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    How did he get to be an expert in developing junior tennis?????
     
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    For starters he was a former top 10 ATP pro, won 3 tour stops, All-American at Clemson, graduated magna cum laude, won Kalamazoo, was Assistant Coach at Florida International and the Head Coach at University of Miami. Good enough for me, but I'm sure that will get flamed.

    http://www.itftennis.com/mens/players/player.asp?player=10000126
     
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    Thats all fun stuff, but none of it has a thing to do with the mission. The mission is to identify kids with potential, work them out and interview them to try and figure out if they have that special it factor, and then develop them.

    In baseball they have a scouting system and the best track record guys move up and become director of scouting and development. Other guys have proven themselves at great developmental coaches and move up to direct that.

    Cal Ripken may have done great things, but the director of scouting and development was a star in his field and may have never played baseball past the lower levels. The 2 are many times not related. The guy with the best record in the actual sport has nothing to do with the person who may be best at finding and developing talent.

    Rick Macci is proven at player development, Pat Mac is not. Pat Mac could own Macci on court but that is not relevant.

    The problem is exactly what you posted. They don't hire based on actual track records in the specific area of each job. None of his extensive accomplishments show success with the responsibilities of his current position. His only player development at all was with 20 year old college students, nothing to do with his job now.
     
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    All I know is that J Berger has one of the most Fugliest server man has ever seen.
     
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    there is a fuglier server one best of five on TC, could not remember his name though, he wore glasses, could have been south american player :confused:
     
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    maybe Karsten Braasch is who you are referring to
     
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    I hadn't heard of Jay Berger until his name came up in another thread the other day with him talking about quickstart. I watched that and another video of him on youtube where he was presenting a drill (presumably at a coaches conference). In the drill he was working with a player to not 'back up' but to stay on top of the baseline to contact the ball and at one point told him not to take a drop step to get his back foot lined up with the bounce (which incidently led to the best shot the kid hit in the video).

    Show this vid to any Spanish coach worth his salt and he'll laugh his ass off all the way to siesta! The whole Spanish system is based on getting the body behind the ball.

    So, while I don't know who this guy is, if he has anything to do with the future of American tennis, I wouldn't be putting my mortgage on him producing any players.

    cheers
     
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    Yes Ash, sadly the USTA has some top coaches who insist the kids stand their ground on the baseline. While the Spanish system favors giving ground when needed, setting up for the better stroke, and waiting for the right ball to attack.
     
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    I taught this to my niece when she was 5-6 year old ;-)


    Too funny, unfortunately many coaches cannot teach much more than that on the serve.
     
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    ok guys enough with the jokes

    Jay had a nice career, he is a fuggly clay courter, when the spanish had casal :)

    He won his first top-level singles title in 1986 at Buenos Aires. In 1988, he captured both the singles and doubles titles at São Paulo. In March he upset world # 2 Mats Wilander, 6–0, 7–5, in Orlando, Florida. In March 1989 Berger upset world # 3 Boris Becker, 6–1, 6–1, in Indian Wells. In May he upset world # 3 Mats Wilander, 6–3, 6–4, in Rome. In August Berger beat world # 3 Stefan Edberg, 6–4, 6–2, at Indianapolis.

    In 1989, Berger reached the quarterfinals at both the French Open and the US Open

    Jay was there for Bjorn when he won the Jr french open on clay, for an american Jr to do this is an accomplishment, tell me when was the last time an american won the Jr french open? Mac in 77

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    2 different discussions, your video on his serve caused a few jokes. You are correct, he had a great career as a player.

    But the thread is about how he has zero credibility as far as ever discovering or developing players, does not have the personality to do so, and offers technical advice that is not sound. A poster with great credentials commented on seeing him actually teaching, a poster who dealt with him as a USTA kid parent commented on his personality. First hand accounts of his issues.

    I could care less if he had a pretty serve and won 5 French Opens, he is another example of a hire that has no track record in his current job.
     
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    we are talking about developing JR. tennis players ........
    Jay was there for Bjorn when he won the Jr french open on clay, for an american Jr to do this is an accomplishment, tell me when was the last time an american won the Jr french open or anything on red clay? Mac in 77

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Pee0V57KAE

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wc9ba6MZlks
     
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    bjorn said Jay was one of his coaches in the Video, Jay gave him pointers before the final. What did Uncle Tony have before Nadal, he knew how to play soccer:confused: or Mr Williams ?

    no one is saying Jay owns Bjorn, if you think Bjorn has nothing to do with Jay Berger then I am sorry I can not help you.
     
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    Agreed, but he had one of the best backhands in the game at the time. I think he's one of two juniors to win KZOO and then go on to make it to the quarters of the US Open (Krickstein may have been the other).

    Players that played in his time will tell you that no one worked harder at the game than Jay Berger.
     
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    he hit at their centers, TRAVELED with berger and was coached by berger while at the french open which he won, they had some say in his development even if 1%. If jay gave him pointers, tips about what to eat drink breath etc..... since berger has been there at the QF of the French, it means he had something to do with his Jr tennis development, even if he said JUST ONE WORD !!!!
     
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    that is correct , he was one of the hardest working player on the tour at that time, if he instilled only that on Bjorn, then he had some say in his development
     
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    Had dinner with his college coach last Friday. Jay Berger played #5 as a freshman, worked his ass off to moved up in the lineup to #3. Clemson got him on the cheap because he was not a top prospect. He won Kalamazoo after playing college tennis for a year.
     
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    Agreed on the Bjorn comment. Berger may not be the marketing genius like Nick B (nobody is), but his work ethic as a coach is known and the results indicate his team is doing something right.

    USTA Boys won the gold ball in the 14s, 16s, & 18s National Clays this year. That's a solid effort.

    USTA Boys won silver balls in the 14s and 16s at National Hard Courts this year. And I believe they took the bronze ball in the 16s too.

    USTA girls side is...

    Keys left Evert and is part of the USTA high performance program.

    Townsend is having a great year and at 15, she will continue to improve.

    Crawford has had some great wins this year including a win over Keys.
     
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    Who should I watch play at the US Open Juniors today?
     
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    If he's playing today it's a no-brainer, Frantagelo!
     
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    USTA girls side is...

    Keys left Evert and is part of the USTA high performance program.

    Townsend is having a great year and at 15, she will continue to improve.

    Crawford has had some great wins this year including a win over Keys.[/QUOTE]


    I thought Berger was the Head of Boy's and Malmquist or something was the women's coach.
     
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    Ola somebody heads up girls...yes.
     
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    Ola Malmqvist, he used to be head coach of UNLV women's tennis.
     
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    What do you think about Mandy Wilson at Evert?
     
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    She worked very closely with Madison Keys for years so she must be a pretty solid coach. I am pretty sure she was Madison's primary coach before Madison started working with USTA high performance.
     
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    Didn't make it to Sound Shore to see the juniors. Picked up tickets for the main draw and saw Murray kill Donald Young. Young still hits a soft ball, all arm no body behind his shots. His unforced errors were pathetic. Saw the tail end of Nadal's match. He's a beast. Then saw Isner play well against Simon. He hits the ball clean. He just needs to work on his return of serve. We were then fortunate to get down to courtside to see Djoker beat Janko in a great match. Janko was playing great for the first 2 sets but retired from injury. From courtside, Ashe is very intimate and a great venue.

    I saw Frantangelo play in the men's qualies. He has a good game, high racquet head speed and moves well.
     
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    Geez, how on earth did Donald rise to 74 in the world, you know, since you say he is such an awful player. Must be easy to be ranked that high. Maybe you and I and your son ought to head on down there and win that darn US Open!
     
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    Donald is a journeyman, just like you. Your insight is pedestrian at best. Are you going to follow me around the boards to pester me like some dweeb? Please, get a life!
     
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    I wish I was a journeyman like Donald...
     
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    One of the first people Jack Sock thanked for helping him this entire week leading up to his Mixed Doubles win was Jay Berger.
     
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    Since he was a college coach, I can see him doing very well with the guys the age of Sock and Fratangelo. He would have been recruiting guys like them.
     
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    I could say so many things but I'm going to take the high road here and say just 3 words... I love it!
     
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    Sock didn't say anything to that effect... he just thanked Berger for SCOUTING the opponents this week.
     
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    Absolutely - marketing 101. The interview was carefully planned, scripted, rehearsed, etc... It took hours, days, weeks to plan. Board meetings, top executives from USTA, the network, Jack Sock, Gimelstob, Berger...everyone was there. I can't believe they didn't include anyone from the forum in those meetings. Please.
     
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    I am wondering where is ClarkC for total misinterpretation :)
     
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    Exactly, pathetic really. Pat Mac says they should be in his box. Now Gimels prompts him to thank Berger....for scouting an opponent. Something usually reserved for rookie coaches or a tennis playing mom/dad/brother.

    The USTA so wants to latch on to any kid that has success.

    Newsflash....Berger's job description has NOTHING to do with scouting opponent's. If we need to pay someone his salary to do that than American tennis is doomed.
     
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    How did Macci's boys do in the Clay's? Hardcourts?
     
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    Either you must be dumb or naive. i think naive :)
     
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    Rick Macci....Capriati, Williams sisters, Pierce, Roddick, Kenin, ChiChi Scholl, Charlotte Ownesby, Tommy Ho, Spadea, Anastasia Myskina, Mia Lines, Karim Alami, Monica Viele, Tina Pisnik, Katia Afinogenova, Lauren Albanese, Wayne Ferreira, Brian Dunn, Eric Taino, Justin Gimelstob, Byron Black, Tommy Shimada, Mike Sell, Christian Rudd....and on and on. All spent time with Macci, some months, some years.

    You want a solid player at age 4? Age 7? Little Mos? College? Juniors? Pros? Seems like Macci has helped plenty who went on to all levels of tennis.

    Berger....apparently he is a good scout and maybe can give Sock a ride to the store if he needs one.
     
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