Jarmere Jenkins almost loses to 56yr old in a $$ tournament

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  1. Gut4Tennis

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    Mark Vines might be one of the best 55 yr old age division players in the World for ITF adults, and he showed it by almost beating the NCAA singles runner up and NCAA doubles winner.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Vines

    (Mark Vines (born February 23, 1957 in Richmond, Virginia, United States) is an American former tennis player. He won one singles title, the Paris Indoors tournament in 1981. Vines reached a career-high singles ranking of World No. 110 in April 1982.)

    They played a super breaker for the 3rd set because the draw was backed up due to rain and they needed to play 2 singles matches in a day, and doubles and mixed as well.

    Here is a pic of the old man. looks like he is playing with a wilson 2.3 hyper sledgehammer lol

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    Here is the draw

    click on draws, and select mens open for the drop down
    http://tennislink.usta.com/tournaments/TournamentHome/Tournament.aspx?T=131495

    Jenkins then lost in the next round to a player not in his league....HUNTER KOONTZ of VA tech who plays #3-4 for VA Tech
    http://www.hokiesports.com/mtennis/players/koontz_hunter.html

    He really needs a vacation

    Men's Open Singles
    SF (7) Hunter Koontz d. (5) Patrick Daciek 7-6(9); 6-4
    SF (6) Cameron Silverman d. (1) Sanam Singh 6-7(5); 5-2Ret (inj)
    Q (5) Patrick Daciek d. (2) Michael Shabaz 6-2; 7-5
    Q (7) Hunter Koontz d. (3) Jarmere Jenkins 6-3; 6-3
    Q (6) Cameron Silverman d. (4) Damon Gooch 7-5; 6-1
    Q (1) Sanam Singh d. (8) Jakob Gustafsson 6-3; 6-2
    16 (2) Michael Shabaz d. (11) Harrison O'Keefe 6-4; 6-4
    16 (5) Patrick Daciek d. Kyle Allen 6-3; 6-2
    16 (3) Jarmere Jenkins d. Mark Vines 6-4; 3-6; 1-0(5)
    16 (7) Hunter Koontz d. (10) Trevor Spracklin 6-2; 6-4
    16 (6) Cameron Silverman d. (9) Shea Thomas 6-2; 6-4
    16 (4) Damon Gooch d. Marc Vartabedian 6-2; 6-2
    16 (8) Jakob Gustafsson d. Patrick O'Keefe 6-0; 6-3
    16 (1) Sanam Singh d. Stan Vaughan 6-1; 6-0
    32 (2) Michael Shabaz d. Jordan Kaufman 6-2; 4-6; 1-0(7)
    32 (11) Harrison O'Keefe d. Nicholas Bakos 6-2; 6-1
    32 (5) Patrick Daciek d. Giancarlo Lemmi 6-1; 6-0
    32 Kyle Allen d. Ryan Martin 6-0; 6-0
    32 (3) Jarmere Jenkins d. Chiraag Shetty 6-2; 6-2
    32 Mark Vines d. Kristoffer Barnes 7-5; 6-1
    32 (7) Hunter Koontz d. Dejon Bivens 3-6; 7-5; 1-0(5)
    32 (10) Trevor Spracklin d. Carson Greve 0-6; 6-0; 1-0(7)
    32 (9) Shea Thomas d. Nicholas Wilson 7-6(3); 6-1
    32 (6) Cameron Silverman d. David Martin 6-3; 6-1
    32 Marc Vartabedian d. Eric Shulman 6-1; 6-4
    32 (4) Damon Gooch d. Christopher Radke Wd (emerg)
    32 Patrick O'Keefe d. James Smyth 6-1; 6-0
    32 (8) Jakob Gustafsson d. Paul Webster 6-3; 6-0
    32 Stan Vaughan d. Rodrigo Sarlo 6-1; 6-1
    32 (1) Sanam Singh d. Brandon Weston 6-0; 6-0
     
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    The title is a little misleading. The older gentleman was a former pro, and it looks like he kept playing tennis after his professional career. It is interesting to see this man take Jenkins to the limit. Is it a bad thing that he almost lost to him even though he is a Division 1 player? Not really. If he was a recreational player, this would have looked bad on him.

    However, like I stated before, the match was great because he played a former professional who had a decent ranking during his time.
     
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    the kid probably had a bad day. But I looked at the wiki and the guy looks like a journeyman from 30 years ago. This result doesn't bode well for a kid trying to make the pro tour
     
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    Another Forum opinion about power rackets Debunked.

    Yes but it just goes to show you that you can compete with SUPER powerful racket like Hyper hammer 115 Sq inch frame. All YOU forum players that think POWERFUL light frames can stand up to heavy hitting of college or pro players is DEBUNKED.
     
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    Also I wonder if he used racket like that when he was a Pro. or did he have to switch to this power frame because of his Age ??? ARE we all destined to switch to such frame when we get OLD ???
     
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    lol

    omg u kill me

    that that racquet is hilarious

    i think i better stock up on the bay
     
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    This is a clay tournament. Having seen Jarmere Jenkins play, I wonder how effective he is on HarTru. Who cares about someone's racquet-it's about their game and their play, not their racquet.
     
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    It kinda shows when you get older even the good players need a mega powerful stiff head heavy frame

    I would of paid 10 bucks to watch that match
     
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    I have many fond memories of watching SMU matches in my native Dallas when Mark Vines was there. He was the surprise singles champion of the Southwest Conference as a freshman. I was reminded of him a few years ago when a tennis columnist in Virginia spoke of him as the greatest Richmond player in the years since Arthur Ashe. Great lefty serve and volley and all-court player.
     
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    I bet its hard to get the ball past him with that monster frame.

    I hope I get a chance to play him some day
     
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    This was a clay tournament? I didn't know that.

    Is Jamere even effective on clay? I've seen his matches on Har-Tu courts, but I'm not sure if he's just as good on clay.
     
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    he grew up on clay I think in the south east coast
     
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    Oh okay. I didn't know that.
     
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    Do you know if he plays it stock?
     
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    What I do want to know is what string setup he uses ? that old aging arm must be using gut or something similar. That racket is not setup for Gut string though. Gut will snap in few hours in that frame.
     
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    I'm guessing gut mains / poly cross and string savers in a bundle :twisted:

    actually looking at his strings it looks like full something and not a hybrid.

    well it can be any string, but if it was full gut with string savers i would not be surprised
     
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    still not as bad as 45ish year old thomas muster beating leonardo mayer (current top 50 player) in an atp tournament back in 2010
     
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    Prince just arrived early 80s and pros changed to oversize pretty fast so he probably did play as a pro post wooden frame. Doubt he used the hyper hammer somehow back then or he clearly would have had a higher ranking.
     
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    HAHA the hyper hammers were not available until about the year 2k
     
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    He could have put a co-poly or a poly on the racquet at a lower tension.
     
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    Well what's amazing is that I remember very well playing a tournament in the mid atlantic setion back in the early 90's and Vines was using a Kramer...everyone else was using graphite and he was using wood, pretty amazing.
     
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    and now he is using the hyper hammer. little bit of an upgrade there. being able to serve big might be the reason why he is using this powerful racket:)
     
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    dude has a smooth great looking serve, good movement I can see why he'd be a tough customer.
     
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    no doubt no doubt

    JJ can only hope he is still playing that good at that age
     
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    hyper sledgehammer

    http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Reviews/20/20Review.html

    Hyper Sledge Hammer 2.0 Stretch Tennis Racquet Review


    Just when you thought it was safe to go out and buy a titanium tennis racquet...Wilson comes along with the Hyper Carbon 2.0 and does what all the other racquet companies are trying to do with their titanium racquets. They create a stiffer, lighter, and more powerful racquet. Their secret? Leave the titanium out and add a little Hyper Carbon instead.

    Actually, giving the Hyper Carbon all the credit is doing a disservice to the designers of the Hyper Carbon 2.0. Hyper Carbon is really just a fancy name for a specific type of Ultra High Modulus Graphite (See All About Hyper Carbon for additional info). Ultra High Modulus Graphite has been around for a long time, and is used in other racquets. The real key to the playability of the Hyper Carbon 2.0 is how the Hyper Carbon is used on the racquet. Ultra High Modulus Graphite can create a number of different playing characteristics depending on where it is located on the frame, and which direction the carbon fibers run. Wilson's designers have done a great job of designing a frame that is as light as the lightest titanium racquets but maintains a much higher power level.

    To fully appreciate the power of the Hyper Carbon 2.0 all you need to do is hit a few overheads. You can generate tremendous racquet head speed because it's so light, and the stiffness of the frame creates even more power. It is easily the best racquet on the market for hitting overheads. It's sooooooo easy to crush the ball with this racquet it doesn't really seem fair. If you ever wanted to get rid of your doubles partner just hit a few short lobs to someone who uses the 2.0 while your partner's at the net. Your partner will either get killed or want to kill you. Either way you'll be free to find someone new to play with.

    While the 2.0 is tremendous on overheads, serves require more control and discipline since you've only got a fraction of the court to hit into. You'll get plenty of pace and spin but more advanced players may miss the accuracy of less powerful racquets. Players with slower serves should benefit a lot from the extra power the 2.0 provides. A slow, controlled swing is ideal for harnessing its power. Players who already serve hard may have trouble getting their serves in consistently (but when they do go in, they should be spectacular).

    Successful groundstrokes will depend on your ability to take advantage of the maneuverability and power without losing control. If you're a player who is constantly out of position or hitting late you will love the 2.0. It's easy to make last second adjustments and to hit offensive shots from defensive positions. This racquet can definitely bail you out of some impossible situations. You can also hit your groundstrokes with tremendous power and spin when you do have time to set up.

    The control problems you'll encounter with the 2.0 aren't necessarily physical. They're mental - it's very easy to overhit with this racquet. How easy? REAL EASY! How important is it to have some self-control when using it? REAL IMPORTANT! The 2.0 is so light, maneuverable and powerful that you have to remind yourself not to try to end every point with a winner. This racquet can give you crushing fire power but it's up to you to supply the control. Players with slower, controlled swings who can keep from overhitting will have the most success with the 2.0. Power players with long, hard strokes might want to stick with a smaller caliber racquet. Be realistic about your game; if you can't keep the ball in the court now, this racquet won't help. If you can keep the ball in the court but can't end points, this racquet may be the answer.

    You'll find big pluses and some minuses apply to volleying with the 2.0. The racquet's great strength is the maneuverability. You'll find it easy to get the racquet to the ball, even if you get a late start, and the power makes it easy to put away high balls. The large hitting area also makes the volleys easier.

    Anytime you step up to a more powerful racquet, you'll find handling low, hard hit balls can be treacherous, and the 2.0 is no exception. Any shot you hit from below the level of the net is a challenge because it's tough to get the ball over the net and back down in the court. The same power that helps on slow, high volleys is a detriment on the low and half volleys.

    So far we've talked about the Hyper Carbon 2.0 as one racquet. It actually comes in two head sizes, the 115 (Oversize) and 125 (Super Oversize). While both racquets are similar there are some differences in how they play. Here's a breakdown of some of the differences:

    Power: The 115 is powerful, but the 125 is POWERFUL.
    Control: The bigger hitting area on the 125 gives it the edge on off center hits. The lower power level of the 115 gives it the edge everywhere else. Especially on slice backhands. You can get more spin with the 125, but it's harder to keep the ball in the court.
    Maneuverability: At 7.8 (115) and 8.3 (125) ounces (unstrung) both head sizes are exceptionally maneuverable. However, the smaller head size and lighter weight of the 115 makes it noticeably more maneuverable than the 125.
    Stability: Both racquets are very stable and have very little to no vibration. The 125 does feel more stable, probably because of its larger head and extra weight.
    Noise: These racquets come with a Wilson "W" dampener but for many that won't be enough. A Gamma Shock Buster or Forten Worm will help put a ding in that widebody ping.
    Here's how one of our play testers described the difference between the two head sizes: "The best analogy for distinguishing between the two racquets (head sizes) may be a big luxury car vs. a sedan. The 125 gives a luxury ride: better insulation from the road and a bit better stability and power. The 115 handles a bit better, and call it feel or call it shock, but you sense the ball a little more with it. If you've got shorter strokes and you usually have time to set up for your shots then the 125 may be ideal. If you tend to stroke the ball with spin and are playing with a harder hitting crowd that can pressure you and rush your shots then the 115 may be better suited to you."

    The Hyper Sledge Hammer 2.0 Stretches aren't intended to appeal to all players. Wilson wants to show how their HyperCarbon material can add power and decrease weight in racquets and they've done just that. They have more power than most of the new titanium racquets without sacrificing maneuverability, and they are lighter and more maneuverable than the few racquets that have as much power as they do. These are two of the best ultra light weight power racquets on the market. If you can live without titanium, the 2.0 has a lot to offer.

    Note: Since this original review, the Hyper Hammer 2.0 125 has been discontinued. Also, the remaining Hyper Hammer 2.0 115 is now 1 ounce heavier, weighing 9.5 ounces (strung).
     
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    Can someone find a longer video of Vines?
     
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    i looked baby
     
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    That racquet he uses is a 16 x 19 if my count was right. What size is that thing? God it looks just huge. Maybe he strings it extremely tight to keep balls in...
     
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    Now on court with an 18 year old: Goldhoff
     
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    Did anyone mention Mr. Vines owns an ATP title win (over Noah) and a win over Lendl I believe, back in the day. Was fortunate to play a tournament dubs match against him recently when he and his partner were #1 in the world in the age group, I believe. Lost 2,2. Very nice guy, was a privilege to play that match.
     
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    sweet man. I had no idea he beat lendl , dam
     
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    Not in '81 anyway. Looks like he played and lost to Vince Van Patten (aka World Poker announcer) in '82.
     
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    1981 was too long ago for the ATP web site to keep money stats. Notice they don't have rankings for any of his opponents in 1981, either.
     
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    ahhh haaaa makes sense

    thank you
     
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    Makes me think of my young tennis days. Never played Mark Vines, but played Greg Ent (lost 6-4 in 3rd) and Billy Williams (had a ton of match points but lost in 3rd set tiebreaker - I was 20, he was #1 18 yr old) who were also the #1 ranked juniors in Virginia. Mark was at SMU for some time when I was in college in Texas also and was a teaching pro nearby in Colorado.
    Good to hear his game hasn't dropped like mine has. I was wondering where he had gone to.
     
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    Mark Vines was on a USTA league team that won the 2013 5.0+ nationals at Indian Wells earlier this year.
     
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    yep and vines got beat a few times in singles I think. Vines is listed as a 5.5 so he had to play #1 singles or dubs, as each team can have a 5.5 play.

    I'm not sure how long he will stay at 5.5, but all credit to Vines for staying healthy and still playing at a high level. He's a baller
     
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    I played vines in the 1st round of a tournament around '84 at WCT lakeway in Austin,TX. I had never played in a tournament before and mainly did it just for fun tho I was a 4.5 level player. We played on the stadium court and I lost 2 and 4(two points in 1st set and 4 in 2nd)
     
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    That is funny!
     
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    Wow! You beat him?
     
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    Is it possible that jenkins intentionally made it a close match kinda playing around with him?

    that guy was a pro but only no. 100 in the world at his peak, so he is not exactly john mcenroe and jenkins is 23 years old and CURRENTLY ranked 330. that guy is not some random college player but actually a tour player (albeit not a top one).
     
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    Yes. The final men's and women's spots were given to Jarmere Jenkins and Nicole Gibbs: ZooTennis story.
     
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