Just as i predicted! spoiler!

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  1. Mr Topspin

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    This a spoiler of the Monte Carlo final'''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''Take NOTE!

    I mentioned in a thread yesterday that the winner of the MC masters would be based on who won the 1st set. IMHO the better starter would close out the match in four sets. I must admit i assumed that Fed would have won bearing in mind how well he was playing going into the final. Whilst Nadal was playing solidly but not brilliant by any thread of imaginination.

    In the first set Fed was clearly nervous i saw this straight away as soon as both players came out for the warm up. Fed was taking huge breaths and i suspect that he may not have had a good night's sleep.

    Fed looked and played nervoulsy in the first set and his backhand was made to look like a liability. The intersting thing about the matchup is that a day earlier Gaudio was killing Nadal on the backhand side and Nadal was at times more comfortable going to the Gaudio Forehand. I think Fed should take note of Gaudio's tactic/strategy against Nadal in that match especially the 1st set in which Gaudio was on fire.

    Back on topic, one of the main reasons why Fed at present does so poorly against Nadal is because Nadal makes Federer look 'one dimensional'. Yes folks the same words Fed used against Nadal came to haunt him in the final. For some reason as shown in Fed's dismal 1st set, Fed makes tons of ue's on the bh and loses confidence in that side, this leads him to run round hitting monster forehands all day and thus you have a forehand bashing Federer ala Roddick. Fed's magic and artistry stem from the backhand side. He is able to slow and speed up a game with his creative use of his cultured backhand. Nadal takes away the confidence on the backhand side and FED cannot create. In the 1st set Fed hit exclusive topspin backhands - how many time have you seen that? Fed almost always mixes it up with a few underspin slices. He did not hit any slices as it allows Nadal to focus his attack on Fed's already shaky backhand.

    Nadal it seems can handle the underspin slice on his forehand which Fed uses so skillfully to disrupt so many of his contemporaries as it plays in to Nadal's strength - his forehand. Fed also tried to slice to Nadal's backhand but yet again Nadal can get their with his speed and talent and again focus his attack on Fed's vulnerable backhand.

    In conclusion Fed is relying on his forehand to make a dent into the Nadal game and that is just to high risk as the ue count can testify; Fed hit over 76 ue's in the match. This rivalry looks like Evert vs Navratillova all over again with the new kid chasing down the experienced veteran.
     
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  2. edberg505

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    We will see where all you guys disappear to once grass court and hard court season starts again.
     
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  3. fastdunn

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    Fed has clear and present problem against Nadal.
    I don't think it's about will and mental toughness.
    Federer has technical problem in handling Nadal's game.
    Fed himself said he thinks he is close to find a solution.

    Guys! Fed is not tennis god. Pleeease!
    He is a human. He CAN have problem from time to time.
     
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  4. VamosRafa

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    I don't think so.

    I remember the threads here last year, after RG, saying "Bye-bye Nadal." Saying he wouldn't be heard from again until he took to the clay courts in South America in 2006.

    He surprised us in two ways -- we did hear from him again, after Wimbledon -- I guess two Masters wins count as "hearing from Nadal," and he opted not to play on clay for the early part of this year.
     
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  5. ACE of Hearts

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    If u asked me, i said its better if he slices the ball more and goes to Nadal's forehand.
     
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  6. edberg505

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    Nah, that is defintely a recipe for disaster. I'd rather take my chances with that backhand coming in. With the kind of topsin he puts on the ball it makes for a very difficult volley unless you're an Edberg, Mac, or Sampras. Slices just don't have the same bite on clay, he would have to hit an excellent slice backhand to have a chance everytime.
     
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  7. ACE of Hearts

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    All i know is that his backhand is a liability right now, if he maded less errors on it, he would be holding up that trophy.This only happens with Nadal more cause of the extra heavy topspin.
     
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  8. Moose Malloy

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    You do know that whoever wins the first set in any match, ends up winning the majority of the time?
     
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  9. jackson vile

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    With 1hbh top you can't handle jumping shots end of story, what Fed needs to do is take a good look at what Blake is doing on that back hand side and then gain on the offensive forhand side.

    Blake hits a relatively flat back hand, and so goes the forhand. With a spinner you will not get them with slice or drops, but if you have fast, flat penatrating shots and can flaten out the high bounce then you can do it.

    That is Blakes game, but if can be a very risky game and takes much more talent and luck.


    I feel that on certain shots taking on the rise could help for really sharp angles but will only make things worse otherwise.
     
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  10. ACE of Hearts

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    I dont know then how he is gonna beat Nadal.As a fan of his, this is just sad to watch.I think he can handle this kid but it seems like he has a case of nerves or something.
     
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  11. Saito

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    I can't help but agree with this post (the grass part anyway), because it's true. While Nadal is a great player and has Fed's number on clay, I don't see him doing anything special on grass. He just doesn't have the game for it. I'd be shocked if he made quarters on grass this year.

    Maybe he has a shot on hard this year, as he did pretty well last year. Who knows... I don't see him taking the US Open though.. maybe Madrid again.. it is home base for him.
     
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  12. Warriorroger

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    Can you tell me if I will win the lottery?
     
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  13. VamosRafa

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    Yep, you are right, Rafa is going to be in trouble for the 3 weeks a year the ATP plays on grass. But he'll have nothing to lose there. He'll try to do his best, but if it doesn't work, he'll be on clay two weeks later, and then on hardcourts.
     
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  14. Warriorroger

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    So what if doesn't perform on grass, so far he is the only one who keeps defeating the world number one, I love Roger, but Rafael has his number.
     
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  15. Saito

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    Just showing Nadal's performance on grass vs Fed's performance on clay (what seems to be their two weakest)... that's all.

    I'm not on any side in this.... but man, some of these immature fanboy posts in other threads have become quite annoying... oh yeah and your rude and unnecessary post asking me to predict your future.
     
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  16. federerhoogenbandfan

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    I bet the "grass" thing was the only thing you held onto during the peak of the Seles-Graf rivalry however.
     
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  17. Tennis_Goodness

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    Yeah but I don't think Nadal will win any slams beside the French this year, he's not that good!
     
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  18. shawn1122

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    Remember, Federer said that he's coming closer to figuring out Nadal. So, its only a matter of time until we start seeing some double and triple bagels.
     
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  19. jackson vile

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    Yep and Hewitt said the same thing about Fed Good Luck:mrgreen:
     
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  20. federerforever

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    I am glad Nadal beat him. Can't believe Federer called Nadal one dimensional. Try saying this again. Nadal is my hero.
     
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  21. Mr Topspin

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    You clearly misunderstood me. I am quite neutral and actually thought Federer would have won bearing in mind his better form going into the final. I just called it as i saw it and Fed was scared, especially in the first set!

    In relation to grass i don't see any reason why Nadal can't reach the quarters on a regular basis. There are many reasons that support this view. Firstly, there are not too many talented s&v players anymore. Secondly, the grass courts at sw17 have slowed down dramatically. Thirdly, Nadal is seeded high enough generally to get easy draws till about 4th round/quarters. And finally most of the tennis being played on grass is at the back with mostly claycourters. All these factors favour Nadal doin well untill he meets a solid s&v/talented shotmaker. How many of these are around?
     
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  22. baseliner

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    1. Does not bode well for Fed's chances to win Roland Garros.
    2. I think it was to Nadal's advantage that he took some time off early in the year due to injury. While no one wisshes to suffer an injury, the time off makes him a little fresher forthe clay court grind.
    3. Nadal will win Roland Garros and Fed wins Wimbledon. (Went way out on a limb on this one!!!)
     
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  23. Warriorroger

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    :rolleyes:
     
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  24. Tchocky

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    You are a friggin' genius! The player who wins the 1st set usually wins the match. Did you have the balls to place a wager? I won $406 USD on Nadal. How much did you win?
     
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  25. Moose Malloy

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    But you said you were betting on Fed on Saturday? Did you bet on both players?
     
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  26. Tchocky

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    I had money on Fed to win 3-2 and Nadal to win 3-1.
     
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  27. tlm

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    posted by shawn122 : Remember, Federer said that he's coming closer to figuring out Nadal. So, its only a matter of time until we start seeing some double and triple bagels.

    What are you saying fed is going to be bageling nadal.I will bet anybody on that one.Fed has not figured out a damn thing,fed also said nadal is one dimensional.

    Fed is so full of himself+full of **** he doesnt even realize how stupid his ego maniac statements make him look!
     
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  28. shawn1122

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    I like it.

    I wouldn't mind Federer being a badass (or jackass) more often.
     
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