Just Discovered New Forehand at 48!

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  1. jmnk

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    well, i'm not sure who is right here, but hitting in golf or hockey from open stance is a bit challenging, even if one wanted, since you have to use both hands to hold the club or the stick. Not quite the same as tennis forehand......
     
  2. sureshs

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    Golf is for men with small balls
     
  3. eliza

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    I am so glad you tried! I hope you will now keep seeking development in all your strokes!!
     
  4. vitas77remembered

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    Got to say, do not criticize golf until you have actually tried to master it.

    Out of all the (ball) sports I've played, baseball, tennis, basketball, football, volleyball, there has been nothing harder to master than golf. Its not a reaction sport, so the mental aspect of it is so much greater. That does not make golfers more of an "athlete" than others.
     
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    Thanks for the encouragement. Yes, its led to further experimentation and unbelievably I think I hit cleaner groundies than I've ever hit (sadly, I wish I had the drive and court coverage I had 25 years ago!).
     
  6. sureshs

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    Golf is much more difficult than tennis.
     
  7. 5263

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    Wouldn't it always depend on the opponents?
     
  8. Limpinhitter

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    Agreed! Golf is the only sport I've played that required a higher level of skill than tennis. The athleticism required to play golf is a combination of balance, timing, eye-hand coordination and acute proprioception which most humans just don't have.
     
  9. Limpinhitter

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    A little more difficult in terms of the skill needed to play.
     
  10. LeeD

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    I think Dozu hit the nail on the head when he compared 4.5 tennis to under 90's golf.
    Both are hard, one more athletic, the other more technical, but technical includes more mind games, frustration, and no way to blow off steam.
    But both mentioned don't approach the level of professional's at the sport, so we can't really say for them.
     
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    There's NO sport that is harder than another sport. They're all freaking hard. The truism of this in every sport is that man always tries to best himself. It's the same player, same opponent and same process.
     
  12. sureshs

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    No. Golf is inherently more difficult.
     
  13. sureshs

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    C'mon man, let us talk common sense here and not pro level play. Table tennis is definitely easier than ice hockey.
     
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    Problem here becomes ..... FOR WHOM?
    A neanderdahl of a hulking giant, totally no hand coordination, would do well in RUGBY, but struggle to sustain a rally in table tennis.
    A skinny skill athlete would get pummelled in rugby and football, but excell in table tennis and badminton.
    The BIG SHOW, at 6'10" and 460lbs., would be OK in pro wrestling, but underachieve as a jockey or a tunnel rat.
     
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    I'm using common sense. :) You think only pros have it hard (or easy, not sure what you mean anyway :)?

    Ice hockey is easier than marbles. So frustrating with those little glass balls.
     
  16. sureshs

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    For the "average" guy
     
  17. eliza

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    welcome to the adult players group! Consolation is the opponents are your age, too. And like LeeD or Dozu wrote to me long time ago: the alternative is not fun at all :)
    JUST DO IT....
     
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    I think what sureshs means that in some sports it's easier to "think" you are good or avg and can play, but in reality, if a task seems easier, then it will be easier for others too. So to be at a certain level at any of them would be about the challenge.

    Even though he may feel his tennis strokes are better than his golf strokes, they are prob about the same for effort given.
     
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    I have played golf for a grand total of about 3 hours. So almost zero effort. But I can just feel that it is going to be impossible for me to be any good at all.

    I have very good support for what I am saying. Read the latest issue of RSI magazine. There is Peter Burwash talking about tennis opportunities in the Caribbean. He says that he foresees in the future there to be more money in tennis than in golf, and the reason he gives is that it takes years to be any good in golf (the other reason was about tennis favoring the family) while tennis is much easier.

    What exactly does he mean? If you don't go for the extreme arguments like is it easier to be like Wood than Federer, it is common sense that, for the average guy, tennis is easier. Or that table tennis is easier than boxing.
     
  20. DjokovicForTheWin

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    Golf is also a lot more expensive just to play recreationally.
     
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    It may be easier to reach a level of fun or level where you think you can play (I don't think so), but in the end, being a 5.0 golfer so to speak is going to be about the same difficulty as a 5.0 tennis player, because the playing field to compete is level within the sport.

    as beginners, if golf is harder for you, then it is harder for me,
    then we are judged against each other. So if we are each 9 over on each hole, it's like us both being 2.5 players who can't keep the ball in play. Shooting par is probably like being a 6.5 in tennis. Even as a beginner I can par some holes, but I can never play a 6.5 level set or game. Most can't even play a 5 ball rally at 6.5 level, and I may be in that group as well.

    If anything golf would be easier, cause anyone can walk up and hit the ball till it goes in the hole. Tennis requires someone to be able to get the ball in court at least once to be playing the game at all.
     
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    Golf uses small balls. And the club head is also small. And both are hard. You are hitting a small hard thing with another small hard thing, and though one of them is stationary, the other one is being swung over a much larger arc than tennis, and is also flexing in its path. When I started tennis 8 years ago, I never missed a ball if I could get anywhere close to it. In my 45 minutes or so of total driving range practice, I hit the ground and not the ball about 50% of the time, and it felt painful. So did the shots which hit the ball but not in the sweetspot.

    In the short game, aim and control are paramount. You are putting a small ball into a small hole from many yards away. In tennis, your aiming requirements are to put a bigger ball into a 39 by 27 feet area. Which one is more difficult? And if you miss the sweetspot with one of the newer comfortable racquets, you hardly feel anything, they are so well designed for absorption and cushioning.

    Another fact is that technique is everything in golf. When I took the lesson, if I tried to chip on my own, the ball went nowhere. When the pro positioned me and guided my weight transfer into the left foot and the upper body position, it was a winner. It was a matter of no chip with bad form vs good chip with good form. In tennis, there is a continuum of levels with proportional gains and people don't get frustrated. There was a famous saying from a CEO that he would never make a deal with another CEO without playing golf with him. The key is how much frustrating the game can get. People miss puts from 3 feet away and end up putting the ball 4 feet away, just due to a small miscalculation of applied force. How irritating is that?

    You are correct about relative level. But that is not the whole story. If it is difficult for you and also for me, it doesn't do anything for my satisfaction as a recreational player. I have to do what I should do reasonably well, and feel good about it, before worrying about how you do.

    In any case, you need not go by my words, but Peter Burwash, who was a former touring pro and is one of the most successful tennis businessmen.

    I also have a close friend, paranoid about his diet and fitness, who played both tennis and golf, and he said the same thing.
     
  23. DjokovicForTheWin

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    Golf takes a lot less athleticism, especially at the more advanced stages.
     
  24. sureshs

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    Athleticism can be cultivated, by diet and exercise. Fine aiming skills and body weight distribution adjustments during shots are difficult to learn.
     
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    Ok, so we agree, that maybe golf is a harder game to get satisfaction, and
    we agree that on a relative basis, it all equals out. If you hit the ground 50% of the time, I see why you feel it is so hard. Burwash seems to be a fine fellow, but his opinion as a tennis pro carries little sway, as I expect he thinks tennis is easier for him.
     
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    IMO this would be reversed in order of which is more difficult to upgrade.
    A person who is not very athletic will likely never be so, but
    many unathletic folks can learn golf, bowling, billiards, and such to a reasonable degree.

    Maybe CEOs do choose to play golf, but less of them could even go out to play tennis most likely.
     
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    Wouldn't say that. He is a teacher, and probably taught thousands of people. I am also pretty sure he would be playing golf himself and be pretty close to the golf scene - it is pretty much a part of the lifestyle to which he caters.
     
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    this one is going down the all hats no cattle route.

    so who's gonna post a golf swing video?
     
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    Actually diet and exercise are vastly overrated in becoming athletic. It's mainly genetics. The misinterpretation lies in the causality. Eating right and exercising doesn't really make you athletic, although it can help. Rather it's inherently athletic people that tend to eat right and exercise more.

    In actual fact it's something like aiming that can be cultivated more easily in a random person.
     
  30. sureshs

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    Which is again much easier in tennis than in golf!!
     
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    Yes I agree with that. But that doesn't change the fact that tennis requires more athleticism. Just compare the elite tennis players with the 'elite' fat asss golfers.
     
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    Here's how I would put it.

    For the average joe it would be easier to play tennis than golf just for recreational purposes.

    But if the average joe wanted to become professional, I would say golf would be easier to become pro than tennis. Not to say either is easy, but golf would just be easier.
     
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    for recreation, neither is easy..... joe hack prolly hates it when he has to pick up that damn ball like a dog without having a rally more than 2 shots... and digging into the ground 50% is prolly equally frustrating and more embarassing...... ping pong is much more fun.

    to become a pro - to get to the same ranking, say top 100, 500, 1000 whatever, by definition it's equally difficult between the too.

    but considering the money pie is about 10 X bigger in golf, yes, it's easier to make a living in golf..... top guys on nationwide tour can still make a living... the same cannot be said for the guys on top of the challenger circuit.

    not to mention there are european tours, japan tours etc to give the 2nd tier guys more opportunities to make a living.
     
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    Tennis is way easier recreationally than golf. It's also more accessible to many people.

    Ever see John Daly? You think he had golf in his genes? He's just a fat guy that started early, practiced a lot and had the opportunity. For godsakes he played pro golf while being an alcoholic. If that doesn't make pro golf more access to the average joe than pro tennis, I don't know what does.
     
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    'way easier' is unfounded.

    the 'more accessible' thing, I am not sure it's part of being recreationally easier.... even if it was, it maybe a different story for different people.... ask the Scotts who live on the coast line with wind blowing 40mph everyday, they'll prolly tell you why they invented golf, instead of playing tennis.

    Daly - the 'genes' part is only your opinion.
     
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    Way easier is founded on my personal experience. Genes may be my opinion, but his blubber isn't. Along with many other pro golfers. That in and of itself reveals how relatively 'unathletic' you can be to play pro golf. Impossible in pro tennis. Hence the easier component for most average joes.
     
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    either you or I am confused.... i thought you said tennis is easier?
     
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    Tennis is easier recreationally. But for going pro golf would be easier. Perhaps you should read my previous posts before concluding confusion?
     
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    Toughest sports at pro level.

    Key
    ENDURANCE: The ability to continue to perform a skill or action for long periods of time. Example: Lance Armstrong
    STRENGTH: The ability to produce force. Example: NFL linebackers.
    POWER: The ability to produce strength in the shortest possible time. Example: Barry Bonds.
    SPEED: The ability to move quickly. Example: Marion Jones, Maurice Green.
    AGILITY: The ability to change direction quickly. Example: Derek Jeter, Mia Hamm.
    FLEXIBILITY: The ability to stretch the joints across a large range of motion. Example: Gymnasts, divers.
    NERVE: The ability to overcome fear. Example: High-board divers, race-car drivers, ski jumpers.
    DURABILITY: The ability to withstand physical punishment over a long period of time. Example: NBA/NHL players.
    HAND-EYE COORDINATION: The ability to react quickly to sensory perception. Example: A hitter reacting to a breaking pitch; a drag racer timing acceleration to the green light.
    ANALYTIC APTITUDE: The ability to evaluate and react appropriately to strategic situations. Example: Joe Montana reading a defense; basketball point guard on a fast break.

    Degree of Difficulty: Sport Rankings
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    Ice Hockey 7.25 7.13 7.88 7.75 7.63 4.88 6.00 8.25 7.50 7.50 71.750 2
    Football 5.38 8.63 8.13 7.13 6.38 4.38 7.25 8.50 5.50 7.13 68.375 3
    Basketball 7.38 6.25 6.50 7.25 8.13 5.63 4.13 7.75 7.50 7.38 67.875 4
    Wrestling 6.63 8.38 7.13 5.13 6.38 7.50 5.00 6.75 4.25 6.38 63.500 5
    Martial Arts 5.00 5.88 7.75 6.38 6.00 7.00 6.63 5.88 6.00 6.88 63.375 6
    Tennis 7.25 5.13 7.13 6.75 7.75 5.63 3.00 5.00 8.38 6.75 62.750 7
    Gymnastics 5.38 6.13 6.63 5.00 6.38 10.00 7.50 6.88 4.50 4.13 62.500 8
    Baseball/Softball 4.63 5.75 7.63 6.50 6.75 4.75 5.13 5.63 9.25 6.25 62.250 9
    Soccer 7.75 4.50 5.13 7.25 8.25 4.75 3.63 6.25 6.50 7.50 61.500 10
    Skiing: Alpine 5.13 5.25 6.00 7.38 6.13 5.63 8.38 6.00 5.13 5.63 60.625 11
    Water Polo 7.88 6.63 6.88 5.38 6.38 5.00 4.25 6.38 6.25 5.63 60.625 11
    Rugby 6.75 7.00 6.38 5.88 6.00 4.13 6.50 7.88 4.38 5.63 60.500 13
    Lacrosse 6.63 5.13 5.75 7.00 6.63 4.75 4.38 6.13 7.13 6.88 60.375 14
    Rodeo: Steer Wrestling 4.00 7.00 7.88 3.88 4.88 5.00 7.88 6.88 5.13 4.00 56.500 15
    Track and Field: Pole Vault 3.38 6.88 7.25 6.13 5.38 7.00 6.63 4.25 5.25 3.75 55.875 16
    Field Hockey 6.75 4.50 5.38 6.00 5.75 4.63 3.75 5.00 6.63 6.50 54.875 17
    Speed Skating 7.63 7.25 7.38 8.88 4.00 4.25 4.50 4.63 2.88 3.50 54.875 17
    Figure Skating 6.38 5.25 6.63 5.13 6.88 8.25 4.88 4.00 3.13 4.25 54.750 19
    Cycling: Distance 9.63 6.38 6.25 5.13 3.75 2.63 5.88 6.88 3.00 4.88 54.375 20
    Volleyball 5.13 4.88 6.63 5.00 7.00 5.13 2.88 4.63 7.25 5.88 54.375 20
    Racquetball/Squash 6.13 3.75 5.00 5.50 7.25 5.88 2.38 2.88 8.38 6.50 53.625 22
    Surfing 4.63 5.00 4.13 4.25 6.63 5.50 8.25 5.50 4.38 4.88 53.125 23
    Fencing 4.63 3.75 4.25 5.13 6.13 5.63 4.88 4.25 7.25 6.88 52.750 24
    Skiing: Freestyle 4.13 5.13 4.88 5.13 6.63 6.88 6.63 5.13 4.13 3.88 52.500 25
    Team Handball 4.88 3.88 5.38 5.50 6.00 4.50 3.00 3.88 7.88 5.88 50.750 26
    Cycling: Sprints 4.25 6.13 7.88 7.50 4.00 2.88 4.75 4.50 3.63 4.50 50.000 27
    Bobsledding/Luge 3.50 5.50 6.50 6.75 4.13 3.25 7.75 3.50 4.13 4.25 49.250 28
    Ski Jumping 3.50 4.50 5.75 4.63 4.00 5.00 9.00 4.63 4.38 3.50 48.875 29
    Badminton 5.25 3.25 4.00 5.63 7.38 5.25 1.25 2.63 7.25 6.13 48.000 30
    Skiing: Nordic 9.00 5.75 4.38 5.13 4.00 4.00 2.75 5.50 3.63 3.88 48.000 30
    Auto Racing 5.88 3.50 2.63 1.63 2.75 1.75 9.88 4.38 8.00 7.50 47.875 32
    Track and Field: High Jump 3.00 6.00 7.00 6.13 5.63 6.63 3.50 3.50 3.50 2.88 47.750 33
    Track and Field: Long, Triple jumps 4.00 5.63 7.13 6.75 5.00 5.75 2.75 3.25 4.00 3.13 47.375 34
    Diving 2.88 5.13 4.63 3.00 3.50 8.50 8.38 5.00 3.00 3.00 47.000 35
    Swimming (all strokes): Distance 9.25 5.25 4.63 5.50 3.63 5.50 2.63 4.63 2.88 3.00 46.875 36
    Skateboarding 4.13 3.75 3.75 4.13 6.13 5.13 6.50 5.25 4.88 3.13 46.750 37
    Track and Field: Sprints 3.50 5.13 7.25 9.88 4.63 5.13 2.00 4.13 2.63 2.38 46.625 38
    Rowing 8.13 7.75 7.13 4.00 2.50 4.00 1.75 4.38 2.88 3.63 46.125 39
    Rodeo: Calf Roping 3.13 5.38 5.00 4.25 5.63 3.88 4.88 3.75 6.38 3.75 46.000 40
    Track and Field: Distance 9.63 5.25 3.75 6.00 3.25 4.38 2.00 5.75 1.88 4.13 46.000 40
    Rodeo: Bull/Bareback/Bronc Riding 3.25 5.38 4.00 1.75 3.63 4.25 9.50 7.38 3.63 3.13 45.875 42
    Track and Field: Middle Distance 6.00 5.13 5.13 7.75 4.00 4.88 2.00 4.75 2.13 3.75 45.500 43
    Weight-Lifting 4.13 9.25 9.75 2.63 2.50 3.38 4.00 4.75 2.25 2.38 45.000 44
    Swimming (all strokes): Sprints 4.13 5.25 6.25 7.88 3.63 5.50 2.50 3.25 2.75 3.00 44.125 45
    SPORT END STR PWR SPD AGI FLX NER DUR HAN ANA TOTAL RANK
    Water Skiing 4.63 5.00 4.50 3.00 4.25 4.75 5.88 4.63 4.13 3.25 44.000 46
    Table Tennis 3.50 2.50 4.63 4.13 5.88 4.25 1.38 1.88 8.88 6.00 43.000 47
    Track and Field: Weights 3.25 7.88 9.13 3.00 3.13 3.00 2.25 3.63 4.00 2.88 42.125 48
    Canoe/Kayak 6.75 5.25 5.63 3.50 2.75 3.88 3.63 3.25 3.13 4.25 42.000 49
    Horse Racing 4.00 3.88 2.88 1.38 2.88 3.75 8.00 4.50 3.88 6.50 41.625 50
    Golf 3.25 3.88 6.13 1.63 1.75 4.00 2.50 2.38 6.00 6.38 37.875 51
    Cheerleading 3.63 3.63 3.38 2.25 4.13 7.50 3.63 3.38 2.50 2.25 36.250 52
    Roller Skating 4.75 3.38 4.00 5.13 4.00 3.50 2.63 3.38 2.88 2.63 36.250 52
    Equestrian 3.38 3.25 1.75 1.25 2.50 2.88 6.00 2.75 2.88 5.13 31.750 54
    Archery 2.88 4.50 3.13 1.13 1.63 2.63 2.75 2.13 6.63 3.25 30.625 55
    Curling 2.25 2.63 2.50 1.50 2.25 2.63 1.75 1.50 4.88 5.63 27.500 56
    Bowling 2.25 2.75 3.38 1.00 1.88 2.38 1.63 1.25 4.75 4.13 25.375 57
    Shooting 2.25 2.50 1.38 0.88 1.13 1.75 2.38 1.88 6.75 4.00 24.875 58
    Billiards 1.00 1.00 1.75 0.75 1.00 2.63 1.63 0.75 5.25 5.75 21.500 59
    Fishing 1.38 1.63 1.25 0.63 1.50 1.13 0.88 0.88 2.38 2.88 14.500 60
     
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  40. DjokovicForTheWin

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    LOL, pro golf is right above cheerleading!
     
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    who has all that time.

    by the way, your avatar's freaky laugh prolly made me confused.
     
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    Go so it's having its intended effect :)
     
  43. sureshs

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    I already said that I am not going to compare pros.
     
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    I have seen John Daly. Is he the fat guy whose son also plays?

    You are probably underestimating how much upper body strength and fine control he has.
     
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    I have no doubt he has a lot of upper body strength. So do a lot of fat guys and yahoos.
     
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    The "opponent" in golf is the course.
     
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    Or maybe John Daly was a rare, gifted golfer who all but squandered his talent. I think Daly had golf in his genes. He was a natural. In addition to his unmached long game from the tee and the fairway, his touch around the green and his putting were amazing, when he was sober.
     
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    Daly was but one example. There are many other overweight out of shape players on the PGA. The point remains golf is one of the least athletically stringent 'sports', if it can even be called a sport.
     
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    I watched JohnDaly, Tiger, and the crowd at the AMEX in SanFrancisco.
    No doubt, Daly had that special magic that only a handful of other players had, even thos his actual scores and consistency wanders up the tube and down the drain.
    The crowds followed him almost as much as Tiger, and much more than Mick, Watson, Freddy, or any of the other players
    And on the 11th, only he and Tiger could clear 350 yards doglegged left without dropping into bunkers right at the 330 mark. Those two guys had drives AngelCabrera and Singh could; only dream about, and both those guys drove 330 off a few tees.
    Daly is special in golf like Bode is in skiing, Machaco in surfing, maybe Safin in tennis, McGrath in supercross, and Naish in kitesurfing and windsurfing.
     
  50. LeeD

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    One thing we have to consider is the playing field is the same for everyone, and to SUCCEED in golf is just as hard as to succeed in any other sport.
    Sure, they're not huffing and puffing in golf. But they stay out on the course often over 7 hours, walk the talk, play multiple rounds each week, and still have to keep it together. The last 3 words say it all. KEEP IT TOGETHER.
    Remember, sport encompasses more than just running and jumping.
     

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