Jim Courier shaking the umpire's chair in 1993

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  1. Moose Malloy

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    In light of all the Serena talk(& how 'threatening' she was during that tirade), I wanted to see if anyone remembers what Courier did during a match with Mark Woodforde at '93 Key Biscayne.

    I didn't see the match(don't think it was even televised - those were togh times to be a tennis fan, we couldn't see every match, like today), but in the intro for the next day's match they showed highlights of this match, showing Courier screaming at the umpire after a bad call.

    After he lost that game, as he was walking by the umpire during the changeover, he reached out & violently shook the umpire's chair(the guy almost fell out of it)

    Cliff Drysdale & Mary Carillo were irate that he wasn't defaulted, went on & on about it during that days match, said he should be suspended, etc.

    Then, the next day, they forgot all about it(guess it didn't turn into a 'story' like they were hoping)

    I'm always a little surprised that Courier isn't mentioned much when todays fan/media mention how bad players used to behave.

    Yes, he didn't lose it as much as Mac or Connors, but when he did it was a much scarier sight(maybe because he was so much bigger than those guys)
    I have his match vs Rosset at the '92 DC final on tape, at one point he goes completely ballistic on the umpire - Carillo, Stolle, & Drysdale were aghast. The guy's face just turned beet red.
     
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  2. ZhengJieisagoddess

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    Courier lost me when he took off on TV in a tirade against Tracy Austin.
     
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  3. Moose Malloy

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    found this:

    http://www.nytimes.com/1993/03/19/sports/tennis-double-up-and-out-for-no-1-courier.html
     
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    "Courier even vented his discomfort on the chair umpire, Dana Loconto, shaking his chair and earning a code violation during a third-set changeover just after dropping his serve to trail 4-1.

    "I had a poor performance and he had a poor performance in the chair," said an unrepentant Courier. "It happened in the heat of the moment; I don't regret anything."

    Neither did the 27-year-old Woodforde, a veteran on the mend from knee injuries and confidence trouble. He not only advanced to the quarterfinals against 48th-ranked Marcos Ondruska, who eliminated ninth-seed Michael Stich in straight sets, but also climbed into the top 20 for the first time in his career."

    They should have fined Courier $350,000, and banned him for life!!!
     
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  5. SVP

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    Courier is tightly wound

    Courier has this mellow, soft-spoken persona when doing commentary. I find this incongruous with his reputation in his playing days as one of the most intense guys when it came to training and physical fitness. The guys who keep it bottled up are the scariest ones.
     
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  6. Ripper014

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    Referring back to sins of the past are reasons to move forward and put in measures to ensure this sort of behaviour doesn't continue. It is not a reason to use these examples to somehow make what Serena did seem exceptable. It was not acceptable back then... and it certainly is not acceptable now.
     
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    The ATP and WTA was much more lenient back then. Jim Courier is a great American who won 4 grand slams, founded several foundations that go towards supporting tennis programs in inner cities, he founded InsideOut Sport and Entertainment, owns and operates the Outback Champions Series, and serves as a tennis commentator, among other things. You can't compare a great American like Jim Courier to pure trash like Serena for example who tells an umpire that "I will kill you". She's the kind of person we don't need in tennis; the WTA should suspend her for all of 2010.
     
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  8. GS

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    Okay, here's a trivia question for you guys:
    Back in '95 at Wimbledon, which player argued with an ump and then walked off the court? Later, he was fined a total of $63,000 and was banned from playing the upcoming US Open and the next Wimbledon in '96. (He was partially fined for an "audible obscenity" by the ump, after the player only told the booing crowd to "shut up".)
    No fair google-searching this player, please.
    So this guy argues, walks off, then is fined and banned from playing, but Queen Serena only gets a $10,500 slap on the wrist so far? (Oops, that word, 'slap', is a giveaway to the question up above....)
     
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  9. uk_skippy

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    Jeff Tarango??
     
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  10. GS

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    Yea, Skippy wins! (That slap reference gave it away, right?)
    So, who has more dignity today, Tarango or Serena? He just walked off the court, while she says the f-word three times in her famous sentence, which ended with "kill you".
    I laughed at more of her quotes later on:
    "I'm not knocking her for her not doing her job." Huh?
    "I probably WAS foot-faulting." Huh?
    And did you catch her mom's quotes later on? Pathetic. I'm glad I never heard any of Richard's....
    At least Venus was classy and kept quiet, on the most part.
    Keep plugging your new book, Serena! We all know you need the money, plus some dignity....
     
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    damm I wanted to answer the question first. Tarango's wife also slapped the umpire Bruno Rebeuh
     
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  12. GS

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    It's funny, though---Tarango's wife was never charged with assault, nor did Tarango have to pay extra for her slap. Serena verbally threatened that lineswoman. Time to pay more dough, girl. Or else enroll in an anger management program. Or both.
    But the ITF or the "Committee" probably doesn't have the balls to fine and ban her, since the Queen is #2 in the world, and the WTA needs to sell tickets.
    Tarango paid the price, but he wasn't a top player back in the mid-90s. But Serena might skate away? Pathetic....
     
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  13. vive le beau jeu !

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    not surprising from this brutal lumberjack... he should have been defaulted. [​IMG]
     
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    I am of this camp. Just because people got away with a lot more in the past, doesn't mean that behavior should be considered acceptable and not be looked over today. In many pro sports, behavior which was not punished or lightly punished years ago now gets bigger fines and penalities. Instead of bringing up events before and what people got away with the discussion should be focussed on what is consider acceptable behavior and how do we deter unacceptable behavior in the future.
     
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    Frankly, I don't understand the uproar from Serena's defenders. She was only docked one measly point.

    That it just happened to be match point is nobody's fault but her own.
     
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    Normally I don't defend Serena and frankly what she said was definitely wrong but oh man are you intense about a topic you know nothing really about.

    I am pretty sure the exact quote that has been released said Serena did not say I will kill you..The released quote from the AP was

    "I swear to God, if I could I would shove this ****ing ball down your ****ing throat"

    A lot different form I will kill you but definitley not leaps and bounds better.

    Second of all before you say Serena hasn't done anything with her money good google The Serena Williams Secondary School. You might be a tad bit shocked.

    Gosh Serena was disgusting in what she did but this is far from the end of the world, and besides learn your facts about somebody. Serena has donated a good share of money to programs providing education for underprivileged kids. Hell how many other tennis players outside of Andre Agassi donated a sum of money to have a school built?
     
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    well...you're right...she didn't say "I" but what I heard was "and kill you" after what you quoted.
     
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    ??? That's just too weird. :confused:
     
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    After his wife slapped the ump, she said she had to do it, because if Tarango did it, he'd be thrown out of tennis.
     
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    First, Tarango was a serial offender. Second, on that day he misbehaved repeatedly, not just once, he called the ump "the most corrupt official in tennis", finally walked off the court, while his wife slapped the ref.

    Whoever watched this (as I did) will ahve little doubt that this was entirely different quality than Serena's outburst. As many other things in the old days had: Courier's shaking of the umpire's chair was already mentioned; McEnroe in 1985 kicked a cameraman on court.
     
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  21. GS

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    At Palm Springs in the late 80s or early 90s, McEnroe missed a shot, then pushed over a hefty TV camera by the side of the court---the cameraman fell out of his chair and escaped injury---he could of had his leg fractured or broken by that heavy thing. Cliff Drysdale couldn't believe that officials allowed McEnroe to continue playing, but they did.
     
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    The Rock could get pretty hot out there. I always remember him playing Sampras in Miami in the mid 90s. First set goes to a TB and Jim did not like a call by the chair ump on a Sampras serve which Jim thought was way out. Jim lost the TB and was down 0-40 on Pete's serve in the first game of set two. He hit a forehand return that nailed the chair ump right in the leg, then raised his hand to say Sorry. But you knew he did it on purpose :) classic Courier.
     
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    Totally irrelevant. Tarango's 'other" behavior doesn't matter. The real key is that he did not finish the match. Of course, by that same token, he robbed himself of a chance to go on at Wimbledon (he himself expressed great (and I think sincere) regret at that the next day).

    A bigger fine may be justified for Tarango, but while it's not necessarily relevent to the fine amount, I will point out that the sum Tarango got hit with was FAR FAR more substantial than that fine is to Serena. That is one week's dress money for her. She couldn't care less.

    In addition, if Tarango gets suspended, he's out of luck. There aren't going to be big money exhibitions for him to play. Suspend Serena, and she can still make money like you wouldn't believe. Want to hurt her? Ban her from GRAND SLAM play for 1 or 2 years!
     
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  24. GS

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    Tarango is playing the Challenger tournaments now, and is doing okay, beating up on the kids.
    He got banned from 2 Slams and got fined $63,000 total for walking off that court at Wimbledon. It's been weeks since Serena went on a swear-filled tirade at the Open, yet some Grand Slam committee or the ITF still hasn't fined her more than the $10,500 she got hit with, and hasn't gotten banned from anything. Guess they're just gonna let Queen Serena slide. Not really fair, is it?
     
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    I enjoyed watching Courier get beat soundly in WTT by nobodies.
     
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    I wonder how roger acts when he's venting steam
     
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  27. wimble10

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    I was never a big Courier fan. I think it's kind of weird that he used to read a book during changeovers.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQdwBCcC13I
    This video has some clips or Courier and Tarango arguing w/ umpires.
     
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