Jeff Salzenstein Total Tennis

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  1. sureshs

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    I have seen the youtube ones on the serve.

    What was the speed of your "average" serve as a junior? I suspect it was far above the speeds of club-level serves.
     
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    Salzenstein is the man. I remember seeing him back in his Stanford days and have followed his career.

    Definitely not 'just another pro trying to make a buck'. Hello, he has a degree from Stanford....If he was not a tennis player, he would be a top exec. somewhere.
    He is educated and intelligent, which is not so common on the Tour. His videos are clear and helpful for all levels of play.
     
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  3. onehandbh

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    I think 5-7 minutes might still be pretty long. There are a lot of possible
    ways to cut it down. Off the top of my head, some ideas:

    - use video when you want to show/illustrate something. You can start
    with the image of you talking but since the main content of what you
    currently have is actually the audio (what you say), you
    don't need to keep the camera on you. You can cut up the audio and use it
    as narration/VO while you show samples/examples of your teachings.
    You can use bits of some of the clips you have on youtube.

    Since it's on your webpage, some of what you say should just be in
    writing.

    Consider the following analogy:
    How would people most likely like to ingest the story "Gone with the Wind" ?

    1) Read the book
    2) See the movie
    3) listen to the audiobook
    4) watch a video of a guy standing there reading the book aloud

    I'd hazard a guess, that most people would not choose #4. A 10
    minute video on the web can feel like an eternity to some people.

    What you want is actually a combination of the 4. A movie trailer.
    You can show the author (you), cut to parts of the movie (your instructional
    videos), use the audio of you underneath at times (audiobook), and then
    maybe show a little bit of text (phrases) with the video or as separate
    cards (screen w/text) stating key points. Just give them a taste. The
    specifics should written on your webpage.

    If you have more questions, you can contact me via my TW profile.
     
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    Great ideas. I thought the website a bit confusing as well. I was not sure if the sale was for the DVDs pictured or the subscription.
     
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  5. Jeff Salzenstein

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    Average speed of my serve was slow as a junior..nothing above 90. I improved my serve 25-30 MPH after my freshman year of college at Stanford through my own experimentation.
     
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  6. Jeff Salzenstein

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    All good points. Thanks for your feedback.
     
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    i have to say the first lessons on the total tennis site are awesome and well worth ten dollors a month alone plus more
     
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  8. arche3

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    I'm about to sign up.... ten bucks is not much but I will most likely forget after a few months and Jeff will make 10 bucks from me per month till I die.
    I had Netflix for like 3 years before I realised I had it. I did the trial and forgot about it.
     
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  9. sureshs

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    I was waiting for my match last night, when I heard "Jeff Salzenstein" mentioned! I turned around, and it was the head pro here talking about him to a junior student. I asked him how he knew Jeff, and he said he coached Jeff in high school. Then he said he (Jeff) was a great player and coach.

    Jeff, I don't want to give out his name and please don't mention it here (some people don't like their names showing up on the Web), but he is on the list in http://rptctennis.com/Lessons.aspx
     
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  10. Jeff Salzenstein

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    Thanks...it's only going to get better from here. More lessons, more insight, more fun. I am going to do everything I can to deliver at least 10x the value in this inner circle.
     
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  11. Jeff Salzenstein

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    Smart choice because I am raising the price soon and 10 bucks a month for sharing my life's work is a nice deal for any tennis player that wants to get better:)
     
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  12. Jeff Salzenstein

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    Sorry I don't recognize the names on the list you provided. Did I know this coach in Colorado?
     
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  13. sureshs

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    Not sure. Doesn't matter. It was just such a coincidence, with this thread ongoing and me hearing your name yesterday.
     
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    We had a Salzy thread not long ago but no harm in another one - the guy achieved alot. An ATP caliber guy coming out of Colorado is almost like an NHLer raised in Hawaii.

    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=392204&highlight=salzenstein

    Good to see you here Jeff, congrats on the new venture. You still coaching out of JCC & Gates?

     
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  15. Jeff Salzenstein

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    I like the analogy to making the NHL form hawaii. Can I steal it? I am in Denver teaching but not at Gates at the moment. A little at the JCC.
     
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  16. Jeff Salzenstein

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    Not a very fast serve at all 80 mph max.
     
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    I know you have a Serve Solution Course coming up soon so you've probably thought of this already; but it would be interesting to see before and after video or your serve prior to certain technical changes.

    -SF
     
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    I've just noticed that there's someone who I'm sure is TonLars in one of the videos having his serve analysed and commented upon as part of a teaching session during the USPTA Northern Champs!

    Credit to TonLars for being a good sport and doing the demo. I wonder whether Tony decided to try implementing any of the suggestions (high elbow, foot positioning, weight shift, hand partly off the butt cap etc)?

    I thought it was a really interesting teaching / analysis session.
     
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  19. TonLars

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    Yes, again Jeff is a very nice guy, great communicator, makes things very easy to understand and gets down to the essentials in his teaching. I like that alot, and is exactly what I try to do when I teach. Even though our time was very brief, everything he said makes alot of sense and I just need to continue to practice it all and implement it. He promised to go to Flushing with me if I somehow make it through the Us open nationals, so ill hold him to it!

    Also, where is the video quick? Ill look for it myself otherwise.

    Edit: cant find it
     
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  20. Torres

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    ^ I'll try and email you a link.
     
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    Watching Jeff's videos I fully expected a pitch for a time share in Florida or "an incredible investment opportunity".

    Too much salesmanship, not enough tennis, and no unique insights into tennis technique.

    FYB started down the same path recently. Lots of sale pitch, white board talks, not as much actual tennis content like they were known for.

    My current favorite is Essential Tennis .com but even he's heading down the same route.

    All of these guys fail in the same way: they think someone looking for tennis instruction is going to sit through a 10 minute sales pitch and be wowed by their talk. No, show me value first and I might be convinced to sign up. Some guy telling me how wonderful he is? Sorry, those are a dime a dozen.
     
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  22. Torres

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    @ TimothyO - you're making yourself look very silly, because you clearly haven't watched any of Jeff's videos properly or at all, because those are some mad, mad comments you've posted. Either that or you don't understand anything about technique development, or tennis coaching.

    FYB is all marketing and mind numbing waffle straight from a textbook. The amount of money he asks for his 'Ninja' courses is just laughable. What the heck is 'Ninja' tennis anyway? The guy is also unbelievably droll.

    Essential Tennis is for beginners. Nice to occasionally listen to the podcasts when you're in the car, but unless you're a complete beginner, they have very little value. I couldn't stop laughing when they had that segment about whether some guy 'should change tennis shirt' half way through a match, or whether it was best to keep the same sweaty shirt on.

    Salzenstein's the only guy who's shown that he can play tennis (as he's proven throughout his career), that he can improve (as he's proven throughout his career), and effectively work with and work on technique development at all levels of players. I really like his 'straight to the point' approach which is unbelievably refreshing compared to what's out there. He's the only guy of this bunch that "gets it". You only have to look at what he's achieved in his career, his own game development, and the people he's worked with to see that.
     
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    Well I gave Total Tennis a shot, heck for $10 bucks a month at the time it was a steal. So far there is a TON of material, I'm taking them video by video a couple days or even a week at a time depending on how quickly I can absorb the concept on and off the court. He's also constantly putting stuff up on the site for even more material.

    Bottom line, he know his stuff and if you're looking for "value" his programs are very well priced in comparison to the knowledge you gain from his experience.
     
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    Don't bash on EssentialTennis too much, I have hopes for it even if it is joining the mega corporation of FYB online tennis association.

    I agree with the skepticism all around because of what FYB has done. In the beginning they gave away a lot of good free content but then they got big, grabbed a lot of friends (essential tennis including) and started commercializing everything. Now they sell quick fixes, rehashs, and worst, celebrity instructions.

    If Salzenstein's stuff is innovative, I hope he can be an example to other guys looking to do online tennis instructions.
     
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  25. Jeff Salzenstein

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    I will see if I can dig up some old footage of my serve as it evolved.
     
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  26. Jeff Salzenstein

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    Tony was an awesome student and I would love to have more time with him to help him with his serve. Love his passion for the game!
     
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  27. Jeff Salzenstein

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    Thanks for the kind words, Tony. It was great spending a few hours on court with you
     
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  28. Jeff Salzenstein

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    Timothy, I respectfully disagree. You can jump into any of my courses and I will give you a refund if you don't think I am providing value. You also have access to over 100 videos on my blog...totally FREE...that should keep you busy.

    If you want to dig deeper you can get my paid content. And yes, there is marketing behind it. Nothing wrong with making a living doing what you love and providing value.
     
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  29. Jeff Salzenstein

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    Torres, totally agree with you about your take on my teaching style. I try to get straight to the point and show players and coaches how they can tangibly improve as quick as possible. Through my own challenges I developed a teaching style that create results if you work the program. Thanks for your kind words about what I am doing
     
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  30. Jeff Salzenstein

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    Thank you for the nice comment. We are uploading new lessons every week as well as new fitness workouts. I am not sure where else you can get weekly updates plus 1000's of other videos to help you with your tennis.
     
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  31. Jeff Salzenstein

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    Hi Snowpuppy, I am doing my best to provide tons of value and great tennis tips.
     
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    Subscription question

    Jeff (or other informed TT@TW members):

    I just ventured into the Tennis Tips/Instruction section of the site and stumbled onto this thread. I'm very interested but am wondering if there a special promo code to qualify for the $10/mo rate that I've missed or has that shipped already sailed?

    Looks like great stuff.

    Thanks in advance.
     
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    I watched his "dirty diaper" video several months back, in addition to several others, and felt that his ideas had considerable merit. The diaper idea is a novel approach for focusing on a certain part of the serve. This and his other videos can provide an alternate insight into various aspects of the game. Here is a couple of his videos where he talks about Federer's lift and land footwork:

    http://www.jeffsalzensteintennis.com/tennis-training-footwork-2

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlD1w6mu61o
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  34. Rozroz

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    wow this lift and land thing looks really elegant. i gotta have it !!
     
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    Not sure why you are taking issue with FYB. Will still has tons of good free stuff on teh interweb. The man has a right to conduct a business. Seems that too many have come to demand that everything should be handed to us for free. Will puts in a lot of time and thought into his presentations. Why should he not be compensated for all his hard work?
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  36. Torres

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    Not at the rip off prices that's he charging. He's very poor value for money in my view.
     
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  37. beernutz

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    Jeff, is any video analysis included for the $10 a month fee? For example, would I be able to take a video of a league match or practice session and have you critique it?
     
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  38. Torres

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    No coach anywhere is going to do that for $10.
     
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  39. beernutz

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    Not even as a one time offer to new subscribers from a new coaching website trying to get off the ground?
     
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    Running buggy whip forehand lesson is a valuable one. I think the footwork is critical if you want this to work and be able to put some sting on the shot. Most amateurs have tendency to run thru this shot and forget to plant the right foot to get good foundation.
    If you run thru this shot, you wont' be able to get back for the next shot to your backhand, most likely. I myself have some trouble stopping and planting when i am running full sprint to my forehand.
     
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    Count the number of working hours in a week. Figure out how many 1.5 hour league matches you can watch in a week, add another 0.5 hours on top of each match you watch to write the critique / ensure that the critique is accurate and you're not just providing a glib response that adversely impacts your reputation. Multiply that by the number of subscribers.

    I'll leave it to you figure out how many years you'd be spending watching, analysing and writing up videos, whilst dropping absolutely everything else from your working schedule to do this.....
     
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  43. beernutz

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    What part of your anatomy did you pull 1.5 hours to 2 hours from? You could watch a short video and write a critique in 15 minutes or less. Good players on tw forums do it regularly for free in less time than that.
     
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    Good stuff Jeff. i think i do this unconciously already. This is a impressive site. I didn't know it existed. I will i will sign up and refer all my friends to this site as well.

    Good Job, J.S.
     
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    Yeah good players do it for free because no one would pay them for their random comments. Jeff was a top 100 pro. Big difference. Also his instruction that I have seen is heads and shoulders above all the others.
     
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    I am sure he appreciates you two answering for him.
     
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  47. arche3

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    Just pointing out the obvious. No matter how many tips you might give no one will ever pay you for it. Get it? Its simple actually. I'm surprised you don't see that.

    Or maybe Jeff will do video analysis for free as part of the fee. I seriously doubt it.
     
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    That is very cool that way that you included a time element in the youtube URL. Did not know that this was an option. (Too many posters will provide a video link where the point of interest is deep in a long video).
     
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  49. beernutz

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    It must be nice to be able to see into the mind of every single potential tennis coaching client and know for certain what they will or won't pay for. At least you aren't condescending when sharing your awesome powers of observation.
     
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    People are reluctant to shell out 10 bucks a month with a money back guarantee for a top 100 ATP pro. You think anyone will pay for a TT forum member $1.00 for any sort of instruction? Just sayin. Its obvious that's all.
     

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