Jeff Salzenstein Total Tennis

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  1. Federerkblade

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    Just to confirm I am not affiliated with Jeff nor on a referral programme. Just an avid tennis lover

    However what are your thoughts on Jeff Salzenstein and his new instruction programme

    http://jeffsalzensteintennis.com/T3InnerCircle/sp1-launch/

    Do ppl think hes value for money.

    Interesting proposition monthly
     
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  2. onehandbh

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    It's impossible to tell from his website. He has a 10 minute
    video with just him talking about how awesome his training is and that you
    just have to sign up. Sure he played on the ATP, but I have no idea
    what his teachings will be like b/c he offers *NO* samples or much
    insight to his approach, etc. He spends 10 minutes trying to pitch people to
    join his INNER CIRCLE, but what will you actually be getting?
    No idea. Just that he wants people to pay $9.95 a month.
     
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  3. Larrysümmers

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    just another former pro tryin to make a buck. i personaly wouldnt pay because there is already a ton of stuff on the internet for free.
     
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  4. tennismonkey

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    i'd be more inclined if he had at least a demonstration of what you get. a sample video or something.
     
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  5. Rusty669

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    I totally lost faith in the guy when he tried explaing the kick serve motion by comparing it to holding a dirty diaper....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3tqxsS42Dg

    To me it seems as though he is trying too hard. I wouldn't recommend it.
     
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  6. Federerkblade

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    one things for sure he is very passionate, and 9 dollors with a cancellation fee is not bad, with a 30 days cancellation fee.

    former pro just gives bit more credibility

    just some pros against the negatives so far
     
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  7. onehandbh

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    Seems like a good drill, though.
     
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    He has several short videos out there on sites such as YouTube and I find them to be very beneficial and helpful. I am a self-taught tennis player who for the first several years only had myself and the internet, plus a dad who knew nothing about tennis but overall was a good sports player. If I was just starting out I would certainly shell out 9 dollars for a month and soak up as much information as possible.
     
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  9. Cheetah

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    You can get a good idea what he's about by searching on youtube. He has a lot of videos on there. Also there is one of his students who has a blog where he posts videos of his lessons with Jeff on it. He posted that site in a thread here about 2 weeks ago.

    Yea there's a lot of free stuff on the internet but I don't see too many instructional videos on the internet that are given by an actual pro who was on the tour and beat Michael Chang.
     
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  10. forthegame

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    (Never mind, couldn't find the post about a TTWer who had lessons.)
     
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    Salzenstein has been trying to get his own thing going for years, every year its some new "training program!" but he has yet to bring any players to tour. I think he thinks a little too highly of him self.
     
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  12. 5263

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    Most of Jeff's stuff is very good and worth way more than the $10 if you use it.
    If you don't, it's not worth anything.
    He is legit and way better instructor than most.
     
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  13. Cheetah

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    So you're saying a coach isn't good unless he 'brings a player to tour'? He has one vid where he's training a wta player. He was a pro and has played in grand slams. I'm sure he's had world class training for over half his life if not more. Even if he was a horrible teacher he still has world class knowledge and experience a student can draw from.
     
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  14. TonLars

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    Yeah one guy recommended Jeff to me a while back on here. As it turned out, a few weeks later he came to my home club for the division USPTA convention. I was able to meet him, and during one of his presentations he used me for about 10 minutes and gave me some quick feedback on the serve. Everything was very applicable and made sense. Some of it wasnt new of course, but he did pick up on a couple things that were.

    Overall he definitely has my recommendation, even without seeing much of his online stuff. Obviously this first comes from him being a former elite player, but also seems like a very smart and easy to understand coach. He coaches in a style that is very similar to what I try to do.
     
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  15. Federerkblade

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    good recommendation Tonlars
     
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    I subscribe to his youtube channel and am always happy when there is a new one......
     
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  17. Federerkblade

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    Fantastic we should have the the Salzenstein weigh in soon on this debate
     
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    The guy definitely knows his stuff, I'm a pre-physical therapy student and his off court exercises are definitely on point in terms of injury prevention and effectiveness.
     
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  19. forthegame

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    Thanks Tony.

    I couldn't find your post so edited mine as I didn't want to misrepresent you!

    Seen a video or two of Jeff, briefly, and it looked good.
     
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    Didn't this guy have article column in a major tennis magazine at one stage?

    Afaik he's legit.
     
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    I bought his forehand course and it was/is really good
     
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    It actually is a good drill. A lot of people on here just belittle things for no reason.
     
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  23. Power Player

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    That guy proplayer has not made 1 positive post on this board. I wouldn't pay him much attention.
     
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  24. Jeff Salzenstein

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    Hey everybody, I hope it's ok if I weigh in:) I just want to thank everyone for contributing and to those who are supporting my blog, my you tube channel, and my coaching philosophy. I always do my best to over deliver as a coach and to get better everyday. My blog and youtube channel are there for any tennis player to get free tips so that they can improve and if players and coaches want to dig deeper and receive more instruction we have paid content available as well. I feel we are helping a lot of tennis players all over the world and am excited to help many more. I look forward to contributing to the TW forum and I want to thank federerkblade for getting this thread started. Feel free to ask me questions in here and I will do my best to answer. All the best, Jeff
     
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    Who are you exactly? Inquiring minds want to know.
     
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  26. Jeff Salzenstein

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    Hi Rusty, an 8 year old student I was coaching called the drill a "dirty diaper" and I kept it because it was fun:)
     
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  27. Jeff Salzenstein

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    Hi Onehandbh, You can go to my blog or youtube channel to see my free video instruction.
     
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    Hi Larry, I strongly disagree that I am just another pro trying to make a buck. I get a lot of satisfaction out of helping tennis players get solutions to their games and I am committed to being the best coach I can be. Being able to make a good living doing something you love is a great thing.
     
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  29. Jeff Salzenstein

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    I have been in Colorado for 4 years. I moved back after coming off the tour at the age of 33. I came back to Colorado to improve tennis in my home state. Definitely opportunities to help pros and develop players are few and far between unless I move to FL or CA. I chose CO for the quality of life. Now my passion has shifted to helping players all over the world with online tennis tips and lessons. So far it's working beautifully and I am really excited about the possibilities.
     
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  30. sureshs

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    Do you have any serve lesson videos? I think I already saw one on slice serve. Any more?
     
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    Hi Jeff. Does the 10 dollar monthly fee cover all the content until the membership is cancelled?
    I'd be interested in trying it for a few months.
     
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  32. JohnYandell

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    I've known Jeff for a long time--used to go watch him play at Stanford and had the opportunity to work with him as both a player and as a coach.

    The guy has an economics degree from Stanford, which may make him unique among tennis coaches worldwide. But aside from being smart, the thing I enjoy about Jeff is his openness. We've exchanged views on many subjects and think it's fair to see we've learned from each other, although we probably don't agree on everything.

    It's great that tennis coaching has a young, passionate guy with his intelligence and playing credentials.
     
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    Salzenstein is superb IMO. He keeps thing simple, gets straight to the point, is innovative and refreshing, certainly compared to much of the dross out there.

    There are far, far too many online websites out there that overanalyze, offer 90% marketing junk, or just regurgitate platitudes that serve no real purpose. Salzenstein tends to get straight to the point and tries to concentrate on what's going to work. His site and the tennisplayer.net site are only ones I tend to bother with since they tend to be BS free zones.

    It's difficult not to respect him, not least because of the level which he eventually reached, all the work which he did to improve his own game, move himself up the ranks, and how he remained a student of the game throughout his career. He also comes across as very affable. Not sure if its still up on his website, but his two podcasts about how he improved his serve and how his career developed are well worth a listen, not least because its a great story.

    I've mentioned Salzenstein a few times in previous posts, but since he's popped up here himself, I'm sure he can talk for himself!
     
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  34. Federerkblade

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    I am really lookng forward to salzensteins work .

    At dollors a month it is good value.

    If i had the money plus the time i would go and spend tine with Jeff in Denver or christophe from tennis oxygen in florida. Both are the Real deal.
     
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  35. kiteboard

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    Listen to this guy.
     
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  36. Federerkblade

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    Jeff , will the forehand solution to some degree be covered to some degreein the Total tennis solution. ?
     
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  37. Jeff Salzenstein

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    Hi Sureshs We have a few serve videos on youtube but we have a huge serve course coming-out later this year....basically my life's work on how I developed my serve which was average as a junior to hitting a 136 mph serve at Indian Wells at the age of 32. John Yandell helped me big time along the way. I love John's work and he is a good friend and mentor.
     
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  38. Jeff Salzenstein

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    Hi Arche, Yes, $9.95 per month for everything with weekly updates as long as you stay in..the price will go up soon.
     
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  39. Jeff Salzenstein

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    Thanks, John. you are truly one of the good guys and I have always been a big fan of your work. Thanks for helping me so much along the way.
     
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  40. Jeff Salzenstein

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    FedererKblade Christophe knows his stuff...I really like his work!
     
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  41. Jeff Salzenstein

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    To some degree, but it might take a few years to get all the forehand video lessons and concepts in T3 that are in TFS now. TFS is very concentrated. T3 will be spread out more with various lessons. The voiceovers in T3 go over a lot of the concepts on the forehand but they are all under 20 seconds. Not a lot of explanation like there is in TFS. We will be releasing an updated version of TFS later this year or early next year. Hope that answered your question.
     
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  42. onehandbh

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    That's a pretty impressive improvement.

    Just got a chance to look at your youtube videos. Great job!

    btw, I think you could probably improve the opening intro video by adding
    sprinkles of your instruction instead of just a pitch. IMO, it's a bit too long
    and doesn't do your instruction and what you have to offer justice.
     
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  43. SFrazeur

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    Will it go up for everyone including "Charter Members?"

    -SF
     
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    I have a question on those serve instructions. This proverbial 'diaper holding' server analogy discussed here:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3tqxsS42Dg
    is essentially very similar to the practice tip described here:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iONY6fcqZGg

    which is all great, seems like a useful practice tip.

    what I'm confused about is that in the Jeff's video, he talks about and demonstrates how the racket face hitting the ball ends up facing the player (see at 3:23).
    While the McCraw's instructions seem to suggest that the face of the racket hitting the ball ends up facing away from the player (see at 0:29 mark)

    So,which is it? Is one overpronating more than the other?
     
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  45. WildVolley

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    Watch Jeff's video again. On the follow thru, his racket ends up facing away from his body and then he pulls it down toward his body. Ultimately the pronation motion seems to be the same with both drills. After the racket pronates the face then falls or is pulled back down toward his body.

    I've noticed this same motion on the big kick serves of Roddick. Perhaps Jeff can explain this, but I think it is probably just a result of the high elbow and natural relaxation of the lower arm.
     
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  46. jmnk

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    not sure if we are talking about the same thing. Yes, the racket as a whole is away from his body. But the side of the racket face hitting the ball ends up with 'strings facing me' (his own quote), which is the opposite of what happens in the other video I gave the link to.
     
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  47. WildVolley

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    Yes, I see what you are talking about. But Jeff actually has the racket face pronate through the ball and away from his body, just as the other guy does, but when he then lets the racket drop, he turns the face back toward his body.

    Watch it again. The motions in the two videos are basically the same until the very last part when the server is relaxing.
     
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  48. Jeff Salzenstein

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    Hey onehandbh, Thanks of for the tip on the video. If you give me specific examples of what you think I should show, that would really help. I wanted to make it 5-7 minutes but it cam tout 10 because I felt I had a lot of material to cover.
     
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  49. Jeff Salzenstein

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    SFrazeur, If you sign up as a charter members, you are grandfathered for life. Any price increases I make in the future will not effect you or others who choose to sign up. $9.95 for life if you get in this week. Thanks for asking.
     
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  50. Jeff Salzenstein

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    In this particular video for the kick serve I am not focusing on pronating even if it happens naturally. I have found the key is the finish and everything happens naturally before that. If it does not, then make adjustments. Get the stings facing you at the end of the swing, if you want to develop feel and control on the kick serve.
     
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