Jerzy Janowicz´s Eastern Grip

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  1. Migelowsky

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    I´m glad to see people still using it, I play with a western
    grip but sometimes I get a little mad when people call
    eastern an "ancient grip" even if Federer uses it.
    The other day I watched a video from Lendl, explaining his
    forehand technique and again some poster writes "primitive forehand".
    I just bought "Hitting Hot", short read but like Lendl right to the point,
    simple and efficient.
    Here´s a shot of Janowicz grip:

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  2. boramiNYC

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    a number of top pros use Eastern grip. Fed, Tsonga, berdych, dimitrov, etc. it's not for everyone but it's a grip for special talents. it helps to play beautiful tennis and when done right easy power and pinpoint accuracy.
     
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  3. Netspirit

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    He is 6'8''. All balls are low enough for him.
     
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  4. Bartelby

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    I noticed his shortened lever, but not the eastern grip, on serve.
     
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  5. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    A discussion praising the use of the "ancient" Eastern grip?

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  6. Hi I'm Ray

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    Having used an Eastern grip for 2 years and observing the players who are successful with it, I'd say its easier for taller players to use. A lot of the under 6ft players like myself have a hard time hitting high balls with it. At the rec level, most of the Eastern grip players are troubled by higher bouncing shots, even the taller ones.
     
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  7. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    I agree completely, I use the "extreme" eastern, hybrid of eastern/semi-western, or whatever people call it nowadays. And the high balls and the homogenization of western grippers, it's annoying.

    With high balls, you've got to make up your mind and stick with your decision:
    1) Rely on timing and take the ball early, so you're not giving away the court.
    2) Step back but really hit the ball, because you've given away the court.
     
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  8. Berdych does not, Tsonga does not.
     
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  9. Frank Silbermann

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    I didn't think I'd see correct forehand technique at the pro level ever again. His grip is not just Eastern -- it's _modern_ Eastern (i.e. the variant that characterizes such later champions as Ellsworth Vines, Don Budge, Bobby Riggs and Jack Kramer).

    I do think he should tuck in his shirt, however. Un-tucked shirts are sloppy and make a person look degenerate. (At least he's not wearing Zoot-Suit style shorts.)
     
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  10. Pet

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    An eastern grip with Babolat APD? .... SACRILEGIO!!!
     
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  11. boramiNYC

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    Um.. they do
     
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  12. TennisCJC

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    I think some of the really tall pros can use a full E like Jerczy and Del Po because SW and W are much better for high ball. When you are 6' 6", high balls for most of us are really low balls. Someone like Ferrer who plays a lot of balls at shoulder height would have a hard time with an E.

    Jano's grip above looks more E than even Fed and Del Po.

    Personally, I think it is an advantage to play E or E/SW if you can. E is better for low balls and you don't have to change as much to get to your BH and volley grips. But, it is hard to play kicking topspin balls up in your shoulders+ with an E grip.
     
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  14. dominikk1985

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    yes his grip looks almost continental. I think feds grip is more towards SW than JJs grip.

    the whole stroke also looks quite traditional to me
     
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    Yeah, I noticed his eastern grip too and was kinda waiting for this thread to come up.

    For his height and style of play it really works.

    Tsonga and Berd use SW BTW.
     
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  17. boramiNYC

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    when you understand the wrist is cocked at the maximum even more than with SW it can appear very similar at the contact point but how you get there are very different. wrist snap that happens passively or actively or whatever during the forward swing make the max wrist cocking possible. BTW stance and leg usage pretty accurately reflect the grips for pro level tennis.
     
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  18. boramiNYC

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    Add gasquet, fish, stepanek, sampras to that list.
     
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    Not sure how any of this relates to grip. When you look at close up photos of most of the players you've mentioned, it's clear they're not using eastern.
     
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  20. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    I'm not sure if Gasquet uses an Eastern, or any variation of an Eastern.
     
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  21. Xizel

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    Tsonga and Gasquet looks pretty SW to me. Also explains why shorter players copying Fed's grip is a road of hardship (me included). It's inconsistent having to always adjust wrist angle to deal with high balls and topspin kicks.
     
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  22. boramiNYC

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    when you try to maximize movements and mobility a small grip change will necessitate changes in almost all aspects of the body. a grip will decide many things even to the style of game as you go higher up in performance.

    vast majority of rec players who use SW will say Fed uses SW when they see Fed's photo at contact point if they don't know that he uses E. same as all those other players. as I said it's not easy at all to tell SW from E at the moment of contact from a photo. stance, balance, swing path, and ball trajectory tell the grip quite accurately.
     
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  23. TheCheese

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    Extreme eastern is a lot different than eastern. You can get a lot more spin with that grip.
     
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  24. rkelley

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    Agreed. Just that small change really improve one's ability to pull the racquet up and get more topspin. You can get great topspin with an E grip, but it is harder to do.

    Interestingly, my grip as naturally been shifting from a extreme/strong E. to almost full SW in the last few months. I've been making some tweaks to my swing and I think the grip thing has been happening because of that. I'm just going to go with it since I've been pleased with the changes.
     
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    It's actually an Aero Storm, but the two have very similar if not the same paintjobs if I can remember correctly, maybe a few colors flipped around
     
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  26. USS Tang

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    What's wrong with you guys? I use a continental grip on both sides. That way I never have to adjust it, be it for a drive, volley, serve, lob, drop shot, or overhead
     
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  27. SFrazeur

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    It's Semi-western. The Knuckle is on bevel #4.

    -SF
     
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  28. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    He be ballin'
     
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  29. SFrazeur

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    It's a bad trade off. You lose so much by at lest not switching to an eastern on the backhand groundstrokes.

    -Sf
     
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  30. USS Tang

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    If there's one single stroke that cries out for the continental grip, it's the one-handed backhand. Read the literature.
     
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  31. greystar403

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    Announcers said at a tournament (the name escapes me at the moment), "Old school continental" when refering to Gasquet's forehand.
     
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  32. boramiNYC

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    his swing is very topspin oriented instead of hitting thru the ball and his contact point is somewhat retreated compared to other eastern players. a regular eastern player trying to hit topspin with conti grip will look kinda like gasquet's FH so that commentator is not too far off but I have good reason to believe it's E or one of the variations of it.
     
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  33. SStrikerR

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    Yeah, I honestly have no complaints with this grip. I can hit pretty much as high as I want, I can drive it at any point, or anywhere inbetween. Also, high balls aren't a problem like they would be with full eastern, and low balls aren't the problem they would be with a more western grip. On an off day it might be hard for me to get as much spin as I want, but that's all me.
     
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  34. sundaypunch

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    Yes, if you are slicing the ball. For a topspin 1-hander you aren't going to get many people that recommend continental.
     
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  35. anubis

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    I use an eastern grip because I don't know how to hit hard with a SW grip. My shots are just loopy, spinny and slow with SW. If I hit eastern, they are flat, but significantly faster.
     
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