Discussion in 'Tennis Tips/Instruction' started by Federerkblade, Feb 22, 2012.
You are very naive.
Then it is a good thing your opinion means less than zero to me.
Where did I claim people would pay money to TW forum readers for video critiques? What I said was that it wouldn't take 2 hours to watch and critique a video because players (and coaches) on TW do it all the time in far less time than that.
you guy's are messing up Jeff's thread.
Beernutz would never mess up anything. Beernutz is charitable and graceful, not caustic or irascible.
why so serious?
Doesn't "market" take care of the pricing mechanism? Price too high relative to value => demand goes down (perhaps you wont subscribe), etc.
US, thankfully, is not a fully centrally planned economy yet.
The check is in the mail.
When did he beat Chang- as a junior? His ATP record looks like it is 0-2 against him
I don't think he did beat him. Lost in a 4 setter in the 2nd round of the USO, though still an amazing acheivement.
Jeff was a great player especially during his college career. and i really enjoyed his short segment in tennis channel about nutrition.
Hopefully he will do more segments in tennis channel soon. Perhaps stretegy and lessons ?
I stand corrected.
Another fan of Jeff's here. Recently I've checked out his vids and there's some excellent insightful stuff covering a whole range of areas. I think Jeff's background/career gives him an additional edge. Plus I also like how he comes across and communicates - presentation style in this kind of thing is pretty crucial to for me.
I agree. Clear, concise and to the point. He is probably the best coach I have seen on the webs. The only coach on web that I would pay for at this point.
Have you guys seen the essential tennis videos? wow... I checked it out and it takes a 20 min video to explain the trophy pose. Yes.... 20 minutes.
Went to sign up for the course based on this thread and noticed that the price has increased from $10/month to $20/month. For those who are already members, do you think that the site justifies a doubling in price? I was excited to sign up for $10/month, but at $20/month, I'm much more hesitant.
I was just about to sign up as well.... I meant to do it weeks ago. I am hesitant at 20 as well. Netflix has the sweet spot at 7 bucks per month for streaming. 7 bucks Its low enough to keep and not worry about value. At 20 for tennis I think he will lose more potential users.
Never said there's anything wrong with making a living or marketing. Please don't put words in my mouth.
In the first two videos that I viewed the entire front end was a sales pitch which was a big turn off for me. The ratio of self promotion to value was so bad I had no interest in shelling out cash.
Recommendation: if you're truly serious about this then do the following. Instead of trying to start a forum flame war along with Torres think about my feedback as a prospective customer and know that it's very likely you never heard from many people like me. They saw the hard sell and moved on without providing you feedback. Positive or negative the most valuable prospects a business person has are those who engage you. They provide additional reference points and course corrections.
The worst are the silent ones.
Conduct yourself as a serious business person. This is a public forum. When faced with negative feedback the best course is usually to think first and respond later. And usually the best response is, "Thanks for your valuable feedback, I'll certainly think about it" and leave it at that, no matter how you really feel.
A sself-destructive and rather immature course of action is to misleadingly ascribe comments to a prospective customer.
Great chance for me to clarify a basic doubt after watching the video - is the kick/second serve finish on the same side of the body or not? Yes or no only please.
yes. (for a lot of people. Including me. I guess you can do it opposite as well.)
That may be true for businesses in general when faced with negative comments on yelp for example, but I would rather see a tennis coach, especially a former pro, get passionate and angry when criticized on a tennis forum, rather than doling out robot-like responses. Leave that to the faceless big corporations.
I said yes or no only
I have seen plenty of material saying both finishes are OK. I want ONE answer as I don't have time to focus on both alternatives.
Yes then. Its better.
You clearly don't have much self-awareness, because you're the one posting the wildly inaccuate comments, when you very clearly haven't watched any of his coaching videos. You're just being ultra dumb because he's got lots of coaching videos on his website.
All you're doing with your subsequent (and unduly defensive) post is showing that you just have weird personal hang ups by trying to sound high and mighty, and that you like taking cheap pot shots at someone who's out there producing great content and extremely useful coaching material.
Sorry if you've had a bad experience with a coach in the past, but sort yourself out and stop taking your hang ups out on someone else with your silly comments.
Is it like the $199 barrier for tennis frames?
Maybe. It just looks wrong. 20 is not that much but it looks wrong on the sign up page. Weird I know.
Personally, I grew up when the Internet was not around. To learn something, I had to read a book, and later there was the option to watch lessons on tape or disc, and they would also be in the format of traditional lectures. Interactive learning wasn't there except in an actual classroom (or court).
So I would find a lot of information scattered all over the place and updated fast to be pretty distracting. Technology is not yet at the point that I can go and ask for "does the second (kick) serve finish on the same side or not?
in any form or fashion, and the technology would search all of the text, video and audio on a tennis site and give me the answer if it is present. I would probably have to watch all the videos and read all the articles on the second serve.
Say I get a new forehand tip every week. What would I do with it? How many of them would I incorporate? If I am on vacation, would I feel that I would have to "catch up" like I do for my work email? When would I be done?
Since Netflix was mentioned, our experience was that ultimately we stopped subscribing to it. We had the plan for up to 3 videos at a time or something like that, and what happened was that we spent a lot of time selecting movies, reading their reviews, and adding them to the queue. Then when they arrived, and we didn't have time to watch them, we felt obliged to somehow watch them or we felt guilty about spending the money on the subscription. We ordered math lessons for the kid to convince ourselves there was value to it, but he resented being forced to watch them.
It became a chore and we got trapped by what we had created. So we ended up stopping it.
I disagree with TimO. The Internet is about transparency. I have my own web business that I have made successful because I am really good at what I do, and I respond very fast to my clients.
I also turn down business when I feel the time invested is not worth the money being made.
I too give free advice and tips and this allowed me to build a network among other reasons.
My point is that Jeff is doing you a favor by responding, especially if you factor in the argument that he needs to "think like a businessman". If he did that, he would not even acknowledge you as a potential consumer and you would receive an email with a template response.
Business has and will change on the web. It has evolved into much more transparency, and the old model in many ways is dead.
Sorry, there is no simple Yes/No answer here. Some elite players finish on the same side of the body. Probably more of the current players finish across the body. The "dirty diaper" drill is not supposed to be a complete follow-thru. It is a drill that emphasizes a part of the follow-thru (just after contact).
What do you think of parents making a 8 year old change his brother's diapers?
Jeff, are you planning on adding short segment on how to read your opponent and anticipating your opponent's shots ? i think this is especially important when playing big servers and big hitters in general. Thanks in advance, my friend.
Yes and no.
The modes and pace of customer interaction have changed tremendously.
But the fundamentals have remained the same: know what your customers and prospective customers are thinking and adjust accordingly.
If someone tells you they're bored with a 10 minute sales pitch it's probably a good idea to listen. My opinion of this guy is based on some e-mail I received from him through a third party marketing partner (it may have even been FYB, I don't remember at the moment).
The e-mail and link promised all sorts of valuable tennis information. I clicked on the video and was treated to 10+ minutes of Jeff telling me how much I was GOING to learn once he was done telling me how wonderful he was. My 11 year old was watching too and felt the same way: where's the tennis? It felt deceptive.
Recommendation: in doing an e-mail blast say what you're offering and then deliver it. Don't promise amazing tennis content and then deliver a 10 minute sales pitch. I got two such pitches from Jeff and both were equally boring.
By comparison when I got e-mails from Essential Tennis they focused on what they promised: here's a video on tennis issue X and X is what I saw immediately upon clicking.
I do agree with PP on one aspect of changes wrought by the interent: you don't have much time to hook a prospect and there are SO many competitors you can't afford to miss the target the first time. A 10 minute sales pitch isn't what I'd call internet-pace.
I think Jeff's site is well worth the money and will repay the effort you put into it. If I don't have time to invest in tennis homework for the upcoming month, I can just not renew and then join again when I do have it.
For all of the guys who have tennis sites like fyb, who never made the tour, as Jeff did, how does he not deserve our support? His vids are simple, well illustrated and to the point and he is good on camera. Anyone who has tried to win on tour or even a tournament should be able to say, "That guy knows what he is doing.", and act accordingly.
I completely agree. In any business, you have to put a degree of goodwill out there (whether in terms of free advice or tips) to push the 'brand', but know when a supposed 'potential client' is just going to be a timewaster or is going to be so ultra high maintenance in terms of time and effort required that it simply isn't worth the returns.
Its inevitable that from time to time you you have to deal with the latter, but too many of them are just toxic to the business and stop you from developing the business or take up too much of your time at the expense of cultivating or working with existing clients and developing potential new ones.
It's quite clear that TimothyO is never going to sign up to this course because of his pre-existing hang ups, personal agenda, and wanting everything his own way (as well as his propensity to get his facts all wrong). Those are the sort of high maintenance timewasters that you'd want to avoid as a business.
Being on the tour, or even being a great tennis player has little to do with the ability to impart knowledge or even having the knowledge to impart.
Case in point: Jimmy Connors teaching videos.
Jimmy might be fine in teaching highly ranked ATP level players who already have all the strokes what to do to get to the next level, but he is advice at that recreation level is let's just say not very insightful or helpful. Since 99% of people buying this program are going to be rec level players, being a former ATP player is largely irrelevant to this group. It doesn't mean that the instruction is good or bad, but being a tour player doesn't instantly impart some high level of credibility.
Hi bc puckett, The launch of T3 is over so you can jump in for $19.95 a month. You can sign up here at jttp://jeffsalzensteintennis.com/T3InnerCircle/sp1-regular. Hope to see you on the inside.
Thanks for the nice words about the dirty diaper video!
Yes, it works great!
Yes it works great!
HI Beerbutz, Any video analysis is juts like taking a lesson from me live. You can email me at firstname.lastname@example.org for rates. Thank you very much!
Good point, but some running forehands you do want to run through it. It really depends how wide the ball is. Having a solid base at the end of most running forehands is preferred.
Thank you very much! You are awesome and I appreciate you spreading the love.
Thank you. We are very passionate about helping people improve!
What? Tour players are the only ones with real cred. They are the ones who know how to play the best, not the couch psych businessmen like fyb. That kid is a potato. Connors is not good with people, and he sucks on camera, and Jeff is and does not. Go to a top ranked junior and ask any of them if they would rather take lessons from Jeff of fyb. Rec. players make up 99% of the world, is true, and that's a fact, and they if taught from day one to play well would play well.
I sure hope so..juts need the Tennis Channel to get behind what I trying to do...help tennis players get better with solid content.
Thanks for the kind words. We are really doing our best to make this work for tennis players all over the world.
Thanks for your insight and comments. We are listening to players in our community and always trying to teach in a concise, effective, easy to learn manner.
Yes, it is $19.95 per month now. Thousands of videos and regular updates. Hope to see you with us.
For the amount of content provided, we believe $20/mth is a huge value.
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