It's very good to see the Clay season again

Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by Heracles, Apr 14, 2011.

  1. Heracles

    Heracles Banned

    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2010
    Messages:
    448
    As an european and a fan of clay tennis I always love this part of the season.

    I was watching Nadal vs Gasquet and it was so refreshing. Rallys were very good, point construction was great and very smart. Both players played with inspiration and the speed of the court allowed them to deliver a true tactical battle with a point only being finished at the second bounce.

    This is the return of clever tennis. Nadal played so much better than in any of his HC match this year.
     
    #1
  2. feetofclay

    feetofclay Semi-Pro

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2008
    Messages:
    614
    Well said 'Heracles' it's my favoiurite part of the year also, for all the reasons that you have stated. I don't miss the obsession with the speed gun for measuring serves, one little bit.
     
    #2
  3. Cup8489

    Cup8489 Legend

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2007
    Messages:
    9,240
    Location:
    Silvis, IL
    I hope i get a chance to play on the red stuff myself...some day..

    Love the clay
     
    #3
  4. Tennis sensation

    Tennis sensation Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2010
    Messages:
    4,479
    Location:
    Lost
    Yeah I know. This is 'real' tennis.
     
    #4
  5. Tennis sensation

    Tennis sensation Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2010
    Messages:
    4,479
    Location:
    Lost
    My favourite time of the season is clay and grass.

    I wish to play someday on clay and grass courts.
     
    #5
  6. MagneticCurls

    MagneticCurls Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 4, 2011
    Messages:
    219
    The slower you make a surface, the lower the tennis skill needed to play on it.
     
    #6
  7. cocolate

    cocolate Banned

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2009
    Messages:
    236
    hard better than clay...trust me i play a lot on clay and it's pusher's land
     
    #7
  8. Sintherius

    Sintherius Rookie

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2011
    Messages:
    242
    Location:
    Dayton, OH
    Yeah Nadal must suck really bad to be the "King of Clay" and I'm not even a Nadal fan. You don't win as much as he has and won ALL the slams and have a low tennis skill to dominate on clay.
     
    #8
  9. Antonio Puente

    Antonio Puente Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Apr 7, 2009
    Messages:
    2,203
    Location:
    Buenavista
    You're right - Andy Roddick and John Isner are well-rounded, multi-talented individuals.
     
    #9
  10. Mustard

    Mustard Talk Tennis Guru

    Joined:
    Nov 12, 2009
    Messages:
    25,112
    Location:
    Cwmbran, Wales
    The clay and grass period is the best time of the tennis calendar.
     
    #10
  11. rainingaces

    rainingaces Legend

    Joined:
    Jul 20, 2009
    Messages:
    6,393
    Location:
    UK
    Tall powerful servers have done well on clay so I don't know what your talking about.

    Karlovic has won a clay title, Isner and Querrey were in the final of Belgrade 2010. Clay is boring to me, a good defencive player can beat a much better shot maker on clay and that I find sad. Grass is what its all about, all court tennis beats boring dirt ball baseline tennis every day.
     
    #11
  12. Murrayfan31

    Murrayfan31 Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2010
    Messages:
    4,022
    Hardcourts bring out the best tennis level. The OP is obsessed with Nadal. Nadal's level isn't high enough to win consistently on hardcourts.
     
    #12
  13. babbette

    babbette Legend

    Joined:
    Jan 18, 2006
    Messages:
    5,959
    I concur. Because the hard court season is so long and intense I always forget how much I love the clay season until we come back to it.
     
    #13
  14. MichaelNadal

    MichaelNadal Talk Tennis Guru

    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2007
    Messages:
    29,594
    Location:
    In the middle of tomorrow and yesterday..
    Plus 1. Easily the most exciting time in tennis, from Monte Carlo to Wimbledon. The only thing I care about after is the US Open.
     
    #14
  15. MichaelNadal

    MichaelNadal Talk Tennis Guru

    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2007
    Messages:
    29,594
    Location:
    In the middle of tomorrow and yesterday..
    BWAHAHAHA! Ok, so who's having better results on hardcourts in the past FIVE YEARS? Just Federer. Also Novak is just as successful, but who else? Get a life. Nadal is in the top 3 on the surface.
     
    #15
  16. Antonio Puente

    Antonio Puente Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Apr 7, 2009
    Messages:
    2,203
    Location:
    Buenavista
    Belgrade? Yes, after that, we should fully expect to see Isner and Querrey challenging for Rome or the FO.
     
    #16
  17. Antonio Puente

    Antonio Puente Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Apr 7, 2009
    Messages:
    2,203
    Location:
    Buenavista
    It is funny - if Nadal had no clay or grass titles, and only had an AO, a US Open, a hard court gold medal and five hard court 1000's, he would be called a hard court specialist. But since he's so dominant on clay and grass, his hard court successes are looked at differently than they should be.
     
    #17
  18. Murrayfan31

    Murrayfan31 Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2010
    Messages:
    4,022
    I believe Murray beat Nadal the last 2 times they played on a hardcourt slam. Del Potro also destroyed him. Ferrer beat him. It took a marathon match to tire Djokovic out so Nadal could beat him at the US Open.
     
    #18
  19. Mustard

    Mustard Talk Tennis Guru

    Joined:
    Nov 12, 2009
    Messages:
    25,112
    Location:
    Cwmbran, Wales
    Nadal has won more hardcourt slams than Murray, del Potro and Ferrer combined.
     
    #19
  20. cucio

    cucio Legend

    Joined:
    May 13, 2007
    Messages:
    6,913
    Location:
    Tonginchik
    Spring hard court season is very long, so I welcome the beginning of the clay season. Then it gets too long, and I start to long for the grass. I wish they switched surfaces more often.
     
    #20
  21. ashitaka2010

    ashitaka2010 Semi-Pro

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2010
    Messages:
    644
    I missed TT sooooooo much!

    The OP is right, Nadal-Gasquet was good tennis... and the clay is beautiful!
     
    #21
  22. sillymonkey

    sillymonkey Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jul 14, 2007
    Messages:
    1,683
    Location:
    California
    I love it too. It just seems right.
     
    #22
  23. MichaelNadal

    MichaelNadal Talk Tennis Guru

    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2007
    Messages:
    29,594
    Location:
    In the middle of tomorrow and yesterday..
    EXACTLY. I was trying to make this point in another thread a couple weeks ago.
     
    #23
  24. jwbarrientos

    jwbarrientos Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    May 31, 2009
    Messages:
    1,884
    Just travel to LATINOamerica!
     
    #24
  25. whoopinstick

    whoopinstick Rookie

    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2009
    Messages:
    271
    Amen sister! (in agreement with the op)
     
    #25
  26. billnepill

    billnepill Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jun 8, 2009
    Messages:
    2,075
    Location:
    UK
    clay = Nadal since 2005

    The only exciting thing is if Nadal will lose a set till June.
     
    #26
  27. Tough Gut

    Tough Gut Guest

    No, since the courts are slower it is easier to play defense, therefore hard shots are not as effective.
     
    #27
  28. tacou

    tacou Legend

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2007
    Messages:
    7,036
    love it also! but HC and Grass are great too
     
    #28
  29. Tough Gut

    Tough Gut Guest

    I don't think anyone on tour can hit a 140 mph forehand if they can't hit 140 mph serve. And even if u hit it that hard it will tough to get and angle on it. But i get what you mean.:)
     
    #29
  30. Dilettante

    Dilettante Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    May 13, 2005
    Messages:
    2,107
    Location:
    Katy Perry's belly button
    Is this the tennis version of creationism?

    Yes, it's funny. A lot of players without any of those HC titles are said to be better HC specialists than Nadal and to have a more suited game for the surface. It's quite nonsensical, but I guess is the "claycourter prejudice" that was created at the beggining of his career: "Nadal will never win Wimbledon", "Nadal will never win a HC slam" and all that. He won all that, but as I've said, it's like creationism; evidence doesn't seem to matter.

    It happens too with Federer's clay court game. People always saying clay it's his "worst surface", when Federer has not a worst surface! It's just on clay he had his toughest rival. If not for Nadal, I think Federer could have wiped all competition on clay too.

    People just use surfaces, the talent concept and stuff to diminish those players they don't like.
     
    #30
  31. Tough Gut

    Tough Gut Guest

    If you think somebody can win a tournament let alone a match doing that, then that's on you.
     
    #31
  32. Tough Gut

    Tough Gut Guest

    The problem is the chances of getting to the ball so early that you have time to duck and hit an overhead is very small.
     
    #32
  33. beast of mallorca

    beast of mallorca Legend

    Joined:
    May 19, 2010
    Messages:
    7,757
    it's like creationism; evidence doesn't seem to matter.

    dilitante,
    what do you mean by this ? just curious.
     
    #33
  34. Heracles

    Heracles Banned

    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2010
    Messages:
    448
    After the first big clay event of the year, I am happy.

    The final itself was with a lot back and forth rallies that only clay can produce. Nadal was not at his best but still delivered at the end.

    The final was a ferocious battle and imo better than the IW and Miami final who had just more suspens.
     
    #34
  35. miyagi

    miyagi Professional

    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2008
    Messages:
    1,261
    I love this part of the season, so many matches and then to top it off Wimbledon!!!!!!!

    I cant wait to see the results, can Nadal possibly repeat last year?
     
    #35
  36. MagneticCurls

    MagneticCurls Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 4, 2011
    Messages:
    219
    Please explain what is 'creationistic' about simple logic?
     
    #36
  37. TheTruth

    TheTruth G.O.A.T.

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2006
    Messages:
    13,672
    I like all the surfaces, but clay and grass the most.

    I love the point construction and sliding on the clay. Seeing players leave that long skid mark on the clay is a beautiful thing to behold. I also like the way the outsmart each other practically every point.

    Then, the grass because it's cloaked in history. It represents the way the game used to be played and is steeped in tradition. Plus, the lawns are beautiful.

    Hard court is my least favorite because it's too wham, bam, thank you, ma'am and creates too many ball bashers. However, after the sexy clay and the regal grass, it's not too bad seeing the hard courts. I just wish there weren't so many events on them.
     
    #37
  38. tenniswarrior

    tenniswarrior Banned

    Joined:
    Apr 18, 2011
    Messages:
    48
    After WWIII, we'll only have claycourts, because all other land will be destroyed. Clay can easily be made by putting together random bits of bad land.
     
    #38
  39. Murrayfan31

    Murrayfan31 Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2010
    Messages:
    4,022
    So much for Wimbledon tradition. They slowed down the courts considerably there. lol at complaining about hard courts. You want players to struggle hitting the ball hard due to the hindrance of bad bounces on clay and grass.
     
    #39
  40. Ray Mercer

    Ray Mercer Semi-Pro

    Joined:
    Apr 4, 2009
    Messages:
    793
    Not a fan of clay court tennis as it rewards defensive passive players. Fast hardcourt produces the best tennis (ie. US Open).
     
    #40
  41. Murrayfan31

    Murrayfan31 Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2010
    Messages:
    4,022
    Agreed. The true bounces combined with pace brings out the best in tennis players.
     
    #41
  42. Lsmkenpo

    Lsmkenpo Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2006
    Messages:
    3,915
    You may love Clay court tennis if..............

    Your a *******
    You hate Americans
    Your favorite book is War and Peace
    Your a Romanian who will remain Nameless
    You like the longer time frame clay affords you to stare at Nadal's posterior
    Your second favorite past time is watching grass grow.
    You have a weak heart, and can not take too much excitement
    Your Dad's job is smashing red bricks up by hand
    Your second favorite player of all time is Gaston Gaudio
    Your a pusher
    You are too old to play on a hard court
    Your favorite crayon color is brick red
    Your husband left you, and have nothing better to do with your time.
     
    #42
  43. Polvorin

    Polvorin Professional

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2006
    Messages:
    817
    who can hit the most topspin =/= clever tennis
     
    #43
  44. Lsmkenpo

    Lsmkenpo Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2006
    Messages:
    3,915
    Proof that clay is boring, Ion Ţiriac knows what's up, this is the best thing about the Madrid tournament.


    [​IMG]
     
    #44
  45. Murrayfan31

    Murrayfan31 Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2010
    Messages:
    4,022
    Lmao. Good one.
     
    #45
  46. shadows

    shadows Legend

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2008
    Messages:
    8,034
    Location:
    England
    The clay season is 100% the most boring time of the tennis year.

    Unfortunately most hard courts are now so slow that the majority of the HC season is about the same.
     
    #46
  47. namelessone

    namelessone Legend

    Joined:
    Jul 26, 2009
    Messages:
    9,745
    Nope, who can topspin his way to success by pulling his opponent off court = clever tennis. At least on clay.
     
    #47
  48. namelessone

    namelessone Legend

    Joined:
    Jul 26, 2009
    Messages:
    9,745
    Joking aside, CC tennis is awesome. I loved it before I ever heard of Nadal and I will love it long after he is gone. Most of the courts in my country are clay.

    Some of the best players in history were at their greatest on clay.

    And CC tennis is nerve wrecking because breaks are tough to consolidate, nothing is ever finished.
     
    #48
  49. namelessone

    namelessone Legend

    Joined:
    Jul 26, 2009
    Messages:
    9,745
    Also d!ldos :)

    [​IMG]
     
    #49
  50. Lsmkenpo

    Lsmkenpo Hall of Fame

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2006
    Messages:
    3,915
    I enjoy watching Soderling play on clay, because he plays like he is pissed off they made the damn courts so slow and hits even harder.
     
    #50

Share This Page