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  1. Jeff Salzenstein

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    Definitely your feedback is welcome and encouraged. we will always work to get better for players and coaches out there. However, I feel it is more than fair to respectably disagree with an opinion and have an open and honest discussion about it. We hope you will check out what we have to offer if you are interested in improving your tennis. Plenty of free content at the blog.
     
  2. Jeff Salzenstein

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    the finish can be on both sides of the body...the same side finish is a good drill to practice as long as you don't feel pain in the shoulder.
     
  3. arche3

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    True. I'm just mad I didn't sign up when it was ten. 20 is not a lot. It just looks wrong on the page visually for me. Its like a mental marketing thing I guess.
     
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    I agree, no anger on this end..juts interested in having an open discussion with valid opinions to consider form all all angles.
     
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    Real cred for what? For playing the best- YES. For teaching rec players? Highly doubtful.

    Just to make it clear, I am NOT comparing Jeff to FYB. I am disputing the notion that being a tour player instantly translates to being a great teacher. Have you seen Henin explain how to hit backhands or Roddick talk about his serve? Roddick basically said he doesn't know how he ended up with his serve, and that he just basically went out one day and did it after being frustrated with his serve. Do you really think that he would add much to a 3.5 player struggling with his serve?

    If you took a group of average rec players 3.0-4.0 level with all kinds of mechanical problems and strokes grooved with bad technique and you gave them 6 months with a top ATP player or 6 months with a teaching pro who has spent his whole career working with rec players correcting their deficiencies, who do you think would be better off at the end of the 6 months?
     
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    I am trying to remember how I finish and I can't! I need to remember to check it the next time.
     
  7. arche3

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    I have a sneaking suspicion I change my serve stance from platform to pinpoint randomly. And some days I just suck. I can't remember how I was coached as a kid. I'm not sure which one I grew up using! Over 20 years away from tennis does that to a person .
     
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    Not now, but after he is retired and if he is coaching, yes.

    I think there is a lot to learn by just watching these people up close and combining it with whatever they may have to say.

    The USPTA exempts pro players from taking the coaching exam. Why? In fact, it was news when Taylor Dent refused to take the exemption and insisted on taking the exam.
     
  9. sureshs

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    That is another thing. I suspect I am halfway between the two stances (dragging my right foot a little)
     
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    If I had a full time coach now I'd own adult league lol. If even to just tell me hey you change your foot position every other serve.
     
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    That would be a first. An adult league player with a full-time coach!
     
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    What looks wrong?
     
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    Power Player, very good take here. It's all about being transparent!
     
  16. Jeff Salzenstein

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    I agree with this explanation. The dirty diaper is a drill to learn a new skill
     
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    Hmmm, good question. Can you be much more specific with your question. There are many ways to go here.
     
  18. Jeff Salzenstein

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    Good point, Jack.
     
  19. sureshs

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    I think he means the amount
     
  20. arche3

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    Nothing wrong in terms of visuals. It is a mental thing for me. Its the same reason a lot stores have sales of $18.00 It mentally looks like a bargain . But 20 does not. $21.00 looks like a bargain.

    I'm nuts obviously.
     
  21. sureshs

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    You can pay him $21 if you want :)
     
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    It would satisfy my ocd. Lol.
     
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    how about $19.99?

    I'm going to join jeff's site to show my support because I like what he's doing and how he goes about it.
     
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    I'm joining too. His free videos tell you actually everything. But just cuts out. The instruction is there. But the very end of video is left out. I'm dying to see the last 30 seconds.
     
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    how long are the actual subscribed videos?
     
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    They vary depending on what's involved. But I don't think its the length of the video that is important - its the usefulness of the content, the quality of the instruction, and whether you can take something away from easily it that has some application to your tennis.

    Obviously, you don't want something too short, but equally you don't want something too long either because it becomes tedious and the message gets muddled.

    You want him to convey the concept clearly, demonstrate it perhaps a couple of times, perhaps from a couple of different angles where necessary (I like the fact he takes time in the course to flip the videos so that he has a 'righty' swing, since most players are right handed), and then you want to be able to get out on the court and get a feel for whatever it is that he's suggesting.

    Have a look at the suggested shuffle step for the 1HB. You don't need a long video for that because he gets to the point straight away:

    http://www.jeffsalzensteintennis.com/1-hand-backhand-tennis-footwork/
     
  27. sureshs

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    I see what arche3 was saying about the video being cut off for non-subscribers.

    It was a great video though, and though I have seen Federer do the big shuffle many times, I never realized how advantageous it was to him on the BH.
     
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    That was an excellent video.
     
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    We hope to see you inside the T3 circle:)
     
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    Goober, you are right...it's one thing to be a great player. It's quite another to be able to teach players of all levels. I am doing my best to teach players of all levels by being a true student of the game.
     
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    Thanks! It's $19.95 per month
     
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    Join our T3 party. Would love to see you with us:)
     
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    Awesome take, Torres! Really appreciate your perspective.
     
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    Yes, this footwork is huge for Federer.
     
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    Thank you!
     
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    Jeff,

    I just tried your 1hbh shuffle footwork method you described in that last video. It works! Fantastic! I was surprised at how much court i could cover with just a couple of steps that way. And it really helps me get good preparation for the execution of the shot. It's less work than what i was doing before and feels more natural when i start the takeback; Kind of like how it feels when i'm just shadow swinging at home. I'm going to work on incorporating this for sure. That's worth the $19.95 right there.

    Great stuff. Keep up the good work. I'll be joining your site this weekend.

    Thanks.
     
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    The shuffle step is interesting. Not sure what I do on my 1HBH. I'll try and
    pay attention the next time I play to see if it makes it easier to cover ground
    quickly and judge the ball.

    Oscar Wegner sent me a video on footwork. In part of it, he actually
    advocates the exact opposite. He recommends a sort of walking step, where
    you walk (or jog/run as needed) to the ball. His philosophy seems to be more
    hand-based and less legs/torso based.

    Do you think the shuffle step allows you to move quicker to the ball
    or is the main advantage being able to keep both eyes on the ball?
    In your video you mentioned that turning sideways and running towards
    the ball makes it harder to keep both eyes on the ball. What if you turned
    (to make running easier) but kept your upper body angled towards the net
    as you run and only turned your shoulder (coiled) as the ball got closer?
     
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    I am not trying to be mean or something, but just claiming that you don't fit his depiction isn't peculiarly efficient, nor sensible... A saying goes that the Devil would be telling you he's not himself if you would ask him and, likewise, all criminals in jails are innocents: you can't just come up with a claim -- you need something to support your contention.

    But I do agree that the accusation is a little too far gone... he could suppose that you do not have interesting material, that your courses are bad or any other comment he might have, but he can't just out of this infer that you willingly provide nonsense just so you make a few more bucks.

    As for my opinion, you already read it somewhere else: I don't give coaches any credit unless they can tell me why they're right when they advise something. Your videos, you told us, are meant to be short and to the point as you are trying to please a certain market, but being this way, they can't be trusted on their own...

    EDIT
    I've just seen your backhand footwork video and there was finally a few sensible justifications. So long as your videos do that, even if it's short, you're at least showing things other people often overlook. It seems you've changed a tad the way you bring up issues and tips which is a good thing.
     
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    I've been stressing the importance of justifying claims... well, here is a video footage of the 2004 Australian Open Finals. Very clear footage, by the way.

    In this point, Federer hits a forehand before having to cover half the court to hit a backhand. He splits, shuffle and steps like Jeff demonstrated in his video. Later i nthe same point, he uses the same footwork pattern to hit a slice backhand.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=oZSivo7JPco#t=36s
     
  44. sureshs

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    So .......... Jeff was right? What is the problem then?
     
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    The problem was that in earlier videos he hardly ever explained the reasoning behind his tips. In this video, he at least goes through a little more details and shows that he has more to bring than the more common brand of instructional videos.

    It's that you can't just take someone's word for anything... and we need more than someone who has been there doing it to show us that his stuff is good. There was a lack, but not in that case.
     
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    so if we take a lesson from a coach in person should we demand that they bring videos of a top 10 pro utilizing the exact technique being taught to establish the credibility of each lesson?
     
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    Yeah that was weird. My site tennistruth.com has more of a substance intro than that! And I'm an amateur!


     
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    Thanks a lot. I would love for you to send all of your tennis friends to my Jeff Salzenstein Tennis blog
     
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    Fay, What can i say. I am so grateful for your kind words and support. We are doing out best over at Jeff Salzenstein Tennis to help players improve as FAST as possible
     

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