jumpers.which foot do you take off from?

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  1. dlam

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    for those who jump for the serve and overhead, which foot do you explode from? or does it differ for the type of serve and overhead?
    for example right foot for the forehand overhead and left foot for the backhand overhead and both feet for the serve,
     
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  2. Stergios

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    Hi Diam,

    I'm very new to tennis so my experience is limited.

    I was wondering the same thing a couple of months back.
    Here's my take. At first I was sliding the back foot towards the front and transferring most of my weight in the front leg. So, I was jumping using my front leg only.

    I've stopped sliding and I started with my feet closer to each other so I can use both of them to explode. Although still the front leg dominates by an approximate of 60%.

    As for overheads, I've found my self using the back foot the same or more sometimes. But that really it depends of how good I've positioned my self.

    I hope that helps,

    Stergios
     
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  3. pvaudio

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    You should explode from your front foot, which means the rear foot comes off the ground first. You need to push yourself up to the ball, not forward into the court. This should also not be a conscious thing on the serve, rather a byproduct of your knee bend.
     
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  5. LeeD

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    Serves, most push, the final push, off front foot, but it's usually started by the back foot.
    Overheads a different animal. Depends if you're moving BACK to hit it or moving forwards (stepping into it) to hit it.
     
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  6. Alchemy-Z

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    Front foot serving.(left-Im a righty)

    Right foot for sampras like dunking overhead
     
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  7. LeeD

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    Most overheads, you're moving BACK and jumping up and BACK to hit it, so you launch off your back foot for those.
     
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  8. dlam

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    what??????
    I looked up Sampress famous jump smashes and he always run up and jumped off his left foot NOT right.
     
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    what??????
    I looked up Sampress famous jump smashes and he always run up and jumped off his left foot NOT right.

    maybe reword to "right foot for the alchemy like dunking overhead."
     
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  10. spinorama

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    Who jumps on their serve?? I mean, you explode upward and maaaaybe both feet are off the ground together for a split second, but I think calling it a jump is misleading
     
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    It's like basketball and lay ups or dunks.

    Righthanded you go off your left foot. Totally retarded if you jump and hit with your right.
     
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    And that's why you can't cover against deep lobs.
    When you're crabwalking back to cover lobs well over your head, you leap off your BACK foot, meaning right foot for a rightie.
    When you're hitting a standard stationary overhead, or moving forwards, you can jump off your front foot, like a serve.
     
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  13. WildVolley

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    Most good servers jump on their serve, or perhaps it may be more accurately called a hop. Some barely break the ground and others like Dolgopolov actually get a decent vertical. At the extreme end of the scale is Battistone who does a volleyball-style jump.

    The real question is why tennis players are so against jumping? If you can maintain form, jumping higher is going to give you better angles and loading on muscles. The downside is that many people aren't strong enough/athletic enough to maintain form.
     
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    The only guys who are against jumping upwards to serve are the guys who will stay at 3.5 all their lives, since they don't have the athletic skills to jump and hit the ball.
    Now my case, 64 and torn ankle tendons, I don't jump either, but I drive forwards so I land about 20" inside the court, needing another foot or foot and a half to come to recovery split step.
     
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    I'm not saying your feet stay on the ground, I just think saying you jump is wrong. When I "jump", I literally try to jump. When I serve, the motion and uncoiling of my body causes my feet to leave the ground naturally. Semantics I guess...

    I'd be surprised anyone is successfully serving with a "volleyball style jump" post a video of that.
     
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  16. WildVolley

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    People forget that the reason players in the past didn't jump was because it was against the rules. Now, basically everyone does at least a little hop. I think it would be difficult to find today a pro who has a foot on the ground at contact on the serve.
     
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    http://youtu.be/sfA3RlAXpdg

    I guess it's a "jump" by definition, although its a tiny amount of air. I think we are on the same page here......
     
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    Even at my age and disabled state, my feet are clearly off the ground on every serve.
    BrianBattisone plays in Q's and Futures, his feet are off the ground by 20+" at contact moment.
     
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  19. WildVolley

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    I'm surprised you haven't seen video of the infamous Battistone jump-serve.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQYOW1DlydU

    Seems some people wanted the serve declared illegal, but he's only taking one step into it now. If it were ruled illegal it might put all the pinpoint servers in jeopardy.

    And, yeah, it is a semantic difference. Uncoiling and going into the air by pushing off the ground with your feet is called jumping or hopping in other sports, but apparently not in tennis.:confused:
     
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    Seems like a returner, a peer in skill level, can just stand IN some, like just behind the baseline, and block a low return to one sideline or the other, giving Brian fits trying to recover and return the return of serve.
    Easier said than done, I guess.
     
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    Holy ****. Never seen that video before lol....ridiculous. What the heck was up with that two handled racket?
     
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    Did you see his need to switch hands?
     
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    Why? It isn't very consistent from all of the videos I've seen of him. It can't be that much of an advantage to be a threat.
     
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    The advantage of higher contact point AND hitting a ball closer inside your own court cannot be minimized. Look at his contact point inside his court. If you get to stand inside your baseline 18", your serve would be a full level better than it is now.
    Disadvantage is inconsistency, especially when getting tired, and of course, to the early blocked return to one sideline or the other.
     
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  25. NLBwell

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    That's the traditional strategy against any serve and volleyer, not just Brian Battistone. If the opponents could do it enough times, they would win. If not, the serve and volleyer would win.
    The serve was held a great preponderance of the time.
     
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  26. WildVolley

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    The rules say that you can't run or walk into the serve to get an advantage. He's getting so far into the court that people said he was essentially running into the serve. Since there is a matter of interpretation, they wanted the serve banned, but the ATP has ruled that it is a legitimate serve, though I haven't seen anyone emulate him yet.

    As LeeD notes, even though Brian Battistone is 6'3" he serves like a 7' tall guy because of the jump - he sometimes gets kick serves bouncing up above the opponent's head much like Karlovic and Isner. And while he's been clocked in the 130mph range, the effective speed is higher because he's so far into the court.

    It is an inconsistent serve, but from what I've seen of video of him playing, it is his major weapon. The rest of his game doesn't look that strong, which is why he has very limited winnings and points for being a professional player. According to wikipedia, he has been ranked as high as 88 in the world in doubles.
     
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  27. WildVolley

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    The Battistone brothers didn't invent that racket but they bought it from someone else. They claim it allows you to use both sides equally and essentially hit forehands from both sides, overheads from both sides, etc. It is at least one solution to the problem of how to make certain to always hit forehands.

    I don't have one, but I've thought about buying one just to mess around with it and freak people out.:twisted:
     
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  28. spinorama

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    I don't see any advantage to it,,,,honestly
     
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    i agree but to be more precise , the overhead for the bachand side , the back foot is the left foot , whereas the overhead for the forehand side the back foot is the right foot.

    when moving forward or stationary overhead then its the front foot , which is the left foot for the forehand overhead and ifs its the backhand side the front foot is the right foot.

    Of course this is reversed for you lefties.
     
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    Great tip. I have started putting it into practice. Immediately noticed an increase in serve speed.
     
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