Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by jayoub95, Mar 16, 2012.
yup. still a serving dork VS a zombie Djoko.
no need to start hyping around.
I hope Isner makes it to #1. It is time for tennis to evolve and favor the big and tall players. Isner might end up being the link between the extinct short players and the new breed of tall players. Future generations will debate how short people like Federer and Nadal would fare against the players of their generation, just like we discuss Laver now.
I hope you're not trying to highlight our lack of knowledge about tennis?
Just beat... Djoker? Something it seems like everyone has trouble doing? Strung together good wins at a 1000 event and took out the world #1 on the road to the final, Id say he deserves more than just a look. Also I recall him taking down Fed on clay (be it not the best) in Switzerland... I think Big John is on his way up.
I remember there was a poster here talking about how much "stronger" this era is than a few years ago when Federer was dominating, because Nadal had to play Isner in the first round of the FO last year. Well, turns out the only reason he had to play Isner in round 1 last year is a man named Nicolas Mahut, who physically and mentally drained him for months. If not for that, Isner would've remained in the Top 20. Less than a year later, he's about to be a Top 10 player.
No, a potential top 9...maybe
John Isner is just full of surprises isn't he..
Yeah it was all serve. Isner did nothing but serve well and managed to beat Djokovic. Oh wait.
Simon gave the match away.. and Djokovic choked.. this is a first time in a year that Djokovic showed some mental weakness.... Isner should play basket ball or something.. I think tennis should make a rule anyone over 6.7' serve underhand or something.. this guy is a bore to watch..
Dude hit some amazing forehands and moved extremely well for a guy his size. Somehow he's "boring." Lol.
Why are you hating against Isner dude... he's not boring to watch at all. You have to give some credit to Isner because you don't just beat the world number 1 without playing some good tennis even if Djokovic choked a bit.
Hahahahahahahaha what a djoke.
The guy has good serves. If you don't lose your service game how can you lose?
Simon didn't give the game away. I was there, Isner clearly started off shakey and gave away a ton of points. Simon moved and hit very well throughout the match, came back and swept Isner in the 2nd, and consistently served in around 124-126mph. Isner gave Simon a lot of unforced error points but he pulled it together in the end and earned that victory.
Isner is already ranked 11 (heard he is moving to at 10 with the victory over Djoko) and has a lot of holes in his game, which means he still has a lot of potential for growth if he can button his game up a bit more. His service game is already good but his serves land too far from the service box line/too shallow and not enough angles, it also looks like he has to hold back a lot on his ground strokes while the other guys hit full out. If he could get his serves in deeper and find more angles, and be able to hit full out on his groundstrokes while keeping it in he could do very well.
Isner has to work harder on being relaxed and consistent with the groundies. But coming from someone who was there and saw everything i concur with your opinion.
I don't hate any body.. but it's just kind of unfair for the other player.. Imagine u serve from the tree down.. Isner just blindly went for broke whenever he has chance.. either hit or miss.. Karlovic and Isner are the 2 most boring guys to watch.. and no.. I don't hate any of them.. Just don't like their games..
Its not his fault he is tall and because of this he has a serve as a weapon. A small player at about 5 ft 9 would have speed and groundies as a weapon. His game is alright and for some reason i enjoy watching the bug guys play so i'll have to agree to disagree with you there.
Karlovic is nothing without his serve. Isner still a solid tennis player without an amazing serve.
Yeah thats true. When Karlovic played Federer in the 2012 AO the only reason why the sets where reaching tie breaks was because Karlovic kept holding his serve but couldn't break Feds serve but because Feds is way better on the baseline he gets the win..
Alot of Isner hate here. Some are making Isner sound boring other say Djokovic just choked ETC. Let me tell you, Isner has made huge strides with his game and has worked very hard to get to this point in his career. Not long ago I found his game boring but his ground game and movement are dramatically improved and his forehand is actually a big threat (consistancy is still not there yet with other top players but this is headed the right direction for sure)
Please take a look at this tournament alone:
R3 J. Monaco (22)
R4 M. Ebden (in form w/wins over Kunitsyn, Benneteau (32),Fish (8) )
QF G. Simon (13) (world class mover/ ground game)
SF N. Djokovic (1)
His draw has a bit of everything but I would like to point out that it is heavy on solid movers with great return/ground ability.
* If he wins the final over either Nadal or Federer I would like to nominate Isner for the toughest draw (trophy) of the year to date.
He is versing Feds in the finals and i think it could go either way because both of them are playing really well.
When Isner beats Djokovic off the baseline like he did today, he is definitely going to go up.
Looks really determined and wants that title.
Todd Martin in straight sets.
I love this kid!!!!
USA only have 2 legit young guns.. Young and Harrison. Roddick's declining and Isner is reaching the point in his career where he has to make it or break it. 26 years old isn't young so i think this is his big chance to shine and go for gold!
Yess! Isner joins the top 10.
Not sure about this one. I'd say he's a 7-9 player, just due to the fact that he relies so heavily on his serve and the 1, 2 punch. Top 5 means grinding out guys like Ferrerrrrr, Tsonga and JMDP on a consistent basis. It's possible, but probably not likely.
If he works harder on his groundies this year then it is possible. Nothing is impossible. You can do anything if you believe and i think Isner is really starting to believe in himself after beating Djokovic and some other big names.
Well put. Isner is playing as well as he possibly can. If his serve drops just a bit, or his groundies just miss the line, instead of just catching, he's going to struggle against the top guys.
Actually he's said he likes slow courts - and he beat Federer on clay over 5, and took both Nadal and Djokovic to 5 on clay in davis cup, so it seems true.
But I agree, top 8 but not top 5
I wonder what Isners goals are now that he is in the top 10.
Isner wouldnt be a top 500 player if he had someone like Feds serve. And Fed has a great serve. With that said he has to serve excellent to stay in the top 10 and he isnt cracking the top 5. Isners movement and ground game is very very weak compared to the rest of top 10.
Isner has always served well but has also added the component of being able to mix it up with great baseline players. I posted earlier in this thread that his road to this particular final is laced with wins over tough defenders with great movement, consistancy and versatility (players who challenge every aspect of his game including both wings from the baseline)
He missed alot of forehands (which is in my opinion his second biggest weapon) against G. Simon and Simon was getting alot of first serves back. His return game and all court coverage show signs of improvement. You don't beat a guy like Giles Simon (and definately not Novak) by only hitting serves and forehands. He's returned well to break serve.
Here are his latest clay court results against the top three... I can assure you that none of these guys takes this guy lightly on slow surfaces either.
Roland Garos - Nadal d. Isner 6-4, 6-7(2), 6-7(2), 6-2, 6-4
Davis Cup - Djokovic d. Isner 7-5, 3-6, 6-3, 6-7(6), 6-4
Davis Cup - Isner d. Federer 4-6, 6-3, 7-6(4), 6-2
* I'm not ready to annoint this guy yet, and I can promise that it will take everything Isner has plus some good fortune to beat Federer tomorrow, but this guy is with out doubt the strongest American player we have at the moment. He's also proving he deserves these wins (and ranking that will follow if it continues)
Federer can choke you know by shanking a lot of balls.
Lets hope not.
I'm hoping he does. Mostly it happens on the backhand.
If he continues playing this way, he certainly can be.
honest truth. he's on a hype now. top 10 or not.
A S&V player in top 5 can't be a bad thing.
Don't see why not, clearly he's capable of beating #6, 7, 8 and 9 on a consistent basis if he's playing well. And apparently everyone's switching the #5 position on a regular basis so yes he can be a top 5 player in this era of men's tennis.
Thanks for pointing out that in each of his hard fought clay matches where he was as fresh as can be he has struggled to win but 1 of those matches, and that guy is 30/31, only fulfilling his DC obligation in that rd. We will see how a real match with huge implications is handled today, trying to back a semi victory over the number 1 and defending champ.
All this Isner hype....i chose a bad time to come back to this forum i see....
wait a day or two, it will pass
People keep referring to Isner as a serve and volley player. He is not; he serves and volleys very occasionally. His typical pattern is generally serve to open the court, hit forehand to open court. He does come to net some but definitely not a S & V player.
I think Isner has the potential to upset the top four when they are having a bad day but I cannot see him being a constant threat. Anyway we shall have to wait until the slams to see how much he has really improved
Ok so let's try and deal with this now.
No problems with the court right ? Fed is mono free and his confidence is sky high .
Can you think of any "reasons" beforehand?
Isner was has been looking scary good, he is running around the backhand hitting inside out forehand and he is 6'9"!:shock:
Too late. He already beat the world number 1 yesterday fair and square.
And also recently beat world number 3 Federer.
And nearly beat world number 2 Nadal last year on clay at Roland Garros!!
And nearly beat world number 4 Murray at last years USO.
Isner is beating and competing with the top 4 on all surfaces.
Originally Posted by Rozroz
wait a day or two, it will pass
Win or lose today, Isner has already more than proven what he can do.
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