It's That Time Of Year

Discussion in 'References' started by Fearsome Forehand, May 7, 2012.

  1. Fearsome Forehand

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    No, not Christmas. :)

    School is out (colleges anyway) and soon high school, junior high and elementary schools will follow.

    In short, it is prime scamming season. So turn on your radar. Lots of cash poor kids out there with idle hands looking for someone to dupe. Completely avoid people with emails ending in @thedevilsworkshop.

    Be very careful. Check references and emails, use your cc not cash or PP balances, avoid trades with unknown entities, watch out for international deals, try to figure out if you are dealing with an adult, get good pics, trust your instincts, etc.

    We've been on a good run here lately. Don't get taken by a scamming yute. Get Direct TV.:)
     
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  2. sphinx780

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    This forum needs more public service announcements like this now and again.
     
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    I don't have any data, but my gut/observational sense is that scamming here is highly seasonal and peaks when the kiddies are out of school in the northern hemisphere. (May to September) Hence, the warning.
     
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  4. anhuynh16

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    Is it always like this in the summer?
     
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  5. Bilders

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    I am in Australia so does this put me in the upper echelons of 'BEWARE'? :p
     
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  6. Fearsome Forehand

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    A couple of summers ago I helped an Aussie get his money back after a Canadian kid screwed him on a trade. I would advise you to deal with Aussies and save yourself the potential hassles of international deals.
     
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  7. Bilders

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    I hear you. I purchase a lot of stuff on **** and at least with the protection in place there it's a much more secure beacon of trading. It's good to have someone like you giving advice to traders and keeping an eye out on deals that are going on.
     
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  8. norcal

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    FF should be made moderator of this forum. He's kind of a combo of Jason Bourne and Jason Statham.
     
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  9. LanEvo

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    I'm not out yet, college doesn't end until mid June for me. My last final is the 14th of June.
     
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  10. BHiC

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    I agree, from now on, we should refer to FF as Jason Bourntham. Or maybe Jason Stourne. :lol:
     
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    I say FF needs a new avatar:

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  12. Bilders

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    Clouseau you sly panther!
     
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  13. MAXXply

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    So along with every foreigner, all U.S students are scamming cheats getting primed to fleece good 'ol hard workin' TT forum adults.

    I nominate FearsomeForehand as leader of the TT Taliban. Or Star Chamber. Talk Tennis' very own Torquemada, leader of the Spanish Inquisition. Jason Bourne/Jason Statham don't come to mind - Sen Joe Macarthy does...
     
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  14. Fuji

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    It's a good reminder to have out there. My schooling ends in at the end of June, (Canada) so prepare for July fellow traders! :)

    Also, you were right. We have been on a really good streak here!

    -Fuji
     
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  15. Fearsome Forehand

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    I normally don't reply to idiotic posts but I will make an exception in this case. :)

    Dear Idiot: Exaggerate much? The taliban? The Star Chamber? The Spanish Inquisition? Tail Gunner Joe? Please. :roll:

    Your post only serves to prove my point about the hazards of dealing with immature people so thanks for enhancing my argument. You are not a kid so what is your excuse?

    It is a fact that the typical profile of a bad deal around here is an international trade with a kid. If you take offense to that, so be it. The adults who trade here (and even the kids for that matter) should conduct themselves accordingly especially once school is out; the traditional peak scamming season.

    I never claimed all foreigners, all students, etc., are bad. That is not the case at all. I stated that if one looks at the scammers that we have had here in the past, the vast majority were "kids" (25 and under, most are 22 and under) and there has also been an inordinate number of problems with international deals (particularly trades) on all sides of both large ponds.

    Doing a business deal, domestic or international, with a minor is not so smart for myriad reasons.

    By the way, I have helped quite a few non-Americans (most of whom were kids) including Aussies get their money back from scammers. And there are "kids" here I would deal with in a second. Meow and Dire come to mind immediately as both are Grade A people. It isn't like I only go after scammers who are kids; I don't discriminate on the basis of age with regard to scammers.

    I have done deals with college age kids here and made out well but I covered myself by checking them out beforehand (one was literally a former Eagle Scout), paying with a cc, shipping to confirmed addresses with signature confirmation, etc. Taking such steps mitigates the risks inherent in deals with total strangers. I have also been screwed on numerous occasions (mostly on condition issues rather than outright scams) by both adults and kids. A college age kid did attempt to scam me once on the auction site. (After the fact research indicated he had been arrested on felony charges more than once. Thank you for that introduction, fleabay.) I have also done many international deals which for the most part were good. Received a few rackets that were more beaten up than described but that has happened domestically as well. It is usually cost prohibitive to return a racket internationally though.

    Even when dealing with honest people, international deals pose much more downside risk/hassles than domestic deals (no matter what country one is in) due to customs, shipping costs, tracking irregularities, and the difficulty in correcting a problem if one occurs. There is also the added fun of dealing with customs forms and having to physically go to a Post Office which is always a good time. Whether, or not, one is willing to absorb the added hassle and risk of an international deal is a matter of personal choice. Obviously, if someone has many good references they are a much better bet than someone who has bad references and that should be taken into account for deals both foreign and domestic. There is no perfect remedy but one can be smart about planning ahead for a deal potentially going south in how one pays, how one ships, reference checks, etc.

    It is good that people are being more wary/cautious here. I think that wariness and the fact many would be scammers see what happens to those who scam here (mostly kids) and are scared off as a result have cut down on the rate of problematic deals. Not worth the grief when daddy and mommy's names, addresses and phone numbers are posted here and/or they receive emails or phone calls advising them that lil' precious has been committing fraud on the internet. As well, if people are more cautious about doing international deals having witnessed more than a few problems here over the years, that is probably a wise choice.

    As far as becoming a moderator, I was approached once by one of the moderators and declined. Not worth the hassle IMHO. We should thank our lucky stars that Dire has chosen to moderate this board as long as he has. He has done a great job for very little reward.
     
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