John Isner, ace machine watch Australian Open 2013

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  1. ark_28

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    This was no doubt a slightly dissapointing result for John! Although he has won some huge 5 set matches! These longer matches are a bit of a hurdle at the moment but I have no doubt he will overcome it! The match was on his racket anyway!

    Sure it was a good effort from Querrey but as the number 2 playing on day 1 he was not playing with any pressure on him at all so it was far easier to free up and play his shots!

    In any case it's a good thing for team USA that someone else has stepped up :) John carried the USA to the semis last year in order to win it needs the other guys in form! Add to that the Bryan's loss was probably just an aberration and the USA actually look in good shape :)
     
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    Um...Querrey won the decisive rubber, because John couldn't pull through. All the pressure was on Sam in that match.
     
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    My point is! Querrey beat Belluci when the pressure was off as he was playing as the 2nd ranked American!

    Sure he did good winning the deciding match but he only just scraped by against a guy that Isner hammered on day 1!

    Isner has overall been the most clutch player for the US team over the last year or so in DC
     
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    Lol you're so wrong but okay.
     
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    John said on twitter to me last night that his favourite cricket is the scorchers, this is very apropriate seeing as he has a scorching serve!
     
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    A great question. Personally I don't especially love either, but even a Fed fan like myself will have to take Nadal/Djokovic grindfest over the acefest any day.
     
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    great win by Isner the the tiebreak king does it again superb serving display and some real pop on those groundies, this is worrying news for the rest of the tour.
     
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    John was serving absolute bullets tonight and did not even face a break point this is fantastic news for tennis as the game needs this attacking player with the serve forehand combo to be at the peak of his powers!
     
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    Just remember it was Malisse, and not not someone that other pros are really afraid of.
     
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    Decent run for John making the semis in San Jose in what was his first tour event on his come back!

    John is seeded 3 in Memphis and if he finds the range on his serve he's going to be almost impossible to stop this week!
     
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    Bit of a shame that John lost to Istomin last night but John is at a stage in his career where getting up for these matches is tough for John is is about defending his points from the final at the Masters in IW and trying to make the Wimbledon final as he been predicted for him!

    Sure it would have been nice to have a run here this week but John is already a former finalist and he knows his career will not be judged on how he performs in Memphis!
     
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    If Isner could take that clay court he beat Federer on in Switzerland to play all his matches on, he might win a major.
     
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    That was some performance but he has performed well on Clay even outside that match, but that day he was unplayable, Roger lost in 4 sets yet later admitted that he played a good match!
     
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    Isner not looking good the past few months.

    3-4 on the year...

    US Open - R32 Kohlschreiber 4-6, 6-3, 6-4, 3-6, 4-6
    Davis Cup - 0-2 (lost to Almagro and Ferrer)
    Shanghai - R16 Stepanek 4-6, 7-6(5), 3-6
    Valencia - R16 Goffin 6-7(2), 6-4, 4-6
    Paris - R32 Llodra 4-6, 6-7(5)
    Sydney - R16
    Davis Cup - 1-1 Bellucci 6-2, 4-6, 7-6(7), 4-6, 3-6
    San Jose - SF Haas 3-6, 4-6
    Memphis - R32 Istomin 4-6, 3-6

    Up until the US Open, he had a strong 2012, with the exception of his slam performances. Since then, he's struggling with a 7-10 record. Three times he has lost his opening match in a tournament and San Jose is his only good result. He needs to figure it out.
     
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    I think we need to take these results with a pinch of salt, the fact is Jonn had a knee injury which forced him out of the Australian Open and he is just getting back from that, also for John now it is all about the bigger events he needs to achieve his potential in those and defend his points at IW, he knows he his career will be judged on the big ones, so these smaller events probably are not what drives him as much as a lot of the guys who are playing to survive rather than be a champion.
     
  16. Relinquis

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    other pros have figured out his serve... they can read it more and more.
     
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    I do not buy this for a moment, anyone can have a bad serve day his stats v Haas were terrible the first serve % was way down its more about others having to adjust to his serve than him adjusting to anyone else.
     
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    Yes, but Isner has rather a lot of bad serve days. The simple fact is that his serve alone is not always reliable enough to carry him through. He has to back it up with an effective ground game especially against the top guys. In the famous 2010 match against Mahut, his serve was working fine, he served 113 aces but Mahut just served 103 right back at him. He barely won that match and had nothing left for the next round. Raonic is slowly learning that his monstrous serve is not enough by itself which is why he is improving his ground game. Top players are well used to facing monstrous servers and adjusting their games accordingly. It's really nothing new to them.
     
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    Did he have the knee injury last August? He finished the season poorly. I included his USO results, but if you just look at his record since then, it is actually 5-9.

    Sorry, not fully buying that argument. I think he's struggling with his confidence at the moment and the only way to turn that around is string together some wins, which he isn't doing.

    I'm not writing him off, but I do think 10-ish is probably his ceiling. I like Isner, so I hope he turns things around and gets it going.

    It seems like that big DC win over Fed in Switzerland on clay really got him started last year. I think he needs something like that again to regain his confidence and relax a little.
     
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    well he didn't play Australia due to the knee.... if it is still an issue it could have big ramifications on his serve, movement and on his confidence.
     
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    That's why I said I don't fully buy the argument. No doubt, the injury is a factor. But, he played poorly for most of the second half of last season. It didn't just start in 2013 post-knee injury.

    He says the knee is fine, and to me, his movement looks fine. I really think its a mental thing for him at the moment. But, that's just my guess.
     
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    Isner will never win a GS tournament, neither will he be top-5...

    He is just too tall and slow for a tennis player to reach those heights of the game...
     
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    Surely being tall makes it easier to reach heights? :razz:


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    hahaha, sir you really owned me there...
     
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    I remember when Isner won the 2013 AO off of his monster serve.
     
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    You refer to a match 3 years ago! A lot has changed in world tennis in 3 years! But you have correctly highlighted just how devastating John's serve can be!

    Look at when he beat Federer last year not only was he serving huge but by the end of the match he was lining up return winners and breaking Federer at will! That is what he is capable of it's just a question of being match fit and totally focused. That tennis he played in the 4th set was virtually unplayable! Federer even said despite losing in 4 sets that he thought he played a good match!
     
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    your statement is so wrong. Since when it's all about big events for Isner?
    what do you mean by these small events probably aren't what drives him? Even if it doesnt drive him, which probably isnt true, he should win many matches in those small events IF he has potential and talent to do so. It seems that he fails to do that, so what makes you think he doesn't need to do well in those small ones?

    Just face the reality! Isner has already past his peak and is declining every year like how Karlovic has been in the past 5 years.

    You're just hoping that Isner would do well in bigger events, but the chances are: If you can't do well in small events for like 5 consecutive events, you probably won't do well in bigger events.

    These are the reasons why Isner is declining:

    1. His serve isn't as effective as it used to be (just like how it happened to Karlovic), more players can read his serve now.
    2. There are players like Raonic who can serve better, faster, with much more consistent groundstrokes
    3. He's just getting old. His movement was really bad when he was 24-25. Imagine how his movement will be when he's very close to 30!
     
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    I'm afraid as well that Isner is going to end up like Karlovic. Which isn't bad ofcourse but I still hope there will be one grandslam where he can go all the way.
    But his first concern should be his ranking as it will be tough for him to stay in the top 30.

    I do like the way those big servers play, just because they change the game so much. Ofcourse it's boring when lots of guys play like this but matches like Karlovic-Murray last year or Karlovic-Nadal were pretty exciting.
     
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    Excellent article highlights how unplayable John is at his best, hopefully he gets back to that form sooner rather than later I am sure the rest of the tour are not wishing for a return to top form for John though...
     
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    How many majornquarterfinals has he been in?
     
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    Just the one (2011 USO).
     
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    How many quarter finals of slams had Rafter made before he won the US Open for the first time in 1997? Thanks for playing :)
     
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    wait.. didn't you say Isner doesn't need to do well in small events and it doesn't drive him to do well? I thought he won at least 3 majors when you said that, but only one quaterfinal which came from his home country? What was his results in Roland Garros, a clay event where he beat Federer and claimed he plays his best tennis at. What about Wimbledon?? He's not different from Karlovic.

    As for your points on small events, he DOES need to do well in small events, but his talent doesn't allow him to do so.. that sucks, because he only has 1-2 year left in his career to show something..

    If he can't win matches in ATP 250 events for 4 consecutive times, he can't do well in 1000 events or GS. It's as simple as that!
     
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    It is all about career progression Isner has had way better results in Masters than a journeyman like Karlovic! But let's not forget that John played college tennis so really his wheels are fresher than most 27 year olds and has time to take his game to the next level!

    I agree that so far John has not lived up to his undoubted talent in the slams that is why it is important in the smaller events like 250s etc where he has more than proven himself throughout his career to look at the big picture and think about peaking for the majors. That is what it is all about now for John at this stage of his career.
     
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    I like John Isner, he is a proud WWE fan like myself. And he was also in attendance at Wrestlemania 25 in Houston Texas back in 2009, as I was. :)


    From WWE webite

    WWE.com: What's your favorite WWE match?

    John Isner: Without a doubt WrestleMania XXV with Shawn Michaels vs. Undertaker in Houston. I was there for the event. In my opinion it was the greatest match of all time. I was devastated when HBK lost as he's my all time favorite.

    WWE.com: Name your top two current Superstars you love to watch?

    Isner: Alberto Del Rio and Randy Orton

    WWE.com: How do you catch WWE when you’re on the road?

    Isner: Well when I'm on the road in the states I always plan my Monday night around Raw. So either an early dinner or room service. When I'm out of the country I just have to catch highlights on WWE.com.

    WWE.com: What’s the best way to utilize a tennis racquet in an Extreme Rules Match?

    Isner: That's easy. Just grip it and rip it. Have a few hidden under the ring like the trash cans and kendo sticks. A shot should knock your opponent out.

    WWE.com: What would your signature move be called?

    Isner: Wow. That's a tough one. Some variation of either a powerbomb or chokeslam. I'd let WWE come up with a catchy nickname for my finisher.
     
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    John littered up the stat sheet last night but still posted a win this is the real sign of a champion being able to come through even on an off day! He fired down 28 aces and 48% point on 2nd serve returns these are ominous stats for the rest of the tour!
     
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    He's just heating up Ark, i can feel it! :)
     
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    I agree :) it will be nice if John can make a run this week but in reality it's all about the big picture for John now and peaking for the major.
     
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    Great performance from John tonight! Serve and groundies were both looking in great touch on this form he's going to be very tough to stop at the big events in 2013!
     
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    Highlights vs Levine. Really can't understand why so many people seem to think his game is boring, or he's just a serve blah blah. This was exciting tennis from John.

    http://youtu.be/JZv0vjuNvWI
     
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    Fantastic win for John last night against the big man Anderson John's serve looked unstoppable and he was not broken he also won 53% points on 2nd serve return these figures are very ominous for the rest of the tour.
     
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    Decent run from John in Florida,dipped his feet in the water got some matches under his belt and is now ready for another tilt at the title in IW which he was close to winning last year!
     
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    You are a funny fan, hyping Isner no end and then swallowing bad losses meekly. I am sure you've never even heard of the guy he lost to in his last match. But if 'decent' is good enough for you, good for you. I will grant he is a decent player.
     
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    I was commenting on John's efforts this week. Given it's his 3rd tournament back from injury it is a satisfactory showing as I have said before it is all about the big picture now for John, he knows that his career is going to be defined by his performances in the majors and the masters.
     
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    Isner won't win IW. I would put money on Gulbis winning a masters before John does.
     
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    Are you somewhat related to John? or are you just a fan of his?
     
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    Greatest Poast on this thread.

    I think his signature should be the Isner Slam.
     
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    I can understand being fan, but if we are objective, it is painfully obvious that Isner has way too many weaknesses in his game to be a Slam contender. His horrible return of serve, along with his slow movement are enough to kill his chances.

    If it were not for an incredible serve he would have lost in straight sets to a guy ranked outside of the top 100 in a 250 event.
     
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    I was wondering this myself

    I was thinking maybe he was working for media relations company that is hired by Isner team to keep his name around on public forums.
     
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    So ark_28 how about those damn apples?

    Looks like Isner is heading into his worst season since he broke the Top 30.
     

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