Jack Nicklaus: Tennis quick, cheap, and easy

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  1. FrontHeadlock

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    These days, the 73-year-old Nicklaus spends most of his recreation time on the tennis court instead of the golf course. He said tennis is everything that golf is not for the casual player: quick, inexpensive and easy to learn.

    Nicklaus said golf is losing patrons because it takes too long to play, is difficult to pick up and can be costly.

    "We're losing people and need to find a way to stop that," he said.


    http://espn.go.com/golf/story/_/id/9697353/jack-nicklaus-says-tiger-woods-facing-tougher-competition

    Funny that Nicklaus is commenting on how quick, cheap and easy tennis is to learn compared to golf, when a lot of us like to mention the opposite as three of the problems tennis is facing.
     
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  2. sureshs

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    So Nicklaus has finally decided to take up sports?
     
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    I agree with Nicklaus, quick, cheap and easy.....at the recreational/amateur level. Even at the amateur level, try to maintain that yearly membership at the tennis club to play on decent courts, start to pay for private lessons to get better, pay court fee's, change your strings reasonably often, buy a few spare frames, not so cheap anymore... Then try to put your kid into a development program and start paying for the travelling, the tournament fee's etc...IF he reaches the ATP, definitely not cheap.
     
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  5. Phoenix1983

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    Jack Nicklaus is the GOAT of his sport.

    Thus, like Federer, we should respect his words.
     
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    hear hear

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  7. ollinger

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    concur with Jack.....I know so many guys who took up both sports as adults, and all have become pretty good at tennis but still struggle with golf.
     
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    I love tennis it really is an awesome sport to play, you could go ultra competitive and exhausting but even at advanced ages you could still play casually and it will give you a health boost.
     
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  9. sureshs

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    Which sport is that?

    In one of the threads, we had converged on the definition of sport:

    1. Must involve direct competition, where direct need not mean simultaneous in time, but close together in time (allows long jump, high jump, pole vault, golf, archery, but not scaling Everest)
    2. Must be a physical activity (no chess, spelling bee, carroms)
    3. Must not be equipment dominated (no car racing)

    Golf relies on the exception clause of #1 (players not competing simultaneously against each other, but within a short period) and is rather weak on #2. So it is very iffy as a sport.
     
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    Kinda unfair - Jack has been a HUGE tennis fan since he was a kid. Had custom tennis courts built at his homes and even way back in the 70s Tennis magazine had a lead story about his love of tennis - almost to the point of preferring it to golf.
     
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  11. sureshs

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    I meant professionally. I am a huge fan of tennis and can bagel Nicklaus, but I am not considered a professional tennis player.
     
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    He's. It only a Fan but a pretty darn good player, his father was a very strong player and won some small events - Jack himself was a strong Jr player and I would say he's at least a 5.0 - seen him at some tennis corporate events and he could have played D1 back in his day.
     
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    Compared to golf, I imagine anything would be quick, cheap and easy. I'd say that squash would beat tennis on all three fronts though. Games last 40 minutes, it is probably the easiest sport to pick up and not feel terrible at and all the gear and membership fees are lower than tennis.
     
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    tennis is certainly not a cheap sport even though it might be compared to golf.

    it also depends on the level. competitive tennis is very expensive and hard to learn but just doing an occasional hack at the weekend is quite cheap and easy while this is harder to do in golf (it is expensive and you cannot play it at all without some basic skills because you would hit the ball sideways or plow the ground if you just pick a club up without some formal training.
     
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    Tennis is cheap to play. Get a $40 raquet, $4 for a can of balls, local park for a tennis court... you're set for the summer.

    You wanna get really serious about it, expensive raquet every year, joining a club, lessons with pro, then you can be talking big bucks.
     
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  16. sureshs

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    Squash/racketball can be quite dangerous
     
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    That's because you can rely more on being an athlete with tennis. If you haven't learned the muscle memory of golf strokes by the time you are an adult, you'll need to dedicate a lot of time, money and effort to learn them.

    By the same token, there are plenty of fat guys who play golf really well, yet if you matched up a fat guy with good tennis strokes with a fitter guy with as good or slightly worse strokes, it would be a bloodbath.

    The other thing that makes tennis seem easier is that you're playing against a player and not a course. So you play against someone around your level, or the person playing you can play to your level so that it's fun and competitive. With golf, you need to be at a certain level on any course, or else it isn't fun for anyone.
     
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    In Arizona there are plenty of free tennis courts, mostly at the schools. But there are also a lot of municipal facilities that charge a fee. It costs $4 for an hour and a half. Splitting that two ways, or four ways, and come on, that's pretty cheap. A golfer need a whole set of clubs, but for tennis you need just one racket. And it is possible to find a nice, oversize, racket fairly cheap that is good enough for a beginning player.

    You can take lessons if you're really serious about it, but if you just want to keep a rally going, you can figure that out for yourself just with some practice. Almost anybody can afford to have tennis for a hobby, IMO.
     
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    Golf is more expensive than tennis what are you talking about?
     
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    Yes golf is more expensive than tennis. That could also mean lesser competition since it excludes a portion of the talent pool. As far as tennis being inexpensive goes, that is a joke. It's expensive in developing countries like India(speaking from personal experience), maybe not so much in the developed 1st world countries.

    But he skipped the part where retired sportsmen take up golf as a hobby, old burly men swinging a club enjoying some chips n bourbon. :lol:
     
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    "I can bagel Nicklaus"...this may be the quintessential TT comment of all time
     
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    So you can bagel a 5.0 ?
     
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    You misinterpreted what he meant. His comment about tennis was not that it is easy to play well, rather that it's easy to play well enough to enjoy. The skill required just to get around any standard golf course is beyond most people.

    The time aspect of it also a big factor which he is right about. Golf takes too long - in most of the world you can't fit a round of golf in after work before it gets too dark. Tennis you can easily and the courts can also be lit.
     
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    Golf used to be not so expensive and not take as long... Back in the day we used to play cheap public courses, everyone walked and 18 holes took a little over 4Hrs to play.. Enter Tiger.. golf exploded in popularity, new courses went up everywhere but prices increased at an unsustainable pace, $500+ drivers (single club) became the norm and no one can seem to complete a round in under 5Hrs. Worst of all... common courtesy, etiquette and respect went out the window...

    Jack has a point but there are a LOT of other problems with golf.
     
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    Tennis is cheap for wealthy people like Nicklaus, maybe. It is certainly not a cheap sport to take up.
     
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    He's right. It's relatively cheap for casual players. A common racket cost around $30 and balls vary from 5 to 10 bucks. The hard thing can be tennis courts. In the US it may be easy to find available courts but that's not generally true. Even casual players that pick the cheapest equipment can play better than those that spend hundreds of dollars in rackets that "experts" advice to use. In golf, I don't think there are cheap clubs at all. Maybe stolen... xD
     
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  28. checkmilu

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    I'm playing both sports and to me Jack is absolutely right @ recreational level.
    Quick: you can play a set or two of tennis in an hour any day. Golf you need at least 4.5 hours
    Cheap: golf balls, lessons, court hire are all more expensive in golf.
    Easy: tennis is intuitive, golf is counter intuitive e.g. hit down the ball to get it airborne ( you may not understand if you haven't played golf)

    For those who think golf is not a sport:
    1. Direct competition: this mindset means boxing and wrestling are sports but not tennis. In golf the main aspect is mental game and it's extremely competitive: who drive the ball farther and more accurate affect the other players, who get on the green first, who putt better ...it's direct competition when you really compete. If you have never competed in golf matches you will not understand.
    2. Physical activity: to the the ball in the hole in 4 strokes on a par 4 needs a lot of energy and effort and accuracy. At amateur level, you still can have fun with tennis when you are a bit tired but in golf if you are a bit tired the ball will find the trees and water all the time and it's very frustrated. Tiger Woods is the best golfer because he is the strongest physically, Tiger has the fitness and stamina of Nafal and the touch of Federer. Golf is so physically demanding that Tiger has so many injuries: ankle, knee, and now back injuries.

    So yes, golf is a great sport, it's just very different from tennis for the outsiders.
     
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    I can tell you that tennis is also expensive in 1st world countries, using Australia as an example. Hourly rates for court hire range from $18-$40. Most of the courts are artificial grass which are garbage to play on. You can pay $30 an hour and still play on courts that are not well maintained.
     
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    Well there you go then. Tennis is quite cheap in the US, like where I live all I need is a tennis racquet, a pack of tennis balls and a hitting partner. Courts are everywhere and no charge. Now it's a different thing if nobody wants to play with you but that's besides the point. :lol:
     
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    Everything is cheap compared to golf. Those course fees are hella expensive!
     
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    Pick up a $20 raquet from Kmart, pull a couple balls out of a ditch, public court.... you're all set.

    After paying for clubs golf isn't really that expensive. About $14 to play on a decent public course, walking. If you suck you could lose a lot of golf balls at about a buck apiece. Buy crappy used balls at 50ยข each. Does take 4-5 hours to play, depending on how slow the group in front of you are.
     
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    The most expensive part of golf for amateurs , IMHO, is that you want to play at different courts: nice courts would cost you hundreds of dollars green fee, golf cart, plus travel, accommodation, etc.
     
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    Think about these "costs" and "perspectives." Can't wait to hear the comments...

    Golf courses are extremely expensive to build and maintain (land, man power, equipment, gas, chemicals, and water).

    Good thing is golf helps some people see, enjoy, and appreciate nature to some degree. If they appreciate it then they might help it and protect it. However, you don't have to have a golf course to do that and to some degree golf impacts nature and the environment (much more than tennis).

    Golf creates lots of blue collar and high school student jobs. Tennis courts don't create as many jobs.

    I like tennis as a more sustainable sport for individuals and for society (hate that I am sounding philosophical, but this is part of it).

    Tennis also helps us stay in shape. Great that we are free and that we have so many sports that all have their pros and cons...for me, tennis has very few cons, if any (all I can think of is some joint stress, but there is probably more joint improvement).

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    I have played both sports at a decent amateur level (more golf than tennis though).

    Golf is significantly more expensive and I spend a good bit on tennis equipment. The green fees and balls eat you up and in Alabama there are plenty of good public hard courts that are free. LifeTime and YMCA have some great tennis and gym facilities for great values versus a golf club. Public golf is pretty high unless you have a good muni course (Austin, TX).

    Practicing tennis is also much easier because there aren't many good public driving ranges and practice facilities in most areas (not economically feasible due to urban land prices).
     
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    My money's on Jack in that match, even at 73 and on an artificial hip. I would even take Jack vs LeeD, who I know could bagel you, Bionic One!
     
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    In addition to green fees ($70+ for a decent course), add in the cost of quality iron + driver + wood (looking upwards of $800+) and balls.

    Tennis can be played for peanuts in US (many public courts).
     
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    Most of you who think golf takes too long, has no redeeming physical side-effects and is too expensive probably aren't aware of one-club golf or its ultra-fitness cousin Speed Golf. Both of these adjusted games of golf have world championships and have thousands of participants who are sick of the problems endemic of "social golf".

    One-club golf, as the name implies, requires you carry just one club, walk the course and shoot as low a score as possible. The world record is a "70". The gentleman finished his round in less than two hours, using a trusty six-iron on his 18th hole for a birdie 3 and the record.

    Speed Golf is a bit different...you are rewarded by good stroke play AND quickness so most players carry between 4 and 7 clubs, walk and/or run the course. The world record is a round of 65 shot in 44 minutes for an aggregate score of 109.

    If you're taking up the game, don't try Speed Golf. One-club golf is much better as you will learn all the ways to hit the same club for differing results. Then move on to Speed Golf.

    Many golf courses are open to players of either game but NOT in prime time demand parts of their hours...think mid-week mid-day!
     
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    That doesn't mean anything when they don't talk about their field of expertise.
     
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    How much do golf cubs cost?

    How much are greens fees?
     
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    Not only is tennis a great sport to keep you fit and healthy but it's a great way to pick up the ladies. I've lost count the number of times when I tell women that I play tennis, they're always remark how they would like to pick up the game. I just reply by offering them free lessons in exchange for a dinner date or drinks ;)
     
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    You should be able to do that with other sports, including golf, I guess. ;)
     
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    He is 100% with regards to golf's problems. Don't know what your point is? I see people pointing to different issues tennis is facing. Mostly the boring rallies precipitated by the slow surfaces and the horrible officiating allowing some to dictate the speed of play to the detriment of our enjoyment of the sport.
     
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    I'm surprised so many are agreeing with him....

    Cheap?? If you find an old racket in your garage, dig up some balls your dog buried, and your town actually has public courts, maybe. Otherwise you're looking at $30 minimum for an awful racket, $6 for balls, and $20+ court time. That's almost $60 for a first time player just to hit a ball around.

    Easy?? I've never played golf so I won't compare the two, but do you guys remember what it was like playing the first few times, especially with another amateur? You can keep the ball in court after awhile, but its a few months before you're actually playing tennis.

    Quick? Not sure what that's referring to. I guess you can play tennis at a go as long as you want, compared to 9 or 18 holes of golf. OK. 1/3.
     
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    See what you did? ;)
     
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    I think older folks are taking up pickleball more than tennis. The municipality renovated some run down tennis courts around here and turned them into pickleball courts instead. The way tennis has been allowed to go as far as physical difficulty is likely offputting for older folks.
     
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    Do you know how much modern (made within the last few yrs) golf clubs cost? One can spend $400 on a driver and $200 on a putter. You can buy 1 yr old pro level tennis racquets for $100 on the large auction site. Green fees have gone through the roof; there are plenty of free public tennis courts in most metropolitan areas. And by 'quick' golf has a huge problem with pace of play. While amateur tennis player's 3 set matches are 2 hrs or less, an average golf round is probably over 4.5 hrs and in many places over 5. Players refuse to play from the tees that align with their skill level, don't know the rules/etiquette of play (aren't ready to play when it's there turn or how to have their foursome play optimally), are playing for money and thus slow down to analyze every stroke.

    And the golf swing is very complicated - a clubface that is a few degrees too open/closed can lead to a disastrous shot further slowing down play as the ball has to be found in the rough/trees. Whereas in tennis many people get along just fine with short simple strokes.
     
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    No wonder I like tennis so much. It's just like my girlfriends.
     
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    Jack Nicklaus was my favorite pro golfer, bar none. The 1984 Masters was awesome to watch. I'm not a serious golfer or golf fan by any means, but back then I was watching a lot of golf with Nicklaus, Trevino, Watson, Irwin, Crenshaw, Miller, Ballesteros, Stadler, Floyd all contesting for the big titles. I used to watch for Jack Nicklaus a lot as he was such a class act. He was extremely talented/skilled and an extremely intelligent player, with some serious determination and a great mindset. He has always been a big tennis fan as gavna mentioned and he actually knows pro tennis extremely well in terms of discussing styles and strategy. I love hearing him on the Tennis Channel once in a while.
     
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  50. smoledman

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    There is nothing cheap and easy about tennis. It's quick to take up, but the racquets cost money, court time costs money and coaches cost money. Not to mention you have to be in excellent physical condition.
     
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