Johnny Mac : the big four should fear Isner

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  1. batz

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    No we won't - it's not until tomorrow ;)

    BTW - I'm not saying he can't beat Noel or Rafa or Murray - I'm just saying they make it tough for him because of their return.
     
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  2. VOLLEY KING

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    Crap. I thought it was tonight. What time Tommorow

    Those guys make it tough for everyone. Having said that Isner almost beat
    Nadal at the FO in five sets and was leading 2-1

    I think the scores were

    Nadal - 6-4,6-7,6-7,6-2, 6-4
     
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  3. mattennis

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    He should do serve and volley more, given his height and swingspan.

    He is not a serve and volley player. He does it maybe 5-10 % of the times with his serves. That is not a serve and volley player.

    Have you ever watched complete matches of him?
     
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  4. achokshi99

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    Isner is by far the most dangerous player on the tour because of his serve and pacing. He is like Sampras in that he really paces/conserves his energy and decides when to crank it up. He is very methodical and strategic in knowing when to slow the game down in terms of just between points. Plus, just watch the guy in big matches, there are some people that just mentally have a clutch aspect that comes out during pressure moments.

    Yeah Isner can look very mediocre, doesnt move like a lot of players, and can be lumbering but he doesn't seem to fold mentally/beat himself in those big situations. Guys like Berdych, Sod, Tsonga, Monfils...nice power hitters that are still easily read by the big 4 for the most part. Except for Tsonoga, those guys have a plan A = their plan b, c, d. I have seen Isner play a fair amount, one of the worst guys to watch cause of the slow types of matches but he does adjust and as soon as the opponents get a little rhytm, Isner starts taking longer time between serves, towel breaks on court. All within the rules too.
     
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  5. batz

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    Nobody is saying Isner isn't a tough player - I like the guy; in fact I like to see all American players do well, but he's just missing something to be able to make it to the very top IMO. Can be top 10 this year though - no doubt about that.
     
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  6. VOLLEY KING

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    He may be a late bloomer like Joker.

    He did just beat Roger Federer. That's huge.

    Maybe now he believes he can win.
     
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  7. kaku

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    He is a 1-9 versus the top 4. He's a dangerous player, and has challenged members of the big four before, pushing rafa to 5 at RG, djokovic to 5 in DC in 2010, Murray to 4 at the USO, and beating Fed recently. However, I don't see him anything more than an occasional upset over the top 4 simply because a big serve and a big forehand alone is not enough to consistently beat guys who do virtually everything well.
     
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  8. Juan Ma Del Pony

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    Nobody wants to see Izzy in their part of the draw. They'd take Karlovic over Izzy any day. Izzy has ground game in addition to that serve. His BH has improved by leaps and bounds as well, I've never seen him hit BH return winners like what he did to Federer in Davis Cup and Simon last night.

    He will be dangerous in RG so long as he avoids dog-fights in the first few rounds. Once you drain Izzy with the five-setters in R2 and R3, he's toast when he meets the seeded players. If Izzy plays smart and gets to R4 without losing too many sets, I would be VERY AFRAID to play him at that point, if i were a Top 5-8 ranked player.
     
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  9. VOLLEY KING

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    Human behavior is funny...they tend to label people and its very hard to get out of that label.

    Players and people evolve....

    not so long ago Nadal was only a "clay court specialist" , Djokovic was known as Chokeavic andquit matches.....

    I think Isner made a breakthrough beating Federer.

    Mcenroe was right.....the big 4 need to be afraid,.....very afraid.
     
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  10. kaku

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    We'll see how Isner fares tomorrow. I think he will take a set and if he wants to beat Djokovic he has to take his chances. Djokovic isn't at 100% yet, so the time is ripe for Isner.
     
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  11. okdude1992

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    Volley King, maybe you should watch some more Isner matches before commenting? You even said you are just now discovering him (which is saying something since he's been a top player for a while). PS, quoting wiki to prove a point isn't the best idea.

    From my experience seeing John both live and on tv, his volleys kind of suck. He just gets tons of easy ones because his serve is so good. And he virtually never serves and volleys. This was his tactic against Nadal at the French because he couldn't hang from the baseline.
     
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  12. okdude1992

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    It's true Isner is dangerous. But can't see him having any chance at all to win a slam. He's only made the quarters once.
     
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  13. Evan77

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    meh, watch Djokovic destroying him tomorrow. I like Isner but he is just not good enough. and no Isner is not dangerous to top guys...
     
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  14. VOLLEY KING

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    Are you watching this???????
     
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  15. VOLLEY KING

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    So far in the middle of second set , isner has 14 net approaches.

    He is 11-14
     
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  16. VOLLEY KING

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    Told Ya !!!!!!!!!!!
     
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  17. Cup8489

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    Isner trolling Evan77 with that W. LOL.
     
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  18. Towser83

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    well he was right lol
     
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  19. Tammo

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    Wow do Djokovic and Fed already fallen to Little John. Nadal and Muaay next
     
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  20. okdude1992

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    Well JMac was totally right. Isner is dangerous and in any given match can beat anybody. But I still say he hasn't prooven whether he can maintain this level for consecutive matches in a slam.
     
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  21. okdude1992

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    oh, and notice how he beat djokovic. a barrage of serves and forehands, and some big returns as well. he didn't win by serving and volleying
     
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  22. kishnabe

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    He did not S and V per say. At least he forced this issue at the net with delicate droppers and sharp angled volleys.
     
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  23. Murrayalmagrofan

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    Prophetic words by Johnny Mac!!!!
     
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  24. okdude1992

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    I agree. But Volley King has been calling him a Serve and Volleyer, which he isn't
     
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  25. VOLLEY KING

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    By today's standards he is .

    Could be an all courter but its close.

    He has so many aces there's not that much opportunity to come to net. But he does come to net a lot and finishes point at net a lot.
     
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  26. Rozroz

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    suddenly it's not 'bandwagon Mac', huh?
    how convenient.
     
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  27. Fedex

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    Shouldn't credit go to Batz, literally? The only guy to put his money where his mouth is.
    All very well predicting this and that but laying down the bucks. That's true faith.
     
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  28. kiki

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    What big 4 mac means? is he seeing double again?
     
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  29. kaku

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    Isnet does not S&V. He occasionally comes to net. When he is at net for 95% of his first serve points, he can be considered one
     
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  30. VOLLEY KING

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    Except that 95% of his serve points are aces or missed returns. :)
     
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  31. Sid_Vicious

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    Mac's ego will expand to the biblical proportions after this. He will never hear the end of this in future matches where he is commentating

    "I said it back then and I will say it again...."
     
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  32. VOLLEY KING

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    LOL !!!!


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  33. Crisstti

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    Lol, true. :D

    I like the commentators in Spanish a lot, but I would like to hear Mac commenting matches sometimes...
     
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  34. Bjorn99

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    Isner is more entertaining than most Green Giant players because he has fluid, beautiful hands. To me, he is the American male, Lindsay Davenport. Amazing ball striker who keeps himself in as good condition as possible, but who is just NOT genetically blessed to run.

    Whoever is training him is doing a wonderful job, because these types usually get injured easily.
     
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  35. Outbeyond

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    Johnnie Mac knows a thing or two....:)
     
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  36. jackson vile

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    Wow, talk about eating crow.
     
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  37. VOLLEY KING

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    Was made such a long time ago I had to post it again.

    Props to McEnroe .
     
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  38. Joseph L. Barrow

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    No he didn't.
     
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  39. Rozroz

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    sorry but this will sooner or later happen.
    he looks fragile like with his straw legs, many times playing with those big ankle supports on BOTH legs. every 5 setter he almost falling of his feet from exhaustion, barely able to serve.
    not a good start i would say.
     
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  40. Fedex

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    Isner was still serving aces after 136 games in the fifth set against Mahut but what do we with a lack of knowledge about tennis know?
     
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  41. Rozroz

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    standing and serving for a whole match was not what i meant.
    i meant a grinding game.
     
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  42. Fedex

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    Whatever you call it, the fact is the top 4 struggle against Isner, a top 4 amoungst the strongest in the history of tennis.
    Man that says a lot about Isner and the fact that he's more than just a serve.
     
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  43. Benhur

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    I see McEnroe said this about a month ago. He's right. The truth is nobody even likes to run into someone like Karlovic, even if his ground game is almost nonexistent. Isner has nearly as good a serve, and his ground game is 1000 times better that Ivo's. He can also volley. Definitely, you'd like somebody else to beat him if possible.

    http://www.insidetennis.com/2012/02/johnny-mac-big-4-fear-isner/
    “Isner is a guy who, when the top four look at a draw, they go, ‘Where’s Isner? We don’t want any part of him.’ They believe they’ll beat him, but they’d prefer someone else to do it,” [...] “I believe he can get to a semi or a final, given the right set of circumstances. The problem with John is that he makes it a little more difficult for himself because he sort of wants to show that he can hit groundstrokes with these guys. I think he’d better off playing more like Pete Sampras, where he would unnerve these guys, not give them rhythm, drive these people absolutely bananas. Maybe he’ll do that.”
     
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  44. nadalwon2012

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    I agree with McEnroe mentioning Sampras as a style of game that Isner should adopt. But he is moving great and winning some very long points. He has tremendous versatility.
     
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  45. Rozroz

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    you cannot be serious !!!!!

    the second he's out of his comfort zone he's an UE machine.
    Sampras... give me a break.. you're on the bandwagon or what?
     
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  46. nadalwon2012

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    Nah, I was referring to McEnroe's quote, that Isner should end the points quicker like Sampras. I'm half agreeing with McEnroe but I'm also saying Isner is winning a lot of long rallies so maybe the Sampras style is not so necessary. Not talking about Sampras 'quality'. Just style, as McEnroe is too.
     
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    = I hope and pray he beats Fed. Cant believe Nadal lost to fed...DAMMIT!
     
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  48. interjim

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    When I watch Isner play my knees ache.
     
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  49. nadalwon2012

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    If Isner is anything like Tsonga/prime-Soderling/Berdych he won't beat Federer. These top 10 guys tend to only have one big win in them per event. Taking care of 2 top4 guys, seems impossible for their concentration spans. Federer has already said that Isner only won Davis Cup because of the conditions. We'll see.
     
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  50. nethawkwenatchee

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    I didn't really take it that way. He's just saying that Pete had an extraordinay way of shortening points by hitting a good first volley and making the opponent so uncomfortable that they miss or hit another high volley set-up (we all know Pete's running forehand and slice backhand were great too)
     

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