Jan Silva back in USA

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  1. 35ft6

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    I wrote a big response which included a series of quotes from Founding Fathers ripping on religion. Guys like Jefferson, Paine, and Madison. Anyway:
    And in some countries, people think of the government as an instrument of the people, unlike in the USA, where an alarming majority sees the government either as the enemy or as their masters. We, the private citizens, should look at the government as our civil servants, and make them behave accordingly.
     
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    Someone correct me if I am wrong please. I thought Harvard was founded by the Massachusetts State Legislature as an independent school of no religious leanings. The name Harvard came from John Harvard, who donated hundreds of books to start the first library at the school.

    I believe John Harvard was a clergyman, but they used his name because he donated the library, not for any religious reasons. Below is a passage from Harvard's own website. It seems to say that the school was founded to battle the Churches teachings:

    "The College was never formally affiliated with a specific religious denomination. An early brochure, published in 1643, justified the College's existence: "To advance Learning and perpetuate it to Posterity; dreading to leave an illiterate Ministry to the Churches."
     
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    Short of competition, what is the metric for determining which child is going to be Pete Sampras, which is going to be John Lucas, and which is going to the University of North Dakota, Hoople Extension, Night Division?

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    It all does seem rather pointless. Not that I think it's evil or anything, but aside from run of the mill parental pride, seems like some of the parents want some money or free stuff to help their child along.
     
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    They were battling the teaching of the Catholic Church at that time period they were called "protestants" protesters of the catholic church and its teachings. IN a book i read Harvard had 3 grads that were taught by the professors that there was and "anglo-saxon" race superior to all others and they were Charles Warren, Rob De Courcy Ward and Prescott Farnsworth. Theres a lot of History to our country!

    They also were teaching people to be doctors to head out into the missionary field , I will do my best to go through some of my books to locate exact references.
     
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    Apparently the metric must be which kids have the best You Tube videos or whose parents are interested in seeking out the most press coverage.

    This tennis prodigy thing is a funny thing. Last Saturday I was in PA and went to my nephew's baseball game. The walk way went right by these 2 old tennis courts with weeds growing in the cracks. I saw this little girl hitting balls out of a Tennis Twist machine with her dad. I heard that sweet sound of a ball being hit just right again and again. We went over to the fence and watched. After she was done, these 2 eight year old boys on the other court came over and 'played' against her.

    This little girl wacked ball after ball from the baseline, almost taking the racquet out of these boys hands. She put balls over them, between them, right at them. She covered the court extremely well. It was an amazing sight.

    I then got to talking with her dad. He was so low key, saying she just liked hitting tennis balls and seemed to pick it up naturally. No boasts of Wimbleton wins or pro careers or press coverage.

    I then asked how old she was......"4 and a half" he said. "Holy cr--p" I said!

    My point is these kids are everywhere, mostly anonymous. And no one can convince me that that little girl is any less of a prospect for a great pro career than these kids getting press coverage or whose parents boast on these boards.
     
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    The top girl on our high school team is a Freshman. She's *good* ... and doesn't even know how good she is.

    I pulled mom off to the side when the #1 wasn't playing in the Regional Tourney and warned her about all the Coaches and Instructors who were going to fill all their heads with "smoke" about what they could do to help advance #1's tennis career. Mom told me two Instructors had already introduced themselves....

    I know most of these guys. I could see them angling to corner mom. So I tried to do it first. (I'm the Boys Coach; not Girls. But I still feel an obligation to help our kids and their families.) Mom asked me if I would work with the girl. I told her I didn't think I was the right fit ... and pointed-out who I thought *was*. (We'll see....)

    My beef is ... a lot of these Instructors motivation is really to "use" the kid to help promote the Instructor; not to truly help the player. (I know. I'm a bit cynical.)

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    Reminds me of a friend of mine who is a bit of a prankster. She was trying
    to lose a few lbs (maybe like 10 or 15) and called up the local national
    chain dieting program that rhymes with the current 007 actor's last name.
    After talking to them briefly on the phone, my friend for some reason
    decided they were just sales robots and the following conversation ensued:

    my friend: I'm really just looking for easy to make meals to eat and I
    noticed you guys have a lot of pre-made foods.
    JC rep: You're not trying to lose weight?
    my friend: Oh no. I'm fine. I'm already thin. I lost like 100 lbs last year.
    JC rep: Really!? OMG! I've struggling to lose weight and
    it's sooo hard. How did you do it?
    my friend: I just stopped eating and smoked cigarettes.
    JC rep: That works?!
    my friend: Oh yeah, like a charm.
    JC rep: Do you have any pictures of you when you were fat? We'd love
    to use you for before and after picture testimonial.
    my friend: I think I might.
    JC rep: Can you look for them?
    my friend: Okay.
     
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    Ditto. Well said.
     
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    I think you are correct. For example Rick Macci. I like him for the most part, used to work with him for a bit. But I have found at least 6 different kids in the last 3 years he has called "The scariest/best little tennis creature I have ever seen at that age". The parents eat it up, and pay him big money. But obviously not all these kids can be the greatest 4, 5, or 6 year old.

    Here is a story on the latest kid he calls the greatest.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...an-who-trained-Venus-and-Serena-Williams.html
     
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    "If I had a nickel for every kid I've seen who had the potential to be GREAT..." But too often they'd rather be Baseball players (in which they are not comparably as good) or skaters, or Lacrosse players.... OR "the dream" is mom's or dad's; not the child's.

    The truth is, it's a rare 5 year old prodigy who sticks with it to the Pros.

    (I was a scholarship college player. Of my peers, I am only one of three I know who still even *plays* tennis. By the time four years of college tennis is finished, many players are too burned-out to even think about the Pro Tour.)

    The USTA's Junior Development Program is grossly unsuited to the task, IMO. I don't think Nick Bollettieri is the answer either. (Just look at how boring the WTA is. Thanks, Nick.)

    I wish André Agassi would organize a Youth Development School. I think his perspective would have astounding impact.

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    Harvard did not want the ministers to be illiterate or self-taught semi-literates. They were primarily providing education for ministers, hence the quote.
     
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    I agree, the WTA is horrid right now. Once Henin and Clijsters retired, the athletes are pretty much gone. How many 6 foot plus women can you watch just bashing from the baseline with no creativity?

    You are right on the young kids burning out. Imagine having to stay focused and intense and injury free from age 5 all the way up until 20.....just to get to the start of a pro career.
     
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    Maci is a name dropper. I think the Williams would do well at most places they attended. It was his luck that they went to his academy. What has he produced since the Williams? Roddick is not a top talent by any shot of imagination. Roddick has a cannon serve that lacks disguise. Most players can return his serve now that they had plenty of years looking at it. The thing that sets Roddick apart is his willingness to work hard; I guess he knows deep down inside that he doesn't have the talents that other players have. That guy Maci kept on saying things like the scariest little creature with tennis racket. Tennis coach is correct, parents get sucked by those lines and of course don't mind writing those checks to subsidize Maci's living styles and academy. The guy is a joke.

    BTW, I agree with what you said about Henin in WTA but I think Clisters is nothing more than a baseline ball basher. Not to say Clisters isn't talented, but her game is kind of boring to watch though. To each his own.
     
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    i agree Maci blows enough smoke up rear ends and these people hand him $300 hr. "Idiots" no coach is worth that ! But more power to Maci he pulls that off Hes probably selling them swamp land also GOOOOOOOOO Maci!!
     
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    i agree with you that macci is not a great coach but knows how to sell himself but roddick is a top talent. he has been top ten for a long time, finished year end #1, and won a major. Your requirement to be a top talent is ridiculous. Is it if your not Nadal or Federer you suck?
     
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    I agee Kim was a basher....what I liked was she added some flair with her slides all over the court. She used to do splits and sometimes slide even on the hard courts!
     
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    In one of my early american history classes, we were informed Harvard began as a school to gain entry into the clergy.

    Just found this on Wikipedia...basically what I remember from my Grad class a few years back. No idea why I still remember it, but it was clear that it was a school for the clergy.

    Harvard is the oldest institution of higher learning in the United States (see: first university in the United States), founded 16 years after the arrival of the Pilgrims at Plymouth. Harvard College, established in 1638 by vote of the Great and General Court of the Massachusetts Bay Colony, was named for its first benefactor, British-born John Harvard of Charlestown, a young minister who, upon his death in 1638, left his library and half his estate to the new institution.The charter creating the corporation of Harvard College was signed by Massachusetts Governor Thomas Dudley in 1650. The College's original purpose was to train Puritan ministers

    During its early years, the College offered a classic academic course based on the English university model but consistent with the prevailing Puritan philosophy of the first colonists in New England. The College was never affiliated with any particular denomination, but many of its earliest graduates went on to become clergymen in Puritan churches throughout New England
     
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    Its amazing "in G-d we trust" is all over our money , every store in the USA was closed on Sun in observance of the Sabbath , on some of the buildings in Wash, DC ,the capital, ive heard they have Scripture right on the building themselves or in G-d we trust , yet we have Americans outright denying our history and that our Govermnent should be seperated from G-d , our President obama has gone as far as to outright LIE to the people in Turkey that wa have never been a Judeo- christian nation .

    What a Dark day in our country!!
     
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    No, Roddick is not suck by any stretch of imagination. He's just not a top talent, that's all. Let's be honest here, just because you are in the top 10, doesn't mean you are a top talent. Besides the top 3, there has been a lot of people in that 7 spots. Murray just started being in the top 4 recently.

    Roddick has a huge serve but a lot of people on the tour can read his serve after they have seen it for a few years. His serve lacks disguise. After you can return Roddick's serve, you can start the point over. One thing is great about Roddick is his willingness to work very hard and his competitiveness is never in doubt. But as far as top talent, I think Macci sells it more than what it is. The guy is a big time phony.
     
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    It goes back to the definition of talent, and your very narrow definition of top. I also think you are too stringent. Anyone in the top 50 is a top talent for me. Roddick has one of the fastest serves in the world...that's talent even if it's readable. Will to compete is also a talent in my book, but maybe not everyones.

    Look at it from his perspective, he's been top 10 for years & years, and you still don't think he is top talent? What else does he need to do to prove his case?
     
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    top ten makes you a top talent.
     
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    Roddick is very talented and he has a huge weapon "his serve" it takes a lot of talent and a lot of heart to have horrible shot selection and be able to play a majority of his rally's from a defensive position at his size and win and stay in the top 10 for 5 or 6 years . Hes got talent and is very athletic you have no idea of what you are talking about.
     
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    As someone who has hit on the court right next to Roddick i can tell you he hits huge off of both sides. He doesnt just push the ball. The guy moves extremely well, hits a really heavy ball that most players would kill to do, and has a great work ethic.
     
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    It's all in the definition of talent. The talent like Agassi, Sampras, Edberg, Becker, Lendl, etc. Would you think Roddick still be in top 10 for those years, granted he was very consistent, without his cannon serve? Most people I listed didn't have the huge serve as Roddick but they had complete game to hurt their oponents, with exception of Sampras's serve. The rest we can debate forever about their serves relative to Roddick's. For a guy who was touted as the next great American player, he didn't quite live up to that hype.

    Again, I am not saying he suck. Roddick does not suck. I admire his tenacity and hard work, but I wouldn't label him as a top talent. If you look at the current top 10, with exception of the Big 4, the ranking points drop precipitously after #4. #5 has almost a little over 1/2 the points of #4.

    Besides the top Fed, Nad and Djo, who is in the top 10 that has won slam recently? The last slam Roddick won was 2003. Yes, he did great getting the finals at W in 04 and 05 and at US in 06. But do you want to compare his backhand with most top pros? How about his net play with other pros, with exception to Davydenko's volleying techniques.

    Can you imagine how good Roddick would be if his overall game is close to his serve, even though it is readable?

    My point is Macci, didn't do Roddick a big favor while he trained there. He didn't prepare Roddick to work on his backhand and his volleying. Roddick's movement is not what I consider the top. He's fast because he worked hard, not because he is a natural mover like the Big 4. If you don't agree then just watch the Big 4 move then compare that to Roddick's footwork then you know what I am talking about.

    I know my definition is stringent, but I think if Macci did a better job with Roddick, he could probably be better than he is now because when you are young, you can work on your weaknesses a lot more than when you are at 26.
     
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    After watching the documentary Tie Break, not that I ever hated them, but have more empathy for Silva family. He seems like a good kid.
     
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    If you want give me a call through youtube ill give scott sivas no.,you find out hes a dad whos really in love with his kids hes probably one of those guys who does all that baby talk stuff with Jan and half this board makes him out as a monster and hopes they fail.

    Anyways he has dreams for his kids and their in a tough spot right now so pray for them
     
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    ^ I don't know them, this is completely speculative, but their intentions seem honorable I guess. Not that I agree with their approach. It's a really fine line. My mom made me do a lot of stuff I hated as a kid but now that I look back, I appreciate most of it, and I can directly attribute some of the success I'm having today to stuff she made me do as a kid. Not sure if I would move my 5 year old to a tennis academy though. They DO have a couple of other kids, right? If Jan was their only kid, maybe I could understand it more. Anyway. Hope it works out for them.
     
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    i hear you , their other child plays tennis also and the youngest is a toddler ,

    But its funny how the USA has become a country where were afraid to tell our children this is what you will do! as their parents ,its become a joke let the children choose what they want to do but as soon as they want to commit a crime or hurt someone not clean their room if your wanting to instill some work ethics all of a sudden "WE ARE THE PARENTS AND YOU BETTER LISTEN TO ME"we send such a mixed message to our children are they in charge of their future or is the parent? well im glad you understand your parents love for you!!
     
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    I saw that documentary also. No doubt he is a very nice kid. I think the entire thing started innocently enough, but morphed into a mess.

    Baghdatis was the academies best student. He happens to see a little kid hitting well. Now to coaches who have seen thousands of 4-5 year olds it would be no big deal. Like you have said, we have all seen kids as good or better in CA and FL. I have a 4 year old girl right now who I guarantee you is much faster and hits much harder than Jan did at 4.

    But once Baghdatis calls the academy owner and tells the dad the kid is so great, forget about it. The family goes nutty, starts predicting things like Grand Slam titles, and moves to France.

    Its a shame a grounded person like Lansdorp or Nick B. didn't get to them first and tell them to just let him play around in CA and see where he is in 10 years. They would have explained that lots of 4-5 year olds hit great and that it really is meaningless. Support his tennis, but keep proper perspective. And they would have explained how adding pressure at such a young age such as slam predictions and moving will greatly lessen any chance the kid might have. Thats unneeded pressure on the entire family, the other kids, the marriage, everything.
     
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    Baghdatis may have made the academy aware of Silva, but he didn't make the decision to have him train there. The coaches/talent evaluators at the academy were clearly wowed themselves, otherwise they wouldn't have made such an investment in him. And I imagine they've seen their share of youngsters over the years.

    I find it hard to believe that kids like Silva are dime a dozen. Not that his advanced skills ensure future success, but I don't see him losing to other kids his age. Do you think the girl you know would beat a 4-year-old Jan Silva? Even if your claim about her being faster and more powerful is true, that doesn't necessarily make her better.
     
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    TCF i would like to see you produce a video of this claim:

    "I have a 4 year old girl right now who I guarantee you is much faster and hits much harder than Jan did at 4.

    PLEASE put this up.
     
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    Most kids are just starting to play at 4 or 5.
     
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    When your only known student Baghdatis...who was highly ranked back then...tells you he likes the kid, you don't say no. And it was great pub for that place. Patrick sure didn't turn down any interviews that is for sure.

    And no offense....Jan never 'played' tennis at 4 or 5 or 6. In fact he came to the US for a tournament at 6 and didn't win a match from average 8 year olds. Jan got wiped out in one round by a boy just a year older. One kid was 8, the other 9. And this tournament was very low, low level. How is that a prodigy?

    R3 Chase Lortie d. Jan Silva 6-0; 6-0
    R2 Shawn Parks d. Jan Silva 4-6; 6-0; 11-9
    R1 Travis Fortune d. Jan Silva 2-6; 7-6(5); 10-4


    Jan simply returned balls that were hit directly at him. There is hardly any pace on his shots at all. His form is very nice though.

    And I would bet my entire life savings that the girl we work with now would absolutely destroy Jan at 4. She already plays situational tennis....moving the opponent around the court, going from sideline to sideline. You show me one video of Jan at 4-5 where he isn't just returning balls hit right at him. There are none.

    Have you every seen Jan serve one ball in any video at 4 or 5?? No. This girl serves consistently from the baseline.

    And no Brad there will be no videos, some parents are not attention junkies like Scott and you. Some of them actually realize that what a kid does at 4 or 5 means zero as far as being a future pro.
     
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    And no Brad there will be no videos, some parents are not attention junkies like Scott and you. Some of them actually realize that what a kid does at 4 or 5 means zero as far as being a future pro.

    then there is no girl who hits harder then JAN just a jealous coach who wish he had a Jan and as for hitting harder thats fine swing away, but for 4 yrs old Jan has very clean strokes and i doubt theirs another kid his age that swings that clean>
     
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    You need to get out more. Sonya Kenin at 5 was 10000 times better than Jan. There are videos of that, that is for sure. You can buy them on the USTA website.

    Sonya at 5 was serving with pace, playing sideline to sideline. Split stepping. And her strokes were perfect.

    Post one video of Jan at 4-5-6 where he plays sideline to sideline....or serves....or shows a split step. In fact, I don't thinks he even runs in any direction but straight in any video. And even then he looks very slow footed.

    Bet you can not find even one video where he does anything but return balls hit right at him.
     
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    I agree with above poster that I would think the owner of the academy in France would have seen a few kids play in his day. That's what threw me off because watching Youtube videos of kids, Jan didn't look that impressive. I mean, he's exceptional for a 4 year old, but compared to other exceptional 4 yo's he didn't strike me as being better, let alone way better.

    How old was Agassi in that famous video of him swinging that wooden racket around? 6 or 7? Younger? He's serving and hitting on the move in that video. And that racket must have weighed about 13 ounces or more.
     
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    Interesting article about child prodigies at Tennis com:
    Not just their bodies, but it seems like it would be better to minimize the mental wear and tear of these kids. For every Sharapova, who is a mental giant, there must be so many angry, whiny teens out there who think their parents ruined their lives.
     
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBSOoeL9_o4

    First video I clicked on. He serves at the end. He doesn't run sideline to sideline at any point, but he certainly moves around. Not every ball is hit right at him. It's not surprising that he doesn't run around a lot while doing drills to hone his groundstrokes.

    I'm not really buying the argument that the Mouratoglu Academy offered all-expenses paid training as a publicity stunt. I'm not sure it's in their best interest in the long run to build up and hype an unexceptional 4-year-old who would have an extremely high probability of failure. If he is as ordinary as you suggest, the academy would lose a lot of credibility.

    In all likelihood, they simply have/had a much higher opinion of him than you. And as I said, I'm fairly certain they've seen a boatload of supposed prodigies.
     
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    ^ That video is pretty impressive.
     
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    Had lunch at a Chinese place today, and found this in the fortune cookie:

    "A ship is safest when it is in the harbor, but that is not what it was built for"

    If every child just went to school, did his/her homework, went to college, and became a working stiff, there would be no remarkable people around.
     
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    ^ Very true. But also (probably) true that for every super celebrated world beater, hundreds if not thousands of children mentally crippled by years of being treated as a means to an end by their parents instead of being given enough freedom to discover who they are and what makes them happy. Still, point taken.
     
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    WOW! I love that! So awesome. Thanks, I'm keeping it on my desk :grin:
     
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  45. Azzurri

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    I would put my money on Jan in a one set match over you. Why don't you post a video of yourself playing, coaching/teaching? You seem to think you know everything. I would love to critique you.
     
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  46. BradBaughman

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    i agree i think tcf would get the better of Jan 6 4 6 3
     
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  47. Azzurri

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    In all seriousness, this "coach" seems like he has no credit what-so-ever. I am ok with opinions, but he has way too much negativity for Jan and his father. unless he shows us some video that he actually knows how to play, well then fraud comes to mind.
     
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  48. TennisCoachFLA

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    You want to act the fool, be my guest. I simply said what many others have said....we have all seen many talented tennis kids. It truly means nothing as far as a pro career. Jan hits very well. Jan seems like a wonderful kid. Jan has no bigger chance of making it in tennis than 1000 other talented tennis kids around the world.

    The boy was set up perfectly. His mom was a tennis pro. He had access to courts everyday. His parents were married, and his siblings doing there thing. The perfect environment for a little tennis kid to enjoy and thrive. No pressure....and what 4 year old should be pressured??

    His dad starts making Grand Slam predictions, sells their possessions, takes the kids to another country. His parents end up seperated and moving back.

    This little boy now has to grow up where anytime he wins it is meaningless....why enjoy winning a local tournament, dad says Grand Slams. I have seen similiar things happen 100 times. As he gets older he may even wonder if his tennis caused the parents to split.

    You show me one time when Sampras or Federer or Nadal had to not only battle all the things required to make it in tennis....but also their dad's making Grand Slam predictions over and over and over again? You can't.

    My OPINION is that Jan's dad is dead wrong in the way he is handling the child. He is stealing the enjoyment of the journey from the boy.

    And if you don't agree fine. But I will keep giving my opinions. And frankly could not care less if you like them or me. Many of your other posts are nothing but arguing with everyone with very little that is constructive. 4500 posts, about 4300 which are argumentative.
     
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  49. TennisCoachFLA

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    Ha, good one Brad.

    Jan is welcome to come to south Florida anytime and hit with the 7-8 year olds.....or play in the many tournaments down here. Kozlov is only a few years older than Jan....oops sorry, I forgot he spanked your 13 year old.

    I guarantee you we have many, many kids his age who could compete just fine with him.

    I don't care how much press his dad seeks, there are literally hundreds of equally talented kids his age between Miami and West Palm Beach.

    Do they hit one handed backhands like he does...nope. But last time I checked a few 2 handed players seem to win just fine!
     
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  50. WARPWOODIE

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    Wow! I was checking Silva's website and he has a contact for "Marketing"!
     

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