Jack Sock's past & future?

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  1. hound 109

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    Jack Sock plays Roddick in what may be a passing of the torch.

    I know a little about him.....would like to know more. Especially in regards to his Junior career. What i know:

    - Although born in Nebraska (which the media focuses on), he's lived & trained in greater Kansas City.
    - Dude WENT to HS (& won the multiple State HS championships).
    - His coach is Mike Wolf (I assume Sock works out at the tennis academy of the same name) from Overland Park KS.
    - Started tennis at age 8. (not sure where)
    - Great forehand, serve & an ok 2 handed backhand.
    - Comes to the net more often than most.
    - Great smile....seems to have a good attitude.
    - Won multiple USTA National Championships at age 12, age 16 & 18. (not sure what happened at age 14?)

    Interesting that:

    - obviously no QS.
    - Not a USTA training center dude. (correct me if i'm wrong)
    - Not a home-schooled dude.
    - Not a FL or SoCal dude.
    - Considered Nebraska, Oklahoma & Texas....but decided to go pro.

    How'd he do it?

    - Where (& how) did he train from 9-12 that got him to be the best in the country?

    - Was he a banger (or a pusher) at age 10-12?

    - Why didn't he go to Boca?

    - When did he move to Overland Park?

    - Why did he go to HS (& play HS tennis?)

    - How many hours a day (or week) did he train to become the top US kid at age 17?



    - Is he a future Top 10 player?

    - What racquet does he play with?

    - Is he buddies with Harrison? Enemies? Will they be the #1 & #2 US players in 2014?

    If anyone has info or wants to add comments on this former Junior Champion, please do.

    Thanks.

    :)
     
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    Sock is a great argument for keeping your child in "regular school", not home schooled and playing on the high school team.

    He is the 1% of 1% to make it as a pro.

    Normal childhood=staying in school!
     
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    He will win at least 1 wimbledon and 1 US open.
     
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    So how do the other if they failed to become pro.
    This mean once the choice done (to become pro), they are no other choice ?
    That is dangerous.

    For Sock if he passed 9 to 3 everyday, it is not high school
     
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    no he broke his foot(???)when was in the 14s ,he was on the mend for a long ,long time...
     
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    Exactly, his normal was lots of classes done on the road, etc. He wasn't sitting in Mr. Kotter's class shooting spitballs.

    There is no formula, some kids leave for academies, some partially, some raised by obsessed dads.....the money making pros are represented by all kinds of backgrounds. Sock worked hard and has lots of tennis talent. But he certainly does not prove that the road to the pros is paved by living a perfectly normal childhood either.
     
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    Thanks for all the comments.

    I doubt he practiced daily with his HS (most 4 star & above players don't)....but are you saying he didn't attend class?

    Does anyone else have confirmation that Sock didn't attend HS? (or did he come to school from 8am - 1:30 or 2pm & then go train for a few hours like high level players elsewhere??)

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    Thanks for this info. When i googled his name there was an article from (i think) 2007 or 2008 saying he had been dominant in 12s & had never been higher than the 200s in 14s.....then had just won a 16s national tourney. But the article never mentioned why.

    I also had wondered if he decided to work on a bigger better game during those two years.
     
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    Tomorrow, we will be watching Jack Sock on television playing at the US Open...
    I think that sentence in itself speaks volumes about his tennis ability...

    So, I am not knocking him by writing this,
    but I think there is enough stress on high school tennis kids
    without a parent thinking to themselves....
    Oh, Jack Sock WENT TO HIGH SCHOOL AND IS AN AMAZING PLAYER.
    Why not my kid?

    (Quotes are taken from different news articles)

    "Sock estimates that he has missed “35 or 36” days of school this semester —
    even more than last semester, when he attended the first days of classes,
    but then left for 18 days straight to play in a tournament."

    "Jack's tennis schedule was so heavy last fall and winter,
    he missed more school than he attended when the high school season arrived in March. "

    At my son's school, you may not leave before 4:00 pm even if you were in the Junior Olympics...
    You are allowed to miss 10 days of school a year,
    and not a day more ( so flu, stomach virus, surgeries, funerals, have to fit into ten days).

    "State association guidelines mandate a minimum enrollment in five classes.
    Sock currently takes six, including:

    English
    Reading Lab
    Marketing and Rec Team Sports. "

    Now compare with other high school juniors course load:
    ( and yes, this varies, but is representative of many kids)

    AP Calc or AP Statistics
    AP Chem or AP Bio or AP Physics
    Honors Spanish IV
    AP Literature
    AP US Gov
    Latin 3

    And, at my son's school, if you play on your high school school tennis team, you may not miss practice. Period.
    If you choose to use part of your ten days above to play the Easter Bowl,
    well you can't... because you can't miss the high school tennis team practice.


    I think Jack Sock's high school experience is an anomaly.
     
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    You're missing my point. Unless your child is truly a freak of nature, then just keep them in a traditional school.

    My daughter is on a scholarship to a D1 Socal school. She went to public school, won two CIF high school championships (similar to state championship) and played all the L1-3 nat'l junior tournaments.

    If Sock's high school experience was not "realistic", then how did he graduate with a high school diploma?
     
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    What I have learned from this website ( besides tennis info) is that every state's school is different.

    But, if your child is taking 4- 5 AP and 2 honor classes,
    you really can't miss that much school anyway....
     
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    Ha, great player, but lets not act like he had a traditional high school experience. It never got in the way of his tennis. Sure he missed plenty of school. Come on now, he was not exactly rocking high school which isn't very hard anyway in Kansas anyway. Even his coach says his grades are just okay and is basically saying he ain't into all that fancy book learnin....which means he just did what was needed to graduate....in Kansas, where they are very sure the world was formed 6000 years ago. They most likely passed him because he won them tennis championships.

    From the Kansas City Star:

    http://www.kansascity.com/2011/05/13/2873353/bv-norths-sock-has-been-a-smash.html

    "Sock estimates that he has missed “35 or 36” days of school this semester"

    "he attended the first days of classes but then left for 18 days straight to play in a tournament."

    "The school also has no rule stipulating that student-athletes attend a certain number of days to be eligible to participate in sports. Completion of assignments, not physical attendance, is considered most important."

    "“He’s probably not going to woo you with the number of books he’s read,” Wolf says. “His grades are OK."
     
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    What kind of statement is that?

    What makes them different?

    last I looked they have the same coaches as boys, play on the same courts, play the same tournaments, are ranked the same way
     
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    kid looks like he's got a big serve, some wheels and decent forehand. He should be able to hold his own in the pros.
     
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    Girls grow and mature much earlier than boys. Their path is different because of this.
     
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    What is "path/track", yes they mature earlier than boys, it just means that their "path/track" starts earlier than boys.
     
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    When Sock was between 9-12 he played at the Racquet Club in Lincoln, Nebraska. I go to that club, and a couple of the pros there now coached him when he was younger. One of the college girls who now works hit with him when they were little, said even when he was only 8 he could ace her almost everytime..
     
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    The problem for both girls and boys is that so many available scholarships go to foreign students.

    Why it's tough for our kids to get scholarhips, look at New Mexico State's men's and women's team, 100% foreigners!
     
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    http://www.nmstatesports.com/SportSelect.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=1900&SPID=599&SPSID=9896

    There's one American. I understand the foreigner beef. But look at the whole picture, how many in state 4, 5 star and Blue Chips recruits are available to fill the rosters for both NM State and NM?

    Between New Mexico State and New Mexico I see 3 American kids on the 4 rosters from the state of New Mexico. http://www.golobos.com/

    Maybe quota limitations would help. If implemented I foresee unintended consequences surfacing as a result. For states like New Mexico, Nebraska, Utah, Wyoming, Montana and other sparsely populated tennis playing states it's totally unrealistic to think that unqualified D1 athletes should be gifted athletic scholarships and then will contribute to a competitive D1 team.

    New Mexico St. and New Mexico women's tennis are great examples of schools with few Americans on their roster. I'd love to hear from their coaches how easy it is to get 4, 5 star and Blue Chips to even give them the time of day.

    Put in quota limitations and you'll start to see the same two or three schools win the NCAA's year in and year out.

    I still contend if a kid really wants to play college tennis there's a school out there for them that is a fit. Not every American tennis playing kid is going to play at the school of their choice.

    Broken record...........Not sure what this has to do with Jack Sock.
     
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    Personally, Im predicting a win for Jack over Andy Roddick tonight. Should be a good match at least.
     
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    Yea that was funny. Both of them had their hands on their chins as though ...... lol
     
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    What a collection, the USTA boys sitting courtside pretending they had anything to do with the discovery or development of Sock or Harrison, and our broadcasters Pat Mac who pretends to run player development as one of his 1000 jobs, and Johnny Mac who is going to make the next champ from rich kids in upper class Manhattan.

    My guess says the next American male grand slam winner won't have a thing to do with any of them.
     
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    yep. I agree with that. Pat mac should just stick to commentating. It was embarrassing when he was pretending...... as if we don't know
     
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    You're being generous. P-Mac should stick to being quiet as most of what he says is either obvious or stupid.
     
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    I'm curious...so how are they pretending? Is it the way they dress? Sit? Converse?

    Do you really think there is zero interaction between Sock & Berger? I've recently seen Sock working down at USTA but it doesn't matter, the kid can play regardless of who's working with him.

    Like em or not, both P-Mac and J-Mac are good for American tennis.
     
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    Would ya'll have been happier if 2 American men were playing each other in Ashe and Higueras + Berger DIDN'T show up?? Jeezus... I wonder what you would have said then. Sounds like you've got to find a better way to channel your frustrations or you are going to have a heart attack.
     
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    They were pretending to be involved with Sock and it was disgusting. Their boss Pat was saying how they ran out of room in Sock's players box....as if they should have been there? Pat Mac tries to hitch his coaches onto any young American AFTER they have success to justify the insane waste of money.

    Total garbage. High performance is a bust and always has been. A total waste of millions. They had ZERO to do with Sock. And in fact had he gone to them at age 14 he would have probably not ended up where he is today.

    Pat Mac has no clue, nor does the USTA. Together they damage US tennis by tossing money down rat holes, they don't help it.

    If you think Sock would have the touch and net play and free flowing creativity he has today if he had left Wolf and gone to USTA high performance than you are wrong. His game is a product of his natural talent, combined with the perfect coach for him as he developed. His long time coach saw his talents and sculptured a game to fit. Just like Uncle Toni did for Rafa. Thats not what USTA high performance can do. And none of those bozos last night had a dang thing to do with his development. And they had nothing to do with Harrison either.

    Those guys are supposed to discover and develop young players. So sitting courtside while your boss says you should be in the player's box....for a kid almost 19 who has already been discovered and developed? Thans nothing but posing to justify the huge money pit that is USTA high performance.

    What players were they discovering last night?? None. They were using their positions to get great seats to a fun match. Once again wasting money. I bet they will also have great seats to watch Djoker and Fed and Rafa. Gee, is that part of their jobs too?

    chalk, you obviously have some sort of allegiance to the USTA. Perhaps you should recuse yourself on these topics as your normally insightful posts are pretty lame in regards to USTA.
     
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    My allegiance pales in comparison to your defiance. With that said, I will gladly excuse myself from the topic if you would do the same. I know you can't though ;)
     
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    TCF, best to keep the troll on ignore... :)
     
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    Zero. Last year's boys' graduating class from New Mexico high schools had four ranked players in the entire state on tennisrecruiting.net: a 3-star, ranked 497 nationally in the class, who went to Carnegie Mellon (DIII); two 2-stars, one of whom is going to Grinnell (DIII) and the other lists no college; and a 1-star, who is going to Azusa Pacific (NAIA).

    So, it looks like there is a place for these guys to play tennis, but hard for them to find any scholarship dollars. About what you would expect for that level of tennis. It means the coaches will be paying out of state dollars if they want to have a good team. So, they can pay out of state dollars to foreign recruits or to domestic recruits. As others have asked: What quality of out of state domestic recruit is heading to Las Cruces for four years for tennis?

    I also second the motion that this has nothing to do with Jack Sock.
     
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    I think it was where they were sitting that is at issue. Those sitting in the player's box have usually coached him for years, not weeks, or are relatives.
     
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    I do think John McEnroe does give tennis a high visibility, he is a celebrity, whether you like him or not.

    In regards to the USTA High Performing Center...
    the proof is in the pudding.
    Who have they developed?
     
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    If you have to ask you don't know. And if you did know, you'd disagree. It's a pointless debate.
     
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    I never thought for one minute that the torch was going to be passed to Jack Sock. Sock played some good tennis, but he was no match for Roddick, it's wishful thinking to say that "the torch was or may be passed, tonight"
     
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    He dominated here in Kansas all I know.
     
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    He is a typical American player. Lots of weapons. Good athletically. Little discipline. Probably the best indicator is how he handled the big moment from an emotional stanpoint. He very much stayed in the middle and balanced. He didnt get to up and didnt get to down. If he has a high tennis IQ then he has a pretty promising future. He doesnt look to be a headcase and competes well he just needs some experience to get used to pro level tennis.

    I will say this. It would be a waste of time to go toi college level tennis. He has the tools to compete at the professional level and be successful. I have not seen many younger Americans with this skill set. I would probably put him at the top of the list well above the talked about players like Harrison.
     
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    I know pretty much everyone is high on this kid however IMO he's not going to make it. Men's tennis is freakin' impossible, you have to desire to succeed more than life itself or have exceptional talent and work relentlessly. Sock has good hands and a good serve but his first step is as fast as a slug. Men's tennis is about moving well. You can't teach quickness. He is not fast enough to hit with his extreme western forehand. Being the best junior in the U.S. is not a guarantee of a successful pro career.
     
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