Jungle Law /Law of the Jungle ?

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  1. chrischris

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    What does this mean to you and why so?

    Its a common expression .

    Its widely accepted to mean lawlessness.

    I recently discovered it may actually mean precisely the opposite.
     
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    It means that as carbon dioxide emissions from the burning of fossil fuels continue we are witnessing recession of the jungle as it is replaced by arid and desert terrain. In West Africa the jungle recedes by several thousand square kilometers each year, as it is replaced by extension of the Sahara Desert. Only by using safe and renewable sources of energy such as wind, solar, hydroelectric, nuclear, geothermal, and hamster wheel can this steady erosion of our beloved environment be halted and hopefully reversed. Is this the new Law of the Jungle, chrischris?
     
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    for me it's "law of the strongest"... but maybe you mean it was a kinda 'set of rules' in kipling's jungle book ?

    anyway, today your thread made me think about this old cartoon:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4hXdsVUnp4
    ;)
     
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    I've always taken it to mean that Federer is GOAT.
     
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    I always thought it to be about social darwinism. Though in some cases I believe it simply refers to the status quo much like the phrase "that's the law of the land" i.e that is just the way things are. The two different phrasings you use really make a difference in that regard. While "Jungle Law" sounds much more inclined to social darwinism, "the law of the jungle" is much more like my second example.
     
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    'Just the way things are' is a bit along what i heard.
    What does that mean?

    Are things naturally out to kill each other for survival?
     
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    Yes, either for food or ensuring DNA is passed on.
     
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    Ok, but in addition there is evidence of a broader and more soothing meaning of Jungle Law/ Law of the Jungle.
    Competition in its original and sustainable form and sense.
     
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    Kill or be killed.
     
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    Thats the common interpretation of 'Jungle Law/Law of the Jungle'.

    But i counter.
    Its not the more interesting understanding and meaning of the law.
    There is another one that i find eyeopening and more true to fact.
     
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    Bigger, stronger, faster, quicker, smarter, luckier, smaller, all have the same applications. More, you live. Less, you won't.
     
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    Is that meant to mean 'everyone for themselves'
    individuality over teams?
     
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    Why don't you just tell us what you want to hear.
     
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    Do you in the real jungle see obese animals?
     
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    Sure you do. In societal congregations, there are slim strong hunters and a ruling class of overweight, under conditioned leaders. The leaders USED to be the hunters, but now have fallen off a bit due to age and reputation.
    You can survive as a loner, a pack, or a mass. There are drawbacks of each.
     
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    Ok,would you lean toward cooperation or individuality being the best strategy for survival 'in the jungle' / in nature?
     
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    Depends on your disposition, your strengths, and your weaknesses.
    Social animals will always favor a societal way of living.
    Loners can make ALL their decisions, and answer to no one except themselves.
     
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    Ok..
    Still i feel there is a massive overrepresentation of understanding the 'law of the jungle/ jungle law' to mean each to their own and kill or be killed.
    In nature , team work and interdependancy is a more functioning rule/law actually.
     
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    Say you gots a partner, or S/O. Every decision you make takes into consideration of their feelings, strengths, weaknesses. Now add a few more in your family, and your decisions get diluted by the # of participants you have in your life.
    As a society right now, we take in the notions of every single member, or try to anyways. That is a big gray area.
     
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    Ok, in the jungle /nature the use of every capacity is optimal.
    So there isnt waste of resources and therefore a smart setup of interaction which makes it strong and functioning over time.
    A code of conduct and 'jungle law' if you will.
    I think if we can allow us to learn FROM that law of the jungle ( instead OF it), we stand a chance way better than the mirage of prosperity we have at the moment.
    That would make our economy better and more resilient and we would prosper and feel more fit and good about ourselves.

    There is serious studies of these codes and laws being done and it can move forward our business models to be fitting in and give lasting prosperity and wealth .
     
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    In absence of law, the strongest (physically, mentally, intellectually) always prevails.
    Exemple: now that Nadal is retired, it's the law of the jungle on clay. So Fed or Djoko will win RG next year
     
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    I think you may be missing the very point of it all.
    There are always a set of rules /laws that regulate who prevails.
     
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    like the law of nature?
     
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    There are a whole series of them and they are well connected and allow for things to work in support of one another rather than at predominantly the expense of one another.
    These are key for us to look at so as not kill ourselves off as a species.

    (Previously people incl myself thought there was only one basically along the onedimensional idea of 'kill or be killed')
     
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    The most important and powerful law of the jungle is cooperation and democracy.

    (Not dog eat dog( kill or be killed and all of that mythical mumbo jumbo stuff..)

    Want proof ?
     
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    No.......just for you to stop talking in riddles.
     
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    What are talking about my friend?

    You wouldnt be here if it were not for the code of the jungle, so a bit of humility doesnt hurt?
     
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    Democracy is the law of the Jungle.

    Some new good news for once.
     
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