Jim Courier analysis of Murray match

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  1. Nostradamus

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    Courier stated that If Murray went on to lose that 3rd set after having 5 match points, Murray would have gone on to lose the match in 5 sets. Do you agree ??

    courier's reason is Andy would have been devastated beyond help and would not have recovered after dumping so many match points in 3rd set.:confused:
     
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  2. veroniquem

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    Wow Courier is really in love with the Djoker :) (I can relate, I enjoy watching him play much more than Murray myself)
    Nonsense though. Murray would have won this match in 4 or in 5 probably as well (Did Courier miss the USO 2012 final :confused:)
     
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    I think Novak would have won the 4th set but because of the heat and the fact that Novak had just played the long 5 set match against Delpo, I think Andy would have rebounded and won the 5th set.
     
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  4. hrstrat57

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    I would have liked Novak's chances.....
     
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  5. Antonio Puente

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    Murray said something similar himself. He said he was dead tired and couldn't say what might have happened.
     
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  6. Torres

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    Okay, link to the article.
     
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  7. Nostradamus

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    This guy does not have tennis channel,,obviously. LOL

    Article ?? what article ??? NObody is talking about any article... You don't watch Tennis channel post match analysis,,,obviously. :???: or you think Tennis channel does not exist. You are the one previously banned for putting up nothing but trolling in the forum. I am relatively new here.
     
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  8. Antonio Puente

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    Other people discussing it, that is. So, unless, for some unknown reason, they are conspiring with Nostradamus, I tend to believe he said it. Not that it matters.
     
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  9. Nostradamus

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    I am sure Tennis channel will repeat this post match analysis with Courier, MJ Carillo post Wimbledon analysis. I just saw it again about 1 hour ago and it must have been 2nd time I heard it and saw it from Courier.

    Have to admit though, Carillo did react like she was surprised when she heard Jim say that. I think Carillo disagreed with what he said but they ended the show right then so Mary didn't have the chance to give her counterpoint.....LOL:)
     
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    Well, it doesn't matter if he said ir or not. Truth is that if Djokovic would have ended winning that set after 4 MPs he would probably have won in 5.
     
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    I don't know what Courier did or did not say, but once Andy won the first two sets, I think he'd have won whether it went 3, 4 or 5.
     
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    This makes sense to me.
     
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    if murray lose that game, it'll be 5-5, and I'd say murray will either win it in 7-5 or in a tie-break.

    joker is not winning that third set, his body language says it all, he may be able to hold out a bit longer, but the final outcome is clear no matter what.
     
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    Was supporting Novak but I agree with previous poster.. Novak has so many chances to get back in 4-1 up 2nd set 4-2 up 3rd set but never possessed the body language he wanted to be there, breaking back would have prolonged the match but I don't think it would have altered the outcome on this occasion.
     
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    I can see Djokovic winning in 5 had Murray blown the lead in the 3rd set. I think Murray's spirit would have been crushed to pieces and the nerves would really start kicking in..

    That is just an "if" scenario. Murray played superb tennis to shut the door on Djokovic right there and then.
     
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  16. Nostradamus

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    point of comment from Jim Courier was that if Andy had blown those 5 match points and went on to lose the 3rd set, he felt like Andy could never recover from that. Andy wasn't just trying to win a tennis match, he was carrying the 77 years of frustration of English tennis history.
    and Jim just felt like Andy couldn't handle that if he blew all those match points and got broken and lost the 3rd set.

    We will never know now. :)
     
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    Alas, Just saw it on Tennis channel again. Exact Quote from Jim Courier himself.

    "I really think if Andy had lost that game and it was 5-5 in the 3rd set, I would have put all my money on Novak coming back and winning the match in 5 sets"
    "I really don't think Andy could have recovered from having those match points, pressure would have been too much" " I liked Novak winning it in 5 sets at that point"

    Jim Courier on Tennis Channel with Mary Carillo and Martina Navratilova.
     
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  18. vive le beau jeu !

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    wow, am i agreeing with the lumberjack on this one ?
     
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    Yes, I saw before. Don't agree, but well never know.

    Btw, Jim Courier was looking awful puffy.
     
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    I disagree. Djokovic has done it plenty of times, this time was no different. He looked done against Fed @ the USO down 2 match points but still came through. Murray said at the end that that game took EVERYTHING out of him. You could see how mentally strong Murray was in that game, because Djokovic hit some monsters. Had he been broken his spirit would have been destroyed for at least the rest of the third and most/all of the fourth. The fifth likely would have been a decent one had Murray been able to put it together, but I see Djokovic winning it. Thankfully we can only speculate :).

    Loved seeing Murray win. Would have preferred Janowicz/Delpo but Murray was the next best thing.
     
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    Also think the points about Djoker's body language/attitude are valid in this discussion. With the exception of the last two Aussie Open's, this has been a common them with him. Random lapses in huge slam SF's and F's.

    He looked out of the 2012 French SF vs. Rafa, then got going when the rain came, but ultimately lost.

    Looked lackluster in his SF loss to Fed in the 2012 Wimbledon.

    Let the windy conditions take him out of the match in the first two sets of the 2012 USO final.

    Again, had a couple of lapses in the 2013 RG final that cost him a chance at the first two sets he lost in that match, not to mention the net touch in the fifth set that allowed Rafa to get back even.

    Then, this final he looked disengaged from the start and never did really get/seem into the match.

    Will he be motivated and focused enough for the USO?

    It his human nature to struggle with motivation and focus when you've reached the top of the mountain. I think that point, and Djokovic's example in particular, underscore just how impressive and amazing Federer and Nadal are and have been for maintaining that fire for such an extended period. Both guys have been well-documented but...

    Federer - 237 consecutive weeks at No. 1, a stretch where he made 18 of 19 slam finals, 23 straight SF's, 36 straight QF's, etc.

    Nadal - Wins everything on clay, never a letdown, 8 RG titles (only one loss ever there), 8 Monte Carlo's (or is it 9?), there's a reason no one has ever won a slam 8 times until now

    Even if you are fortunate enough to have the physical ability to play at that level for an extended period of time, it is so difficult to sustain the necessary motivation and focus to repeat that success time after time on the court. These two guys have made it look so routine for so long, I think we've lost perspective on just how amazing they've been. I think some of us, after 2011, were just expecting Djokovic to carry that mantle forward, roll off 2-3 more multiple slam seasons and get in the discussion with Rafa, Pete, Roger and Borg. But, its not that simple and its not that easy.
     
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    That old saying.....how does that go ?? Proof is in the Tennis Channel....LOL
     
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  23. Ginger ninja

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    Murray's a different proposition these days. US open 2012 being the required evidence
     
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    I had a feeling something very horrible was going to happen had Murray lost the third set from serving for the biggest moment in British sporting history 40 - love up.
     
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