It's that time again..who has the hardest draw?

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Which of the big 4 has it the toughest?

  1. Nadal

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  2. Djokovic

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  3. Federer

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  4. Murray

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  1. egn

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    So again out of the big 4 who has it the worst? I'm kind of edging Murray here. His third round prospects are Cilic or Ljubicic, two big serving guys who can kill the ball. Although he is 5-1 against Cilic most of their matches have been tight and I think we all remember that beatdown Cilic gave Murray at the US Open not too long ago. Ljubicic might be even more dangerous, the guy is hit or miss, but Murray has always struggled against him and Ljubicic serves huge and can hit some damn good volleys if necessary. Though Ljubicic has never gone past round 3 at wimby but it's all about matchups.

    Then looking to round 4 it is most likely going to be either Gasquet or Stan..two more players who Murray is probably not happy to see. Stan took Murray to five back in 09 here and wore him down and then last year took him out in the US Open. Gasquet has a reputation for choking against Murray but it is good to note his only two wins have come from when Gasquet all ready had two sets in the bank not something anyone wants too look forward to going into the QFs.

    His QF could be any of Roddick, Lopez, Karolvic, Monfils, Janko etc. It's a seemingly wide open section but a handful of troublesome guys. If Karolvic serves well he can cruise through and then although Murray is undefeated against him he can expect a lot of work. I think all can recall what Roddick did to him back in 2009. He did just dismantle him a week ago, but if Murray gets passive and Roddick's serve gets rolling things get ugly. Feliciano Lopez just another big serving guy with a good grass game. Monfils and Janko might not get it going but the prospects are deadly.

    Now cue in Nadal as a SF or Berdych or the off chance one of Raonic or Del Potro get rolling and then of course the final things look rough...

    Fed can basically sleep until his QF with most likely Tsonga (unless Isner v Mahut isn't a magical marathon) a fourth round prospect with Isner could be a bit tough but Fed likes big servers.

    Djokovic has Baggy...and then Llodra? Not sure where he really has to worry Soderling poses a threat, but then Djokovic's grass game is a bit shaky, but with his draw he has no excuse for not getting to at least the QF.

    Nadal looks good until either Raonic/Haas and then is clear until Berdych who he kind of dismantled last year so he should be good as well..

    Let the war begin
     
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    I'd say it is pretty evened out, but Federer has Manno in the 2nd, Nalby in the 3rd, Youzhny or Isner in the 4th, and Tsonga Dolgo or Ferrer in the quarters.

    Nadal has Raonic in the 3rd, Del Potro or Simon in the 4th, and Fish or Berdych in the quarters.

    Murray has Cilic or Ljubicic in the 3rd, Gasquet or Wawrinka in the 4th, and Monfils or Roddick in the quarters.

    Djokovic has Baghdatis in the 3rd, Llodra or Troicki in the 4th, and Soderling in the quarters.
     
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    Actually if things went right Nadal could end up having to play quite a few huge servers this Wimbledon which makes for a very distinct possibility of a freak upset.
     
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  4. Omega_7000

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    And here we go again! Federer & Djokovic in the same half. Looks like Nadal will win another Major without having to go through ("The King") this year!
     
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    It's grass...assuming we are talking Djokovic...Nadal wouldn't have been sweating had Djokovic had been there.
     
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    Dont forget about Andujar in round 2!

    If he can have a 5-1 40-0 lead on his own serve against Nadal on clay, he could well have a 5-1 40-0 lead in 2 sets on grass!
     
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  7. Omega_7000

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    I wanted Fed to be in Nadal's half, so atleast he wouldn't gift Nadal another Major if he reached the finals...
     
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    and choke it...
     
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    I kind of wanted to see a Muzza/Nadal rematch..third times a charm!
     
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    Wow Brad wtf? How on earth...are we serious..outside of Berdych who in Murray's quarter has done any damage on grass. Sometimes he says the dumbest things. Murray got it easiest? WTF? Still scratching my head.
     
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    Nadal will have to play his best to beat Del Potro. Del Potro is the dark horse and is getting into Topt Ten form rapidly.
     
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    No he won't. It's grass. Delpo looked like Bambi on ice @ Queen's.

    Murray has the hardest draw. He has a triple Wimby finalist and a Wimby semifinalist to beat before he makes semis - I don't think Rafa or anyone else has that to contend with.
     
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    Oh please, since when have any of those players been a strong threat to Nadal--i.e. Raonic or Del Potro?

    Besides, if Nadal is the best player in the world, why would he have ANY kind of difficult draw? The best in the world should defeat any of those players easily, no?
     
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    ^^^

    I agree with this writer. An absolutely brutal draw for Rafa. Really sad.
     
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    LOL @ *******s worried about Delpo against Nadal. Unless Nadal's form is bad, Delpo should be no problem for him.
     
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    Actually Sean Randall usually can't stand Fed either but I would agree Nadal has a tougher draw than Fed this time around,both of them got their pigeons in QF but Berdych is much better on grass than David and Nadal has slightly tougher potential early round match-ups.
     
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    He looked similarly against Hewitt in 2009 as well.I'd agree overall that Murray has it hardest,Gasquet is playing well again & is at his best on grass and you can't write off Roddick at Wimbledon despite the way he got drubbed in Queens.I think Andy should take Richard very seriously,there's some solid upset potential there.
     
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    I don't think Gasquet or Roddick are big threats to Murray. Anything is possible of course, but I just can't see it unless Murray is playing abysmally. As long as it is not the finals of a slam, Murray should be good. :)
     
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    Well,we'll find out,I just have a feeling Gasquet-Muzza is gonna be a cracker,I see Richie taking one set atleast.With Roddick it's hard to guess how his form will be at Wimbledon,he might have been deliberately taking some pace off his serve in Queens(I think his average serve speed was lower than usual)in order to save it for Wimbledon.
     
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  23. Comet Buster

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    Do you really think the Queens result between Murray and Roddick means anything? As a fan of niether I'd say it doesn't. Wouldn't surprise me if Stefanki told Roddick to play Murray normally and when it comes to Wimbledon make some tactical changes; Similarly to Doha when Murray owned Roddick and Wimbledon when Roddick managed to beat Murray. Roddick fans shouldn't be concerned at all as they can hope he actually takes his FH with him to Wimbledon this time.



    Here's hoping JMDP will win the whole thing. Won't happen but I can dream right?
     
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  24. MichaelNadal

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    Nightmare for Rafa early on, he's gonna have to be SHARP right out of the gate.
     
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  25. Cesc Fabregas

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    It's a great draw for Nadal. He doesn't get Isner or Karlovic in the early rounds and Sod/Roddick in the QF, Ferrer would have been ideal but I'll take Berdych.
     
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    Easy draw for Nadal. Should roll into the final without any glitches.

    Poor Nole. Yet again, Dijana's son will be bumped out in the semi's by Roja.
     
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    I think this draw would have been hard for Rafa if it were on hard courts.
     
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    Baghdatis-Djokovic potential match up looks promising.
     
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    and fedaltards have taken over this thread...ahh yes because juan martin del potro and gilles simon are going to start triumphing in wimbledon....

    while murray's section is just loaded with players who play well on grass and love the surface..I mean hey at least they didn't throw tsonga in there as well
     
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    Delpo : Bambi on Ice. :lol:


    Seriously, I pick Rafa's draw. I think his draw is almost tough.
    Raonic is one of the dark horse at Wimbledon IMO.
     
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    First time I have to vote for Ralph here.

    Lol but Nolito has again another CW like he had at RG until Semis of course, (again).
     
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    Murray has the toughest draw no doubt.
     
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  33. ksbh

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    Once again this thread is turning into who's right and who's wrong ... or according to Sunny Deol, right yaaa wrong!




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  34. jackson vile

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    How many times did Murray end up in Nadal's draw when he was not number one. Sure didn't see you B!*&h then LOL

    Sure is nice to be number one for once, now he knows how easy Federer had it.
     
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  35. jackson vile

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    PS, Novak sucks on grass
     
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  36. AM95

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    just by the names, gotta go with nadal.

    he's got raonic, del po, murray, roddick, simon and wawrinka in his half.

    federer's really only got djokovic to deal with, but thats a man who has a 3-1 winning record against him and and a 4-0 winning record against nadal, so he should not be underestimated.
     
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    He reached Wimbledon SF twice.

    PS. You're clueless.
     
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  38. 8PAQ

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    Which is exactly why he is pretending that Nadal has a hard draw and Fed doesn't. Typical trolling technique used in order to have more ammo to make excuse for your favourite player and to make fun of the one you hate in case of any possible outcome.

    Let me show you how it's done:

    Nadal has two nobodies in the 1st two rounds. Then in 3rd he won't play Raonic because Raonic will lose to Fogini who will troll another slam for everyone and thus Nadal will play some way over the hill player in the 3rd (didn't Haas retired yet and did Nadal ever lose more than 4 games in a set to Haas?). Then in the 4th Nadal will play someone who has no experience on grass and thus we now have 4 super easy matches in the row for Nadal. Then in the quarter and the semi Nadal will play two big time slam chokers (Berdych and Murray whom he beat in straights last year). So looks like Nadal should get to the final without losing a set or even getting broken. Couple of tie breaks in the worst case.

    Now lets look at the insane draw for Fed. 1st round Fed who had no tune up practise has to play a rising star and always dangerous Mikhail Kukushkin (lol) who will use this opportunity to show the world all he's got! In the 2nd round Fed has a dangerous and on fire qualifier who will play the match of his life against his hero. In the 3rd Fed has his nemesis Nadlbadian who has eliminated Federer from countless slams and will most likely again beat an out of form and exhausted from the gruelling first two round matches Federer. And so on and so on...
     
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  39. Hitman

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    Apparently he wasn't good enough to beat Nadal in a final also.

    Oh, and beat him on clay...

    And beat him on clay twice...

    Whatever....
     
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    WTF!?!?!?!?

    The thread includes the whole top 4 if Nadal faces Murray he will not face roddick or stan...

    Murray has the same exact people in his half as Nadal just change that name Murray to Nadal...HOW ON EARTH!!?!?! Does anybody read. Second when did Del Potro and Gilles Simon become grass court threats?
     
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    That ugly actor looks like fat ugly woman. Reminds me of your avatar. Please stop posting his/her pictures in a tennis forum.
     
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  42. jackson vile

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    Ok, now compare that to Nadal, Federer, Murray, etc. You tell me who has the better record along with grass titles genius.

    But oh yes, if Novak makes it to the final he is sure to win!

    I mean you make stupid look smart LOL
     
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    im just basing the draw by names..you can call it potential threat/risks. del po and raonic are in the same quarter as nadal, while murray has wawrinka in his quarter.

    calm down, i'm the first person that would usually say that federer has the harder draw.
     
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    Nadal,Federer and Murray all have better grasscourt records than Novak,now do tell what has this fact got to do with my answer to your previous post?

    Of course not but once again has nothing to do with what I've said in my previous post.

    Your reading comprehension is downright embarassing.
     
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    You said Nadal has the harder draw cause he has del po, raonic, murray, roddick, wawrinka...

    What I am saying is switch the two? You picked three people from a completely different quarter to judge Nadal. I am just curious as into how this makes Nadal's draw tougher than Murrays?
     
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    Millions of Indians disagree with you. So you're wrong. I can't tell for sure but I'm quite confident he looks better than you do.

     
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    I have a feeling Isner-Mahut is going to more of an anti-climax.
     
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  48. Omega_7000

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    How many Majors does Murray have? How many does Djokovic have?

    Oh and btw Djokovic has been ending up in Fed's even when he was # 1.
    LOL

    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=383263&page=3
     
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    I'd say...
    Nadal
    Murray
    Federer
    Djokovic

    Nadal takes the top spot, because, historically, his biggest threats are big hitters/servers. Raonic could be tricky for him, as well as many of the other guys he'll have to play. He'll only have 1 or 2 "easy" rounds.
     
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  50. Ripster

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    One of the myths of TW. A two-time Wimbledon semi-finalist and finalist at Queen's sucks on grass?

    If he can get by Federer I'm predicting he'll win the tournament even if he faces Nadal (who he loves to play), Murray (who chokes in finals) or anyone else in the draw.
     
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