Just 2 Slams per year, Fed willl eclipse Sampras...

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  1. edge

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    So if the Federer Express wins 2 Slams per year, he will eclipse Pete's 14 by the age of 29. Is it possible or probable? Records are made to be broken. Tiger wiill problably break Nicklaus' record.
     
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  2. Grimjack

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    In tennis, the stars come up too young and too quickly to get a good read on anything that far away.

    2 per year seems very reasonable for the next couple years, health willing, but beyond that it's crapshoot city.
     
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  3. Kevin Patrick

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    How long have you been following tennis? When Mac went 82-3 in '84 at the age of 25, no one would believe you if you said he would never win another slam, but he didn't. When Becker won his 2nd Wimbledon at the age of 18, it seemed likely that he would win many more, but he only won 1 more. When Borg won his 11th slam in '81 at 26, no one would think that he wouldn't win another. Tennis is a very hard sport to play at the highest level more than a few years. Pete's obsession with winning & breaking records is rare. Fed's a great player, but I don't think he has the same tunnel vision like Pete. Pete studied Laver tapes as a kid & was determined to be the best ever. Fed had a different mindset.
    As far as the Tiger Wods analogy, well its obvious that tennis already had its Tiger.
     
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  4. edge

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    Yes, tennis is a very difficult endeavor. For all we know, Hewitt may never win another slam. But for all the competitors currently out there, he does seem a teir above.
     
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  5. PureCarlosMoyaDrive

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    Although I want him to, I just don't see him winning 2 a year for that many years straight. What I do see him doing though, is winning 3 slams in one year though. That would be a first since Wilander 88, but it would be tough. And of course, what are we all waiting for but the ultimate....a true grand slam for fed.
     
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  6. yee

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    JUST 2 PER YEAR???

    I'm glad Federer don't need to listen to such predictions himself. Yes, no doubt he's been in tremendous form since last November but don't you all think it's still premature to predict such big things on him? I can't help thinking of Hewitt case, though I now I shouldn't.
     
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  7. edge

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    BTW PureCarlos, notwithstanding your signature, the GOAT Sampras has an Eastern forehand as does Davenport.
     
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  8. HeavyBall

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    1. Sampras was something of an anomaly.

    2. Seriously, Davenport?
     
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  9. Nosoupforyou

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    in a book i have they say davenport uses semiwestern
     
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  10. PureCarlosMoyaDrive

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    It's called bias man. I love topspin rallies, clay courts, therefore I love western. Sampras is awesome with his eastern, but where is Davenport from?
     
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  11. edge

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    Lindsey Davenport is from Southern Cal. She, Sampras and Tracy Austin were taught by Robert Landsdorf who advocated hitting through the ball with an Eastern forehand for power.
     
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  12. PureCarlosMoyaDrive

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    No I know what you mean, but like where did he pull Davenport from as a great example to go eastern?
     
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  13. Rabbit

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    I agree. Federer will be lucky to win 6 more Slams. He doesn't appear to have the singlemindedness of Sampras who treated tennis more like a job. Federer keeps talking about enjoying tennis. I get the feeling that if he stops enjoying tennis, he'll retire.
     
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  14. edge

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    Davenport hit a very hard forehand. If she actually had better quickness and footspeed, she may have dominated more. She accompliashed alot seeing how slow she actually is.
     
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    I agree Edge, I was always impressed that Davenport managed to win slams with her lack of agility.
     
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  16. Bhagi Katbamna

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    Lansdorp(in an article on The Forehand Drive in Tennis Mag) recommended a semi-western grip.
     
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  17. SonicSpeed

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    hmmm..another bandwagon thread...ok

    We'll see in a few years
     
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    That's interesting. Because all his players who got to #1 used the eastern grip.
     
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    Was bored. Bump.
     
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    Am obsessed. Bump.
     
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    What's interesting to me is that he made it at 28, actually about a month short of OP's prediction, despite having 3 3-Slams seasons.
    Damn you Nadal :D
     
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  22. It's a shame edge got banned. He was a great member.
     
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  23. xFedal

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    u hve very good memory he was banned in 2011.
     
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  24. El Diablo

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    the only actual prediction he made here was about Tiger, and I think he missed that one. Rabbit also fumbled the ball here. The common denominator here is injuries; avoid them and anything is possible, plagued by them and very little is probable.
     
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    History repeats itself. Interesting.
     
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    You must be a banned poster since you joined this forum in 2014 under this user name?
     
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  27. TMF

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    Federer broke Sampras's 14 slams record was in 2009 Wimbledon which was before his 28th birthday. Nole is 29 and is sitting on 10, so history is unlikely to repeats itself.
     
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  28. xFedal

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    If you go on his profile last active was 2011. You don't have to be banned to know that.
     
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  29. xFedal

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    Nole Has AO16 to add to his collection before he turns 29.
     
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  30. TMF

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    Sorry, I didn't know you have a crystal ball.:rolleyes:
     
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    Yes, history does repeat itself. You just have to be smart to see it.
     
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  32. tacou

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    amazing
     
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    Actually, he was 27 when he broke the record. Turned 28 in August of 2009.
     
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  34. dh003i

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    Federer had 12 Majors by the end of 2007. In the year when he got into double-digits, he was still racking up Majors at 3-a-year. Then 2008 was a "down" year with him "only" winning the USO, partly due to mono, partly to Djokovic foreshadowing the future and Nadal roughly maintaining his peak on grass, but Federer's return declining. He sat at 13 at the end of 2008. 2009 was a great year, with the FO finally and W putting him at 15. The 2010 AO was the last of his true prime, setting him at 16, and 17 didn't come until 2 years later at Wimbledon 2012.

    The point is, after 2007 when he was sitting at 12 Majors, most would have still figured he had a couple more double-digit Major years; he only had one more such year. Now many were also writing him off in 2013 and that was a bad year for him, but coming back the way he did was exceptional and unexpected, not the norm...and that's just put him in contention and still hasn't quite gotten him that elusive 18th Major.

    So the way some talk about Djokovic even surpassing Nadal's 14 Majors and talk as if he'll clearly be in contention for 17...it seems quite delusional. When he gets to 14, and depending on how long it takes, then it may be reasonable to talk about if he has a shot at 17. Right now, that's another 7 Majors.

    At the beginning of 2010, Federer's goal of 20 Majors seemed far more doable than it does now, where just one more would be overachieving by anyone's standards. He was 28.5 then, and "only" aiming for 4 more Majors. Djokovic reaching 14 could very well be as difficult.
     
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    Yeah, my maths weren't on point as usual.
     
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    heehee
     
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  37. Krish872007

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    So apart from the fact that the OP was actually not that far off with his prediction, what does this really tell us?
    (Very bold move actually - in March 2004, Federer was just a 2-Slam Champion and some people thought he would pass Pete)
     
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  38. Steve0904

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    The honest and straightforward answer is that Federer is/was just that damn good. In fact, he did way better than most people on this thread predicted at the time (not that I'm pretending like I could've done any better in March of 2004.)
     
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    The key turning point in ascendancy to a rate far beyond the OP's two slams per year rate happened in the rain delay during the '04Wimby final. Defending his first slam title from the deficit and momentum Roddick had created, especially on the heels of an early RG exit, made Federer's confidence zoom at the slams.
     
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