J011yroger Stroke Inventory.

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  1. VaBeachTennis

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    Hey J011 I am currently a 4.0 because I am still a little rusty and a little inconsistent after a long lay -off from tennis(1993 to December 2006), in that time I was an "A" player in handball, paddle ball and racquet ball, and played tons of it (handball) on the Island and in Manhattan (West 4th st and 6th Ave). When I started playing tennis again my best strokes were my serve(slice, kick, and flat) and backhand (1HBH), my forehand had handball ingrained in it for a while, now I am working out most of those kinks.

    I live down here in sunny Va Beach now for 5 years. I used to play in Harbor Hills country club(Belle Terre), Old Field, Stony Brook racquet club, and SUNY Stony Brook.
    Good luck with your tennis, ignore those kids here that criticize your strokes or game, because most of the biggest critics tend to be the most inept at the game. Where are their videos showing their awesome skills? LOL
     
  2. J011yroger

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    Cool, I work in St. James, and one of my friends is the assistant S&C coach at SUNY SB. So we get to play on the varsity courts there.

    I know what you are talking about, with the ingrained thing, I teach a couple of racquet ball players! But the good news is that their coordination is spot on, and once they get a good tennis swingpath they become fine players, and improve very rapidly. So I know you will get it ironed out.

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  3. VaBeachTennis

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    Thanks J. SUNY SB had some nice courts when I played there. The aforementioned sports did keep me coordinated and in condition, the main issues were and sometimes still are timing and hitting high balls. When I played tennis I used to love the highballs and I would hit a flat drive through them, when I started up again I used to let them drive me backwards, now I am beginning to move forward and catch them on the rise or moonball them back.
     
  4. J011yroger

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    Half the battle with getting your timing right is finding a nice consistent partner. Sometimes I will lose my contact point, and have to go hit against a wall, or machine, to get it back. I went through that really badly just before I hurt my wrist, came to the conclusion that I was making too many errors, and decided that I had to get every single ball hit to me back in play. So my strokes became too brushy, and my contact point moved back, as I started hitting heavy topspin to the opposite baseline. But then I realized that I wasn't dictating play off the ground like I need to when I want to play my best, so I focused on driving the ball more, and going back to my usuall hitting the ball way out in front of me and driving it to dictate play off the ground. And somewhere in that transition I lost my contact point, got kind of caught in between and got myself in a pretty good rut. Was just starting to come out of it when I got hurt.

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  5. VaBeachTennis

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    I can totally sympathize with that. Change is good because it helps your game grow, but sometimes that transition does get you in a rut. I was driving through the ball too much and started to try to brush up on the ball more and had the same problem you described above. I am still trying to work that out.
     
  6. J011yroger

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    Got some serves on video, look for them in a bit after I edit them down to youtube size.

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  7. tennisace432

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    jr, what's the key to putting alot of topspin on the bh?? i hit a very good bh just like yours but the problem is that its flat
     
  8. tennisace432

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    ^are you supposed to windshield wipe it like the fh, or do you get under it, or does it happen naturally???

    also when someone sends you those high topspin moonballs to your bh, what's your first move??? do you advocate moving back?? sometimes i catch myself moving so much back that im pretty close to the back fence on those spinny moonballs.
     
  9. J011yroger

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    Roll your left hand (Assuming you are righty) around under the grip to a more semiwestern lefty forehand grip. That is the main thing. Then for more top, you can bunch your hands together down at the bottom of the grip, so your right pinky finger is almost hanging off the end of the grip.

    If you notice I hit with more of a pull stroke than a push stroke, starting with a more closed racquet face with the racquet tip pointing towards the oncomming ball. And hit with a bit of a loop making sure to start the stroke well below the level of the ball with good knee bend. Shift your weight onto the front leg, and hit the ball well out in front concentrating on being quick through the hitting zone. Follow through nice and high over your shoulder.

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    You windshield wipe yes, but not so much like the forehand. With the forehand you rely on your wrist/forearm to roll the racquet over in the WW motion whereas with the backhand you use your two hands as a pivot, kind of pushing with the right and pulling with the left. Not really pushing with the right, but pulling more with the left than the right to create that fulcrum effect. Your right hand in the continental grip acts as like a hinge.

    It is really hard to explain over the net, but hopefully you get the idea.

    As far as the high moonballs to my BH, I handle them rather well. It isn't something I struggle with much. If I want, I can move forward and take them on the rise because my BH is such a compact stroke, I can take them about 6 inches off the ground. Usually I just creep my left hand around more western and swing out as long as it is eye level or lower it is not so much a problem I can usually get enough on it to get it back deep, and at least put myself into a neutral rally.

    If it is a very slow looper, the best thing you can learn to do is come in and take it out of the air with a backhand swing volley (My favorite shot on the planet). You get so that you can hit that shot with conviction, and be aggressive and smoke the first moonball you see in the match. You will put the fear of god into your opponent.

    I rarely advocate moving back if there is an alternative. Move back if you can in order to get the ball in your strike zone, but if you can stand your ground or move forward with an equal chance of success then do that instead. You don't ever want to hit a shot that you don't own if you don't have to, and you rarely want to move back if you don't have to.

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    Added 2nd serve to the stroke inventory, check first page for link and description.

    Oh yea, and spare me the "I serve 130 but have no camera or radar" comments.

    J
     
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    Uploaded another where I hit one first and one second to each box.

    And another with some lukewarm first serves into the Ad Court.

    Bear with me people, I am new at this video editing stuff.

    J
     
  13. WildVolley

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    Dude, I'm still a critic of your camera work. Maybe if you put the camera on the ball hopper behind you and closer, people could get a better view of your technique and see where the ball is going. It works for me.

    In any case, it is interesting to see video of some of the better players around here.
     
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    Yea, I am definately 2.5/3.0 in the video skill department. I had it on a tripod for all the shots, and was thinking that the side view would be best to see the motion, but maybe tomorrow I will do some with the camera behind me so that you can see the difference between ball tosses for first and 2nd serves.

    When I set the camera up on its tiny screen the pic looks great, like a good view of me, and the entire court, then I get home and it is kind of cheezy on the big screen.

    The digital camcorder I am using is about the size of a pack of playing cards, so you can imagine everything looks great on its tiny screen, and vastly different on my home monitor.

    I wanted that view for match play, but for strokes, you are going to have to deal with that, or else I will move it closer, and you wont be able to see where the ball is going. I dunno which is better.

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  15. WildVolley

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    Good points. Video shot from behind and slightly to the side will allow you to get both the motion and see where the ball lands. I shot some video of my serve from the side at the baseline and it gives a good view of how far the toss is going, the lean, etc, but you really can't tell where the ball is going. I had to call out after each shot so that I could tell the difference between the ones going in and the ones being hit long when I reviewed the video.

    Your mini dv camera with a tripod sounds better than my Canon Powershot that holds just a few minutes of video. If I keep on improving this summer I might get enough bravery to post some of my hitting.

    Keep up the posting and don't be afraid to try a few different angles.
     
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    Ya I like the side because it shows the knee bend,hips out, a lot. But the back would better show toss location, shoulder turn, and back bend, as well as swing path. Because unless you go frame by frame it is tough to see the differences in the swing path between the flat and the kicker.

    I will try to get some more video tomorrow from different angles.

    I will keep posting for sure, this is the first time I have seen myself on video stroke by stroke, and I am lovin it.

    As far as your game goes, don't worry about posting or getting better before you post. We have had vids posted of D1 College kids whom people were saying were 3.5/4.0. I mean, you see what they say about my game/strokes.

    As long as you take video and watch it yourself, to make yourself better then that is great. If you post it, then make sure you know who you are listening to and who you are ignoring. And do just that.

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  17. VaBeachTennis

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    Nice serves. I would love to play against your serves and return them. Down here, most of the people I have encountered have won points off of me intially with their second serves! Why? because they barely make it out of the service box! I am usually looking like WTF was that? The people are mainly 3.5 to 4.0, I am used to returning serves (1st & 2nd) with some juice on them like yours. My serves are similiar to yours, the main difference is that my toss is a little lower than yours, maybe next month I will talk my wife into letting me buy a video camera and record my strokes and post them here. Looks like you're wrist is starting to heal pretty well.
     
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    It only hurts now when I pronate/supinate, so I can do most things, except I can't hit forehands. My forehand is about 35%. I have absolutely no strength to roll the racquet over/bring it up the back of the ball, so I drop it down out of the loop and can't bring it back up and through.

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    It looks like you got a good and fluid motion there. And the toss look great for both 1st and 2nd's.

    Other than that I would like to see some better videos :) Such as side angel, maybe from behind, and a better view of balls when they land.
     
  20. J011yroger

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    Well if you wanna see me better, you will see the ball land worse, if you see the ball better, you will see me worse. But as I said above I will experiment with some different views on the serve.

    J
     
  21. tennisace432

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    could you please explain further about getting tight spin on the bh???

    when you see someone hitting with good pace on the bh but it's flat, what's the first thing you think is wrong?? i can upload a vid if you want

    i agree about the video footage is bad. we already know you can hit the ball well, try putting the camera closer to you maybe at a side or back angle so we can see your technique better.
     
  22. J011yroger

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    Well, that is the best I can do without more info from you. Did you try hitting with your left hand in a SW lefty forehand grip and both hands bunched down at the bottom of the racquet, and hitting the ball further out in front of you with deep knee bend and heavy shoulder turn?

    If so what were your results/how did you feel?

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  23. Solat

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    i think the motion at the top of your swing is good, i think you would benefit from more leg drive. Get into the court sunshine! :D
     
  24. Ultra2HolyGrail

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    The sampras serve is VERY hard to copy. Mcenroe had a similar serve thats also hard to copy. Alot of body rotation and their motion is never moving backwards or stationary, always forward with a ton of body rotation.. To many people think they can just toss the ball, copy the trophy pose, and be able to pull it off.
     
  25. lawrence

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    id say youd be a 2.0 at best, if your wrists were fixed
    right now you're probably 1.5

    LOL
     
  26. J011yroger

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    Moreso than in the first serves video? Or did you only watch the 2nd serves video?

    I used to hit Cowabunga first serves where I tossed deep into the court and landed 3-4 feet inside the baseline, still do occasionally, but certainly didn't trust it this day. But I have certainly calmed it down a bit.

    I can try to get some on video if you would like.

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    Wow. Well said, J011yroger. I don't think you could have handled AJK1's last post any better.


    I'd say your videos display high-level strokes. I can't say whether they're technically perfect because I have no idea how a technically perfect stroke looks. But they look pretty good to me.

    The main reason I'm posting is in regard to the two-handed backhand. I hit with a two-hander, and for me it's a relatively limited shot. Lately I've been experimenting with a one-hander simply because I feel like I can easily control the angle, direction, and topspin on every ball, and I don't always have that feeling with the two-hander. I have a lot of trouble hitting down the line with pace, and just with generating pace in general. It's also difficult for me to generate a high level of topspin. What it does very well is return serve and defend against incoming shots with high pace.

    My question is, do you have any advice for practicing the two-hander? Are there any good methods that you know of beyond using a ball machine or having a coach to feed balls? What sorts of things should I be concentrating on? The problem that I run into when I start thinking about the shot is that the active thought seems to inhibit the synergy of my two hands. If I try to get more of an upward stroke using a more extreme grip with the left, I feel like my right is pulling through the shot too strongly. Or if I try to do more with the right, then the left simply feels like it's getting in the way (and it's that feeling that has me experimenting with one hand). Basically, if there's anything you can say that you think would help in mastering the two-handed backhand, I'm all ears, because mine hasn't really improved very much in a while.
     
  28. J011yroger

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    Thanks, you just have to try to see where everyone is comming from. If you notice that the better players here, Sydney Jim, Serveitup911, Tonlars, etc. don't go around spouting about how good they are, and talking down about others games. Because they understand exactly how hard it is to get to that level, and they have the creds to show how good a player they are, they don't have to convince anyone.

    I have tons of advice for hitting a two hander, I have to go out now, but I have tomorrow off from work so I will write you a good long post on it.

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  29. VolklVenom

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    J011yroger, the man with no face, LOL.
    Seriously, these clips only show a hint of what your strokes are like. You can't see the ball, its flight. You would be hard pressed to say anything constructive.
    When you did your backhand strokes, alot of people said how bad the camera angle was, but the serves are filmed in the same manner ????? C'mon!
    I know you like the angles, but do you understand that in order to see the path of the ball you need to film from behind?
     
  30. AJK1

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    Ok, something constructive:
    It would be helpful to all concerned if posters posted videos of themselves hitting balls showing the whole path of the ball from racquet to other side and beyond, not just a distant image of themselves hitting what looks like a tennis ball and then it disappears out of shot. Then we could be serious about critiquing these jokers, OK?
     
  31. TonLars

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    Very nice backhands and serves J. Youve definitely got the talent to keep improving, especially considering you have been out so long because of your injuries. Not many people can just get to your level having not played for many many years, people need to realize that too. It also sounds from what ive read that youve got the determination and mental toughness. Good luck to ya!
     
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    Thanks man.

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    Sounds like we need a dedicated thread called 'J011yroger camera work inventory' just so you guys can knock yourselves out having a go at his camera work. Geez, give the guy a break, tennis is his passion, not cinematography! He's posted these videos voluntarily and all these armchair critics are having a go at everything from his strokes, his so-called ego right down to his camera work.

    Keep it up J, I'm finding your videos quite useful.
     
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    j011yroger,
    i looked at the vids and read through the thread so far and it just confirmed what i always supposed - you know what you are doing. since you are determined to improve you are also aware that you are not perfect, but you also very well know what issues to address to, so i don't feel the urge to reapeat what you already know because you already posted it in this thread.

    i would nevertheless would like, if you permit, to make some suggestions regarding camera angle - while it may be interesting for others to be able to follow the ball so that they get a sense of the result of your stroke, this is of almost no help for you. i may digress a little bit, but i have done/had done some video analysis of my strokes some 20something years ago and have recently purchased a nice sony camera to track my son with. the most informative views for any strokes are from the lateral and from directly behind. thus you can assert your contact point and swingpath much better. if you go into taping some game, definitely the best angle would be from behind, but that is difficult to accomplish without anybody doing the camera work. with such an angle you could see your strokepatterns and courtpositioning.

    i hope your wrist is getting better by the day. be careful!
     
  35. BravoRed691

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    I agree with Garbage...and im sure you're not losing too much sleep over all those camera work messages. I would also like to see the serves from another angle so that i can learn from them and to see how devastating im sure they really are. Keep posting but not at the expense of your wrist like others have said.

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    Damnit Jim! I am a tennis player not a cinematographer!

    Seriously though. I thought that angle would be best for point play because I put the camera in the corner where it would be least succeptable to damage (I can get a little rambunctious out there lol) and would get a full view of the court. I didn't really expect quality to be so bad, and this is my first time using the camera, so I don't really know anything about it, kind of trial and error.

    Since I am not doing point play, I will experiment with putting it closer, and trying side and back angles I was kind of afraid that putting it too close wouldn't get all of me in the pic. (Who wants to watch some headless guy hit backhands?)

    I am a digital photography hobbiest, (Got a D70, but have not really spent much time with it.) but you couldn't fill a shotglass with what I know about video (My basic tactic is push the red button and hope for the best).

    With any luck the quality will be better when I shoot from closer, and maybe the back view will find its way into the ladies only thread!

    J
     
  37. canadianboy22

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    your ball toss seems to be a tiny little bit high but you have probably been using it for a while right? so what evver is comfortable to you but from personal experience i find that the lower the toss the harder it is to read your serve, but i find that you have a very nice service motion even with a sprained wrist, and on your backhand you kind of turn your left thumb down to close the face to generate more spin right because thats what i do but how do u flatten it out on your backhand just curious? And about that fool ajk1 he's just trying to push everyones buttons so pay no attention to him, he's obviously insecure about his abilities and likes to poke fun of other people to gain some sort of confidence in himself. anyways you look like a very talented player and do you live in minnesota?
     
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    Yea, my ball toss is very high, lots of my friends make fun of me for it, and several coaches have tried to get me to lower it but I don't feel comfortable with the lower toss. When I am serving well I keep the hitting arm down and don't start my swing until the toss has peaked. I was not doing that in these vids which is why I say my toss timing was off, that pause of the racquet head in/around the trophy position should not be there, it should be one fluid swing.

    I agree with that, my serve, and game in general are not based on deception. When I was younger I had a lower ball toss, and hit about 6 different serves off of the same toss. I was like the Mike Mussina of serving. I never played juniors, so when I was 14 I was hitting with college kids, and grown men, and an 85mph heater wouldn't get the job done against them, so I relied on deception, I was a total junk dealer.

    Now that I am bigger, and serve bigger, I still change speeds and change spins, but it is the effectiveness of the serves rather than the deception that makes it work. When my serve is hopping, it is dominant at the open level, and on days that I don't have that A+ serve I usually have enough variety and guile to keep myself in the match.

    People tell me that outdoors it is very hard to pick the ball up off of my high toss, but I could definately see it being easier to read indoors.

    My serving frame of mind is generally "Here it comes, hit it if you can." not "Ok I am gonna sneak this one past him."

    When I am inside the court and want to flatten the ball out for a forcing shot or winner, I spread my hands apart, moving my left hand up the grip, and rotate it to a more eastern grip, shorten up the swing, and focus on just being quick through the hitting zone. More of a compact flatter open push swing.

    No, I live in NY, long island. We have a little group on the boards :). http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=83412

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    The problems you mainly describe lacking pace, direction, and spin, are usually attributed to your upper body, and your arms being out of sync. If your chest is flying open which often happens when they are trying to generate pace, your arms will lag behind, and you will be prone to spraying balls, as well as being robbed of pace. If you are arming the stroke, with your upper body too still which is often the case when switching for a one hander, or tightening up and trying to gain control and direction, your arms will fight each other, and you will be more slapping the ball, and underutilizing the main source of power for the twohander.

    Concentrate on being loose, and being smooth, that is where power comes from.

    Stand in front of a large mirror, and SLOWLY go through your two handed swing, focus on keeping your arms and upper body in synch with each other. Repeat picking up speed with each swing, 20 or so swings until you are at full speed. Look in the mirror, you don't want your arms comming forward before your body, you don't want your chest flying open ahead of your arms. Smoothness and harmony.

    Square stance is the easiest to learn with, and what you learn in the square stance you can later translate into the open stance. Now when you are in the square stance, take back your racquet evenly balanced, and then SHIFT your weight onto your front (Right) leg. All of it. You want a nice deep knee bend with all of your weight on your front foot, and your nice heavy shoulder turn with your right shoulder facing the oncomming ball. You are going to force up with your front leg and uncoil your body smoothly, driving through the ball. Watch my back foot in the video, see how I come up on the toe of my back foot, that should make it obvious that there is no weight on the back foot.

    That weight shift and square stance will help you a ton with hitting down the line with pace. Also, though it may sound silly to have to mention this, when you are going to drive one down the line, make sure the ball is far enough away from you to drive. On your cross court shot, the ball will be farther out in front of you, and closer in to your belly button. When you are gonna flatten one out to smoke it down the line, you want it a little further back in the hitting zone and a little further away from your belly button. You want to be able to extend your arms to drive the ball down the line. NOT be reaching for it mind you, but comfortably extend your arms. If you hit the ball in too close to your belt buckle you will handcuff yourself and find it extremely difficult to drive the ball down the line.

    Footwork is paramount, tennis is about putting yourself in position to do good things.

    As far as your arms feeling like they are fighting each other both arms should move in concert. Think about standing with your feet not moving, turning to your left and picking up a basketball off the ground then rotating to your right and all the while holding the basketball out in front of you not with your arms locked, but comfortably extended, and placing the basketball on a shelf to your right about eye level.

    See how your arms move together? If your right arm moves ahead of your left, you will drop the ball, and if your left arm tries to push while your right arm is not moving as fast, you will squeeze the ball, and effort will be wasted.

    Now when you are going for heavy topspin, your hands are going to push against each other slightly to whip the racquet, with your right hand serving as the fulcrum. This is very very slight though, mostly in the wrists.

    Don't think about swinging upward to generate top, just swing through the ball, start below it, finish over it. When you start to get the good whip on your stroke the heavy top will come naturally. Don't try to force it just be loose and smooth, and let it come naturally. Don't focus on pace and spin at first, focus on being loose and smooth, the pace and spin will come, I promise.

    J
     
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    Hey, thanks man. That's a great post with a lot of information. It's a lot to digest at once, so I think I'll have to come back to it a few times. Definitely some things I can try to work on there. I think the main thing that I need is to find the smooth motion that you mention; right now mine can be very jerky at times, like I'm pulling through it too abruptly and not really allowing the ball to get into the strings as much as it needs to. I don't think I'm going to play today, but I'll see if I can use some of your advice when I play tomorrow. Thanks again, and keep the videos coming. I'm sure I'm not the only one who appreciates them.
     
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    <Mod Mode> TT-ers please don't quote the Trolling, Baiting and Bad Language posts ... cuz we Mods have to zap your posts, too. </Mod Mode>

    Jolly, thanks for putting up the clips. That high toss. the wind (See the far wind screen blowing?) and "rust" would be my explanation for the "hitches" in your Service Motion.

    About the camera work, for the watchers: I used to teach and now I coach. I don't care about where the ball goes when I'm viewing video of an advance player like the OP. I'm watching for footwork, timing, swing path, kinetic chain, etc. You folks would be better served watching these factors, too, IMO.

    - KK
     
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    Nice post regarding the 2HBH, J.
     
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    J011yroger, do you have any advice in this thread about how to develop a 1hbh from scratch? I don't want to ask you to rewrite something out, so that's why I'm asking.
     
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    Thanks, I try.

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    I only hit one handed slice, I mean, I can hit a passable enough one handed drive to coach, and teach basics, but as far as in depth technical description, I am sure there are other high level coaches with one handers who are better suited to give you technical support.

    If you have questions about topspin, pace, western/strong semi FH, 2HBH, pull strokes, kick serves, or offensive all-court play. Then I am your boy.

    On one handers though, I will yield the floor.

    J
     
  46. zapvor

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    i just saw the serve videos. very nice. the thing that stuck out for me though-it looks like your serving arm has a weird/jerky follow through that sort of just snaps down in front of your body instead of following down off to the side. maybe its the camera angle or something. cant you just stick it behind you instead of at a odd angle?
     
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    j011yroger,
    how is your wrist doing? hope it's well in the mean time.
     
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    Yea, I am gonna take some more vids and play with side/rear view.

    As far as the followthrough stopping in front of me, that is not good, it should be looser and more natural comming around the side. I was definately stiff that day.

    You can see that I even made mention of that.

    J
     
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    It is getting better by the day, I am back to hitting a bit, and hit forehands for the first time on Sat.

    I would say my FH is at 65% and everything else is 80%+.

    I am thinkin one more week to be back up to speed.

    J
     
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    j011yroger,
    good to hear. be cautious, don't push it, just rise the load little by little on the fh.
     

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