Jan Silva back in USA

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  1. TennisCoachFLA

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    No...he got the point...you missed it.

    Normal is not having 2 kids by their early teens who have guns and pipebombs all over their rooms....and parents who look the other way.

    That is not a normal upbringing. An occasional fist fight among boys is normal....a boy with a hunting rifle in his room that his dad teaches him to use is normal upbringing.

    A room full of guns and bombs in plain sight in a suburban house is not.
     
  2. Azzurri

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    unlike you, I have a life outside of tennis and don't worry too much about other people's PRIVATE lives. I guess talking smack about Scott Silva is no problem for you, but here is the thing; what if we had your name and found out a little baout your "normal" life and began to make up stuff??? You see, you are a total loser and hypocrite. why talk about a guy's personal life, yet hide behind a username that is under fale pretense.
     
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    Think...then post.

    Scott Silva sought out all the publicity he could get. Scott choose to tell multiple interviewers about his separation. Scott choose to make his entire return to America and the reasons public through the media. Hmmm...not so private when the person actually gives the information out to the media now is it?

    Courts all over the world have determined that people who seek the public eye should reasonably expect to have their lives discussed.

    We all are within our rights to give opinions on whether a publicity seeking person did the right thing.
     
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    you are brilliant ,exactly what i was saying as children they had the so called normal childhood, but as teenagers pipebombs,guns ect.
     
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    Thank you Brad.......I stopped reading after your first 3 words....I just assumed the rest would be more compliments.

    Have a great day Brad....keep the boy training on the red stuff!
     
  6. Solomon

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    I was simply pointing out the fallacies in your post.
     
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    No worries..I see where you are coming from and it is all a matter of perspective. Sure, what appears to be "normal" childhoods can evolve in to tragic results like Columbine although I didn't see the relevance to our discussion. There really is no true answer to this issue but to hope for the best for our kids and to do what we think is right to prepare them for a happy and productive life. I have no ill-will towards the family whatsoever. I hope it all works out for the best. Take care.
     
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    Wow. What a jerk. Sorry for voicing an opinion on this and hoping it all works out for the family. Brad and I may disagree a bit but it's all with good intentions. He seems to know quite a bit more about the situation than I do. You, on the other hand, come across as a complete fool in this thread. Good luck with that, skippy...:rolleyes:
     
  9. TennisCoachFLA

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    I hear that BMG. You and Solomon are just trying to hold civil conversations.

    I fell into his trap also....his 4600 posts are just starting fights. I agree...Brad is fun to chat with, even when we disagree. This poster though is just being nasty.

    Lets just discuss junior tennis and let him do his thing. We all wish the boy Jan nothing but success.....just like all the many tennis kids out there.
     
  10. Azzurri

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    LOL..so now Scott "chose" to discuss his situation...man you are one big dummy to believe everything you WANT to believe and try so hard to make it true to everyone else.

    You could be a really good guy, but I think you are a clown based on this forum..is that fair?
     
  11. Azzurri

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    LOL..and I was simply pointing out the garbage that has joined this forum over the last 18 months.
     
  12. Azzurri

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    Thank you for noticing, maybe you are not as ignorant as I thought. But you have to admit it takes you a while to "get it."
     
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  14. Solomon

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    If you are referring to me as "garbage that has joined this forum over the last 18 months".........seeing as I have only been here for a month or so.......you're wrong.
     
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    come on Solomon you think your gonna take my title as Mr. Trash, low life ,loser ,ect. not even pal . but you can be part of the club!!!
     
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  17. Julieta

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    Everyone who posts here writes based on their unique experience. Fights start because people who dont have that experience cant understand what someone else is saying because they dont have that frame of reference so they get mad. I dont think TCF tries to start fights. But when a person has been around one of the areas where every future star wannabe ends up sooner or later, they do get kind of jaded about the whole thing. (yes great kids develop everywhere but at some point they show up in FL, even if its just for the Orange Bowl.) They definitely can develop a "time will tell" attitude about the whole thing. Some people have seen the hype not end up so well too, even when the child has huge success, so you worry about the kids.

    Brad's perspective as another example is that of a parent trying to navigate this whole scene and do what is best for his child. He constantly has to defend himself from people who see him as a the stereotypical tennis parent. There is some truth to the "parents know better than kids" even though it doesn't sound pretty. I certainly wish I had listened a little more. I understand Brad because of my own experience, so I dont have a problem with anything that Brad says (although we dont have the same political views, lol). But if I hadn't had to deal with and work through a lot of stuff myself I might see Brad differently too.
     
  18. Azzurri

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    you joining one month ago would place you OVER THE PAST 18 MONTHS. Thanks again for confirming my thoughts.
     
  19. Azzurri

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    Very well stated.
     
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    Good post....my last post addresses the context of my postings on this thread. Again, I am only saying we have lots of amazing 4-8 year olds...not that we have more than anywhere else.

    I kid around with Brad. My only problem with him is that he has posted that he knows how to "raise a champion tennis player" and the rest of the American tennis people do not. All of American tennis is worthless and weak but him.

    Now obviously this is silly for one huge reason....he has never produced a champion tennis player and guys like Macci, Lansdorp, Nick B. and Jimmy Evert have had major roles in producing future champs. And Evert has worked hard with Madison Keyes, who has improved a ton under the Everts.

    But with Brad it is done with humor and I doubt he takes anything on a silly forum seriously. And like you, my politics are 100% opposite of his!
     
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  22. Julieta

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    Thank you.
     
  23. Julieta

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    Thanks. I forgot to mention how good your point is about the kids of elite players and other athletes. There are a lot of those kids around and many of the parents are very discreet about how they develop.

    It is amazing though, anyone can have great ideas and think they are doing everything right, and the kid just walks or cant compete. You really never know. I remember Monique Viele, everyone was talking about her and she was very good, but too much hype and losing her dad as I understand put an end to that. The sad thing to me though are the kids who really could have a chance but the parents just arent into it or there isnt enough money. I know someone like that. This guy was so good, even now twenty years later if he hits a ball people eventually just start staring and asking questions. But his parents didnt have that much money and he really needed a couple of years on tour to fully develop his game and he could never get a sponsor. Very sad. Then I know a girl who got sponsors and to be blunt, she was not worth any kind of financial investment.
     
  24. Solomon

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    Sigh, you just don't quit do you. :(
     
  25. BradBaughman

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    Not a bad post for a girl , i like it because its honest and fair great job , Am i a chauvinist ? LOL
     
  26. BradBaughman

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    TCF i told you before i raise my child and am responsible for his character as for his tennis he's the one who produces his own game and schedule, just recently he's allowed out side help , As for raising a champion we do believe its and attitude and mental position that is being instilled in him.
     
  27. Azzurri

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    maybe you should...we have enough of your kind on the boards.:)
     
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    Not to worry Solomon..I have been following this thread and one thing is clear - children like Azzuri are the problem with this Board. There has been some good debate in the thread (interesting subject, too) and then this moron Azzuri jumps in every ten minutes and derails it with juvenile nonsense. "Ignore" is the best way to get rid of these get-a-lifers.
     
  29. Azzurri

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    odd, but I have no idea who you are. You have been on the boards since 2005, but don't recall you ever contributing. But I truly appreciate you noticing me, guess I made an impact.
     
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    Monique Viele....wow, I also remember her well. She was so hyped, Macci and others had her as the most talented and complete player ever at her age. Her current My Space page outlines how her wrist injuries and death of her father/coach derailed her career.
     
  31. TennisCoachFLA

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    I totally get that Brad. Just understand that there are lots of American kids and coaches who are training hard and are not "afraid of foreign players" as you have put it in the past. But it is what it is...waaaaay harder to make it now than it was 15-20 years ago. Here's what Nick B. and Mike Agassi are saying these days. From Tom Perrotta, tennis.com:

    Nick Bollettieri, the famed founder of the Bollettieri Tennis Academy and former coach of Agassi, Seles, and Sharapova, among others, says he can surmise a lot from watching a 4-year-old. The way children hold the racquet and react to balls gives Bollettieri a sense of “what God gave them,” he says. But he’s given up on predicting whether those talents will produce a professional. When I asked Bollettieri why, at last year’s U.S. Open, he stepped closer, paused a few beats, and began slowly jabbing his index fi nger into my chest.

    “You’ve got the whole world now, buddy,” Bollettieri said, emphasizing “whole” as if the planet had recently doubled in size. “Look at the NBA, look at baseball.” What he meant was, look at Russia. Look at Serbia. Look at Eastern Europe. Look—off in the distance—at China. More kids are playing tennis, and they’re playing it well at earlier ages.

    “When I used to have an Agassi or a Seles, I could say, ‘I’ve got another one,’” Bollettieri says. “I can’t say that anymore.”

    These days, the odds are even longer, so much so that in a recent conversation, Mike Agassi, Andre Agassi’s father, told me that he wouldn’t want his children to play tennis today. “I’d go after golf and baseball,” Agassi says. “Golf has longevity, and in baseball if you lose, you aren’t the loser. The team loses.”
     
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    God, I love the vitriol spewed on this thread! To think I got a one week "vacation" from this site for some of my attempts at laughing at and pointing out the hilarity of one of this sites number one goofballs (who shall remain nameless).

    Watch out, boys and girls, a "vacation" may be in your future.
     
  33. tenniscrazed

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    Your post was quite risible. Also, it was very befitting given the hilarity of some of the posts. Thanks.
     
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    In many cases it is exactly that. Parents living their own dream through their innocent children. It is borderline child abuse. When parents put their kids through this sh*t when they are 5, 6 or 7 years old they are doing an incredible disservice to them and only stroking their own brittle egos. Sad to see.
     
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    That is not true, I've watched the documentary on him called Tiebreak. He wanted to do that and was having fun. In fact, his mom looked a little unsure.
     
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    A 5 year old has no clue about anything and it is up to the parents to do what they think is best. I have seen too many parents doing what they say is in the best interest of their child but they are in fact living out their own wishes. It seems as though the parents of this child are doing what they think is the right thing but it is not up to us to judge people we don't know. I hope it works out but the odds are often substantial.
     
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    What about going to school daily? My kids didn't want to go and I had to force them...it's hard to separate out my wishes from the best interest of my child. The person to make the best call is the parent when the kid is at an young age.

    I guess I don't disagree with the Silvas on what they've done (at least from what I've read...and assuming Jan has plenty of play time outside of tennis & training). At some point (depending on the kid...but say between 12-15?) they should start to step back and let Jan take control of his own tennis career, I think.
     
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    There is an enormous difference between going to school daily to prepare for whatever life may bring and to gain an education and social characteristics that will be invaluable when one becomes an adult versus taking an innocent child at age 5 and telling him/her what their future will be and immersing the child in coaching/training in that endeavor. Yes, the person to make the best call is the parent which makes it all the more important that they look out for the best long term decision for the child and not for their own egos.
     
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    i dont think i want a school full of children helping to develop my child's social character , i deal with plenty of them and the majority are rude and selfish , i think the plan to take their child and place him in a setting where they can monitor who he's hanging out with, his schooling and train for a sport he could play into his golden years in life and someone pay for it all ,What a deal!!
     
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    Jan, i hope has his parents helping him make choices far beyond 15 or even 25

    do any of us look around at the generation that has been making their own choices , 2 to 3 divorces , bankrupts ,we have a generation of "real messed up people" and we continue to try and separate the child from the parent stuff with horrible results

    Remember all these college educated people running our country and they have bankrupted us ,destroying our schools ,giving criminals rights ,ruining our children, be smart do whats right for your child and all the experts with degrees all they have is a degree your smarter!!!
     
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    That is such a cynical take on life and especially school age children. In my experience with children at that school age it is pretty much only a small few parents that exhibit rude and selfish behavior. The kids are great and my children are learning life lessons and having fun. It's not exactly difficult to monitor who they play with and hopefully this proper upbringing will allow them to make wise decisions as they grow up. Packing up and training them for a career in tennis at some academy at age 5 while "monitoring their social life" seems a bit selfish....and who cares if it's paid for (didn't the Silvas have to sell everything and aren't they now trying to get back on track?)....the money has nothing to do for it. I'll gladly pay for a good education and happy childhood for my kids. That's a deal for the whole family and for the long term!!!!:)
     
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    a friend of ours is a school teacher 2nd grade, really nice area ,one day one of her 2nd graders spoke of having sex with another child then went on to explain to our friend what it meant in graphic detail , she called the princible in, next thing you know she had some parent yelling at her saying her daughter would not speak that way.

    not to long after that she had another speak of killing the other with a kitchen knife ,once again our friend end up on the chopping block "ptp" and this all happened in a very nice area, great school district.

    i know these are isolated cases, NOT SO these are very much the normal ,to the point we have a NO TOLLORENCE STANDARDS , and by the time they enter high school they are entering campus that look like prisons and some even have metal detectors.

    are there children in school who are brought up right? yes ! But what im reading in the newspapers and watching on the news is pretty gloomy,

    Besides schools not for making friends or having fun its to get educated learn math, reading, language, maybe some art . So what their doing with Jan is spectacular he was being educated and training to become the best he could become in tennis . Its alot better then going to school for 8hrs getting off and doing another 2 hrs of homework thats a 10 hr day thats bordering on child labor laws being broken .Oh wait their not getting paid even worse all that work for free LOL
     
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    BTW this is not a cynical take, watch the news read a newspaper keep up on whats going on ,our country is in trouble.
     
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    I happened upon the Norcal USTA site and found that Jan Silva recently played an event in Sacramento...going 1-2. It's nice to know that he is back to playing tournaments again where he can prove himself on the courts and not through some random youtube videos where he is being promoted as the next great one.
     
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    My best buddy from high school's nephew played in that tournament, I think it was the end of May. Jan's 'win' came when the other little boy could not play the match because he ate something and got really sick. The hype is silly by his dad. The little guy is 7, has played tons of tennis and had top coaches and equipment, attended a top academy for 2 years, and he struggles against local 8-9 year old novice boys who just play for fun. Returning fed balls has zero to do with actual tennis.
     
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    Jan only had a 1-2 record in a local CA tourney after 2 years of tennis immersion in France? Wow. I hope that things work out for the boy whether it be tennis or life in general.
     
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    I think maybe part of the reason is the pressure he has on his shoulders now. All the tv and youtube hype don't help much. I would rather stay low radar and see where your kid ends up. For me, i'm just going to set realistic goals. Goals like.... 1) play for a good college. 2) have a sport you can be good at when you get old like me.

    If the kid has what it takes than we will see him on tv one day but all the extra pressure at this age is a bad thing IMO.
     
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    It should be called the bad news b/c that's mostly what gets
    reported. Don't let it lull you into a sense gloom and doom. If you
    only listened to the news and papers as your source of info and
    believed that's what the world was like, you'd lock yourself in your
    house and never go outside and be scared of black people.
     

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