy & 1 Girl will win a trip to Disneyland
    Trophies: Trophies will be given for players that finish top four in each division.

    This year we did not do 10 & under as all these players would be ineligible for our 2014 circuit.

    Rules:
    8's & 9's division will play 2 out of 3 sets with a 10 minute break between the 2nd and 3rd sets with regular balls. There will be a feed in championships with 8-game pro sets. Losers in the semi finals will go into the FIC as well and the winner of the FIC will be awarded 3rd place.

    6's Division will play will play 2 out of 3 sets with a 12 point tie break in lieu of the 3rd set. Orange balls and orange ball court will be used. There will be a feed in championships with 8-game pro sets. Losers in the semi finals will go into the FIC as well and the winner of the FIC will be awarded 3rd place.

    There will be plenty of court monitors at the tournament and the point penalty system will be fully enforced. Warning, point, match. Throwing rackets, screaming, and other unsportsmanlike conduct will not be tolerated.

    No parents will be allowed on court and no coaching. Also, players must check themselves in.

    There will be warm up courts on site that can be split with other players.

    About The 2014 Circuit
    The 2014 Circuit will comprise of 4-5 tournaments where players collect points to qualify for the year end championships. The year end championships is where players can earn training grants, sportsmanship awards, and of course fun and games. We are still looking for more sponsors and host sites so please connect us and help grow our 10 & Under tennis community!




    WELCOME TO 10 TENNIS
     
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  5. sureshs

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    This is a disruptive revolution which will change the USTA forever.
     
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    I really hope so. It sounds too good to be true. Especially the parts about actually enforcing rules about screaming, racquet abuse, and parent coaching with penalties. PLEASE let this be successful!
     
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    So in other words, Jessup is attracting top juniors to his events by offering prize money. For 8 and 9 year old kids. Garbage.
     
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    Thats is not the case. They are training grants. For example $350 worth of tennis lessons.
     
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    Sounds great!
     
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  10. Topspin Shot

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    Okay, now I get it. The description seemed at first sight to imply the winner would receive cash. I still am not a fan of the concept though because I feel it induces needless pressure on elementary school age kids who shouldn't have to think about that kind of thing.
     
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  11. North

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    It sounds great - and this ^ is the best of all. Hope it starts a very welcome trend.
     
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    They won't think about it.

    These kids are under 10. Mom and Dad pay for all the lessons anyway. If they could spend the money on Legos and Barbies it would be different.

    The kids do care about the trophies and about playing with other really good kids. The USTA's tournaments are simply mismatching skill levels/ages and forcing the best little kids to keep playing with quick start balls for too long.

    This is an outstanding alternative and we should hope it succeeds.

    Let that group of super strong kids excel and give them an outlet.
     
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  13. TCF

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    Exactly. This guy is a disciple of Lansdorp who advocates supporting the disciplined, talented, and serious tennis kids from the earliest possible age. The kids who from their first group lesson stand out as learning faster and hitting cleaner balls. The kids who watch tennis channel instead of the NFL.

    There are plenty of USTAs and rec tournaments for the casual tennis kids. These are designed for serious tennis kids and parents.
     
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    :grin:

    It may be a small population but one for whom there is basically nothing besides Little Mo right now.

    To this day I don't know what the USTA actually thinks these kids are supposed to do? Just stick with orange ball and get bored? Play against monster 12 year olds in the yellow ball events?

    Jessup will likely have to deal with lots of grief for swimming upstream on this. Not just from the USTA but from those who don't like Lansdorp (who honestly does sound like he's grinding a big ax).

    Just another reason to support the initiative, regardless of who supports it.

    Let it just be about the kids, who want this outlet.
     
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    Are 9 year old kids looking for an outlet? It's never about the kids at this age, It's about the parents. They shouldn't even be allowed to compete at this age.
     
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    Yes. Some 9 year olds are looking for an outlet. Some 8 year olds too. Not every child is the same. Some are bitten by the tennis bug at an early age and want to be out there in competition. The ones who are truly in it for the long haul get their butts handed to them in a match and then ask when they can compete again. Some kids love tennis but also love soccer and basketball. They like to compete casually and maybe somewhere down the road will devote more time and effort exclusively to tennis.

    The tweeners (those unfortunate 8-10 year old high level players) really got the shaft by the USTA. I hope that this new endeavor is able to help them. I am a little jaded and think the USTA monopoly is such a gigantic force that will strike against those who attempt to challenge it.
     
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    Would LOVE to hear from guys like Michael and Lansdorp on what was said by Bernard Pestre from the FFT at the ITF coaches conf two weeks ago????? FFT pretty much eliminating rankings/points...etc altogether for under 12's starting in Jan 2014

    In a nutshell the FFT feels that too many French Jrs who dominate at the U10 and thru age 13 disappear and drop tennis altogether -
     
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    Exactly, I have seen 3 year olds who are so naturally competitive they have to win every race with their friends. And 6 year old girls who saw an older girl playing tennis and became obsessed even though their parents could care less about the sport.

    To say no 9 year old should compete and/or be obsessed with anything would lead to a boring world with no Tiger Woods, grand master chess champions, or Mozarts.
     
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    All Federations are clutching at straws as to how to build champions. This is just one more example.

    Sure plenty of kids who kick butt in the younger age groups get bummed when they no longer win when older, and many others just quit because the teen years lead them in other directions.

    The USTA, the FFT, and all the rest just need to support junior tennis, make it as affordable as possible, and let the market decide the rest. If parents and kids want to participate in competitions at young ages, so be it.

    In specific regards to the FFT decision....my guess is more kids will simply go into other sports instead of tennis. Serious tennis kids want to compete, kids can become dang good at tennis by age 8-9....take away the rankings and it will push the best athletes away from tennis. Most kids want to compete and the parents who pay the bills want them to compete. Right or wrong, that is the market.

    It is already happening in FL. No more 10s points and rankings...some kids play up to take their beatings in the 12s, but many others have gone into other sports and just look at tennis as a casual sport, if they play at all.
     
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    My pro just got back from that and he was saying the same thing, but lets look at the results from Little Mo's in 2006:

    http://www.collegeandjuniortennis.com/LittleMoNationals06.htm

    Boy 8 champion:

    Stefan Kozlov

    http://www.itftennis.com/juniors/players/player/profile.aspx?playerid=100172012

    Boys 9 was Eduardo Nova and Deiton won the 10's.

    All really good, accomplished players. They haven't gone anywhere.
     
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    Right because Golf and Chess and Tiger woods and Magnus Carlsen make the world exciting :rolleyes:..
     
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    Seriously. If the kids want to compete, let them compete. Forcing them is wrong but encouraging them is good.
     
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    Yup. Parents with multiple kids know this. You can have 2 siblings and one is passive and the other crazy competitive even as a toddler. There is no one size fits all. Competitive kids need to compete, and if you take away that option in tennis they will simply move to something else.
     
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    Really?

    There were posts on here that showed a lot of coaches/pros hate teaching a group of kids..
     
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    No it's not, not at age 3,4,5, 6, 7, 8, 9 and 10. They should never be put into a pressure and stressful situation. You are guaranteed to screw them up. All they want to do is please mom and dad at this age. That's why they look at you every time they make or miss a shot. It's basically child abuse to subject them to the pressure of a tournament and only stupid parents would do such a thing.
     
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    I am not sure that handing out money (in one form or the other) as prizes is the right thing to do for 10 and under. I wonder what Lansdorp thinks of his financial support being used in this way. Free Gatorades, T shirts and towels for every kid should be enough as a way of rewarding everyone.
     
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    If your 15 year old is looking at you after every shot you should not give anyone parenting advice. My kid just turned 9, schedules her own tournaments, tells me the time she needs to be taken to her match, then tells me to have fun reading my book while she does her thing. She designed some custom tennis T shirts she sells, all on her own, and usually grabs an order or 2 each tournament.

    I am not sure if you are raising a kid or veal but you have a completely distorted view of what well raised kids are capable of at a young age.
     
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    TCF, notwithstanding my personal feelings about these prizes, be careful with NCAA amateurism requirements. Since these tournaments are presumably not open, prizes that go beyond covering expenses are not allowed. Make sure training grants are okay.
     
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    What the French are saying is that they are losing way to many kids who when they fail to dominate at the next level just quit and take up basketball, football...etc.

    Their view is that the push for points and rankings...etc at the 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 yr old level is just too much pressure. The FFT, child and sports psychologists all agreed the best solution was to have the kids use these years to develop and not worry (both parents and kids) about any thing else.
     
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    It's interesting as the studies from the FFT (and the whole battery of French child and sport psychologists) are showing that kids are leaving tennis and it's that exact group where they have the issue.

    As or results overall so far you can't fault the FFT "system" - looking at the number of players they have in the top 10, 20, 50 and even 100. Yes so far no Nadals or Nole's but the ROI has been pretty darn good.
     
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    Do you think that's it?

    I don't know, it will be interesting to see what happens with my kids. As a family, we play a lot of tennis. We hang out at the club a lot, most of our friends our members. It's what we do.

    I don't pretend to know everything and can predict the future, but I just don't see my kids quitting tennis because of pressure or failure to dominate. Maybe.
     
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    But the current top players came through the old system with early competition.
     
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    They claim the current pressure and demand on ROI is many many times greater - in France when I was a jr at 9 (late 60s early 1970) we had tourneys but no pressure. They claimed that in talking with the current pros and getting their feedback just about all would have preferred this "new" attitude - every French player with an ATP ranking was asked for their input.

    It will be interesting as the FFT is going to implement this Jan......45 days from now.
     
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    Yet I'm French and naturally biased, I still have more confidence in FFT's decision making than the USTA given the buckets of tears about US tennis in these forums. So we will see what will happen. They're not taking away competitions altogether, just taking away rankings for some ages, tweaking the length of matches and formats of said matches/competitions. Make some sense.

    And I agree.
     
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    I think that does make some sense.

    No need for rankings or anything as long as tourneys don't depend on it or anything. That's the mindset that we have with my 3rd grader. Don't worry about results, lets just work on certain things.
     
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    Putting this in a new post...
    Plus making them compete at real age and not per year. 64000 12 year old and under players registered, only 18000 of them compete. On the top of this, 88% of those 18000 players play less than 5 matches a year and only 3,4% of them play more than 20 matches. It has been estimated that the FFT looses about 87% of its competitive players between 12 and 23YO. On 96 of the best boys at 12, only 8 of them became Top100 players. 33 boys who weren't top 96 at 12YO made ATP Top 100. Ask G. Simon who was getting spanked at age 15. Moreover, players born in the second semester were naturally disadvantaged. I can indeed understand the thinking process. Shorter matches allow players to try to play doubles and play more overall matches; making team competitions aggregate both boys and girls results to reinforce team spirit (not fond of that one) and removing individual competition (replacing it by team competition), taking rankings out of consideration for 10 and under to reduce pressure (but competitions still exist).

    I'd be a chore to describe the whole reform here so I'm stopping now. And I find myself editing too much.
     
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    So your 9 year old is raising herself. You must be proud! Does she make her own doctor's appointments and decide what medicine to take also?

    Yea, because my view includes actually raising my kid and not reading books while she "does her own thing".
     
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    Haven't you posted this like three times before? I see it, it vanishes, and then I see you've posted it again. Strange happenings.
     
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    So, while the proof will be in the pudding, Jessup appears to be getting some interest from the top kids. He has posted pictures on the circuit's Facebook of about a half-dozen entrants who have participated in Little Mo.

    He has also secured Stanford Taube as the venue.

    Seems to me like he is a serious guy on a legit mission. If in ten years American tennis is strong again, we will have stuff like this to thank.

    USTA's "grow the game" mission to try to get every single kid in America to play mediocre tennis once a month for an hour certainly isn't going to produce the next Sampras.
     
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