just FYI - interesting match for DB

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  1. tenniscp

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    What do you mean by doing OB? I think I am too old for OB:)
     
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  2. mikej

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    obviously, like everything you post, that is incorrect

    http://www.itftennis.com/juniors/players/player/profile.aspx?playerid=100131998

    career high 113 itf - his best result was, yes, the OB (rd of 16) - he won his first round match comfortably then got a 4-3 ret in rd of 32

    you have google like the rest of us right? is there a reason you just guess at everything on these boards, and your guesses are always in the same direction (making things look better for your son)...never in a million years will you guess the other direction and say he made the rd of 32 when he actually made the rd of 16

    you can fudge facts all you want - again, yet another thing that doesn't pay the bills on tour
     
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  3. mikej

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    ps - how is that saba upload going - can't wait to see all the overrules
     
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    It's typical fall pre-season type play. They play on clay same reason they are playing against USTA juniors. It's something different and bottom line good practice.
     
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    Deit is playing some really good tennis winning two matches at this tournament as a 16 year old. I think in a year from now he will be ready to make the move to the pro tour. If not he wont have any problem playing college tennis ANYWHERE he wants.
     
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    we'll see

    tennis doesn't quite work like that - where things become true because people on a message board repeatedly say so a million times - let me know when he's playing for one of the top college programs or having a successful atp career - i can be patient
     
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    [deleted so this thread doesn't totally derail - but offer is still good gatennis]
     
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  8. Number1Coach

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    Going to watch ? Sorry about the wording
     
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    "What I heard , what I was told" really are you that stupid and your typical of what colleges are producing , I know I have a troll like you on here doing alll my research for me so why would I begin to type google . Remember I have you here cause I want you here !
     
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    Hey email any of the coaches that were there ask for a report on what they think , try the Tulsa coach , get some feed back from him , DB played his player who was 20 yrs old and grew up on clay. Do some real research
     
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    He is probably a great kid. Unfortunately, the dad's behavior here is making many root against him. It is clear that he doesn't care about that.
     
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    i'm aware that's how you phrased it, so you could act all innocent when called out on your continued misinformation

    you've gotten rid of one of the knowledgeable people that used to correct you for the moment (TCF), clark only jumps in on occasion to correct you (like your raonic lies), and i certainly can't keep up with all the lies you spew

    but i'll call them out when i see them

    again, it's a pattern, i heard this, i saw this, all non-factual and designed to keep your DB followers from losing faith in your ATP path

    it works on many of them, so keep up the sly marketing
     
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    haha, i wouldn't doubt that DB could play for friggin tulsa

    i always list the same top teams when i counter the ridiculous statement that DB could play "ANYWHERE" he wants in the college landscape - teams like USC, UVA, UGA, UCLA

    let me know when he shows up on the roster for one of the big dogs, not a sort of decent D1 program
     
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  14. mikej

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    care to comment coach???

    or going to fall through on this one as well???
     
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    Your right about that his dad couldn't give a crapp about what anyone thinks in life or on here , he has those he has respect for on here but over all he will feel free to say what he wants and if people are stupid enough to root against someone else for what he says , how valuable is there support anyways ? Hey you upset me therefore I hate that guy standing next to you WOW real intelligent yeah?
     
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    if i will be there during those days, I will certainly do so. Watched many OB and EH in my day.
     
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    OB is looking very likely if we show up and your around please come up and introduce yourself would love to meet one of the few I respect on here and i do mean that , we may show up early to train maybe at Boca or ?
     
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    I ve seen your kid play since 12 s, so I know who you are. Should I be there, I ll introduce myself.

    Who is there in Boca for your kid to train with? I thought they have younger kids there now, all the older kids are gone.
     
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    Good work for the players and I believe a WC into a Pro Level Tournament goes to the winner, pretty good incentive to play some clay matches, during the fall.
     
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    Not sure but we are talking with a coach there I like alot and may spend some time with him , but hopefully there will be some hits there .
     
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    well there is allways that thought that clay is good to hit on and this is a good start since they will graduate and try the futures for a year then they are off to the working world of life.
     
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    Who s the coach you like? There is only one down there who preaches going pro no matter what! And that probably pleases your ears.
     
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  23. Soianka

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    Mike there is something wrong with you stalking this kid through all his matches, posting incessently about him, and seeming to take glee any time the boy loses.

    Get a grip, man.
     
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    hi lapdog,

    was there a problem with anything i posted before dad decided to slander another duke player publicly - something he refuses to back up with video so far???

    i apologize for following college tennis and posting about an interesting matchup of DB's...idiot
     
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  25. mikej

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    the tone of this thread was totally reasonable until no1coach wrote a post including such comments as "yes Saba won but what a pathetic lil girl he is and embarrassment for Duke tennis."

    but, like a good little lapdog, you jump to defend a grown man who slanders any opponent DB loses to
     
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  26. Soianka

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    You sound nutty constantly posting about this kid.
     
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    Solianka you need to back off ! I have him here cause I want him here , he is my reseach monkey ,keeps me from having to reseach google when some info is needed on a tennis players , So please dont scare him off when I want him gone I will get rid off him ok and Thanx .

    BTW how have you been ?
     
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  28. Number1Coach

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    probably the one your thinking of then .
     
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  29. tenniscp

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    If it is the one I am thinking of, you may want to take him with a grain of salt. There must be a reason why he lost all his players in Boca. Had four players a year ago and now has none. Talks a big game for sure but still has to follow the directions from "above". And "above" is where the problems begin! Just be careful.
     
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  30. Number1Coach

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    if you feel comfortable please contact me through "mrtennisdad" on youtube what you just said has my ear and would like to dialogue with you more but not on here , also it is crunch time and i would love to trade with you in private about our options, get your thoughts .
     
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  31. tenniscp

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    I don t know that I am ready to step out of the comfort of having an online identity and be able to keep in touch with the state of junior and collegiate tennis in US, all without any attachments or obligations.

    I don t know enough about your actual situation or your long term goals to render an intelligent opinion . All i know is what you choose to put on these boards. And as we all know, we sometimes play things up to make a point and etc.

    You have handled your kid all these years, for better or for worse, and DB is turning out to be a better player and competitor than I would have predicted. If you feel that you are ready to have an outside coach handle your kid, and especially someone from the organization that has mishandled or mistreated you to a certain extent for years, I would think long and hard.

    Coaches have come and gone in Boca for many years, and good coaches at that, but very little has changed in terms of how kids are handled down there. Kids will never be a priority there! The HP program and the magnificent trio that runs it, are the priority!

    Your best bet would be to reach out to those four families, whose kids were in care of a certain coach we are speaking of and listen to the reasons why hey are no longer with him.
     
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  32. Number1Coach

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    Gotchya and will do , like I said if your at the OB let's do coffee and your identity will stay what it is 'tenniscp' ,Thanx for your thoughts will be talking on here I am sure now let me get back to swatting the TW beehive haha.

    Btw DB has stressed who he wants coaching him and we have added extra insiders but he wants to keep it as is
     
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  33. Pro_Tour_630

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    :neutral:Saw the two videos posted on youtube, they looked out to me, there could be others but the two that we saw were close but out. DB should not let these two calls affect him but then again there could be other calls which were not shown that show blatant cheating.

    Anyway good match for 16 year old going three with top D1 guys:)
     
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  34. JLyon

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    were these matches chaired? Were they under ITA or USTA or ITF rules? On Clay DB could have requested to check the mark.
    First one honestly he walked away and then came back, to me that is too late ask immediately for umpire.

    I'll be honest? I think the official is in the wrong did not see point so can not truly say where the ball landed. You start with next point.
     
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    I see that you posted the video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGNKKmy9sfQ


    Here are some pictures that show that you are incorrect. I think it is shameful that you are calling the Duke player names and accusing him of cheating when he made the correct call. You owe him an apology.


    Here is a picture. The shadow of the ball is on the line and the ball is a few inches in the air-
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    Here is a picture with the ball touching the ground (no shadow). It is at least 1-inch wide.
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    Here is the final picture after the bounce showing the shadow-
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  36. Pro_Tour_630

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    DB walked right away to the net to stop the match then went back to pick up a ball and walked up to net to confront Saba only when Saba walked away DB called for official. Nothing wrong with that. But you are right the official was wrong because he did not see the point and overruled on an incorrect ball mark. :oops:Saba got robbed on this point. But I do believe BB that there were other points where Saba hooked DB. This stuff happens all the time.
     
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    I see your point, I just saw DB walk to net to look, he probably should have called for official then, and then walked back and then came back to net.
    Saba only has to confirm his call and if he wants circle the mark that "HE" believes is correct. Once the official shows up it is now heresay.
     
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    I think the ball was too close to call out to be fair but of course players calling their own lines generally don't follow that rule.

    The thing that makes Saba's behavior questionable besides making such close calls is that he first points to the wrong mark in the first video.

    In the 2nd video, he won't show the umpire the mark.

    On clay, there really should not be these questions if Saba would just circle the mark after the call once questioned and then let DB or the umpire examine the mark.

    Then there would be no question at all.
     
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    How is the ball too close to call out? It was out and he called it correctly.

    The point is that you don't call someone a cheater, call them names, get into a confrontation with them at a match, and then post a video that clearly shows that the person made the correct call.
     
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    The officials usually get it wrong on a clay court. If the official didn't see the ball land they can ask the player making the call where is the mark. If the player says I can't find the mark- the official cannot overrule. The problem is the opponent usually then leans over the net, finds a mark nearby that is in, and says that's the mark, I saw it hit there, the ball is good. The official should not be overruling in this case but they usually do and they are almost always wrong.
     
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    Saba had the correct call but could not circle the mark because there were no mark, it was a floater. DB pointed to the wrong mark which was the corner of the service box, judge saw the incorrect mark and overruled it in. This stuff happens all the time sometime unintentionally.
     
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    The first video Saba points to incorrect ball mark , then DB tells him it was closer towards net, then Saba finds the correct mark and circles it , done deal. The second video it was the other way around, DB points to the incorrect mark (unintentionally or not because dumb official walked towards incorrect mark) while Saba could not find the correct mark because it was a floater, but it was clearly out . You are right lesson learned here is to circle immediately, these kids have little experience with clay so they are not used to this routine. Clay court specialists know the gig.
     
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    Saba could have just pulled a Conners and just scuffed the marks out with his foot = problem solved, but not advocated on my end
     
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    Who says the ball was out? It could have caught the edge of the line.

    The point is, it was very close to being in or out and the only way to know for sure if is the correct mark was circled and examined.

    However, since the ball was so close. It probably should not have been called out and I doubt either player could have seen the ball clearly in or out while in play.

    Your pictorial really doesn't clear it up.
     
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    Good thought the ball did clip the line and you could see it kick away from the court that is why DB imediately question the call .

    DB was stupid he should have just went to punishing the center of the court and stayed away from the lines , very jr very stupid especially when you have the ability to dictate and the other player has to just accept it.
     
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    I find it best for a player to move on from line calling issues. For long-term growth, taking repsonsibility for what you can, that means the shots you hit, the strategy and tactics you used, and ultimately for the outcome of the match, win or lose will make you stronger. Teach the player to deal with line calls, learn from it and move on. Next time handle it the best way possible when it happens. You know that a line call or two, even three rarely determine the outcome of a match. Sure, sometimes it does, but thats the exception not the norm. I know you don't care what folks think of you Brad, but I am dissapointed you confronted the opponent after the match. If it was me you confronted, I would have laughed in your face.

    Don't take what I'm saying the wrong way. I'm done bashing with you, I think you know that. Just trying to help.
     
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    Whoa...

    First, I love that he's shooting for the stars and hope that he's a great kid dispite the fathers bluster.

    But...this is the incriminating evidence against the Duke guy that lead to DB tanking?? Really? The one ball is clearly out - as demonstrated by punch. Then, DB gets an overrule pointing to wrong mark 3 feet from where the ball hit. That's a joke when a player calls an ump to check a mark and dupes the ump into ruling in their favor based on a mark that far off. If my kid did that, he would get it from me.

    Next observation...the tulsa kid vid. Sorry but I don't get the kids that need to scream c'mon and fist pump toward the opponent on a routine unforced error.

    Lastly, two observations for DB based on these four clips...(sure it's not novel)

    1) Just play your game! Knock off challenging calls (incorrectly!) and also the Anna Ivanovic-like fist pumps when you didn't do anything special. I've got nothing against a little adrelenine fist pump when you've really earned it, ala a great shot or crazy point. But overall, staying mentally focused and mentally level will serve you much better than acting like you did something special just because you put the ball in the court and they dumped it. It always looks a little desperate when a player has to feed their ego with such exuberance when doing so little.

    2. With his size, why play a grinder game? In the tulsa points he could have come in several times and instead prefers to grind rather than move in and tag the sitter retreivals. I think he needs to better read when he's hit a ball that puts his opponent under pressure - and move forward for a volley or drive volley.

    He's got great footwork and is clearly physically gifted and a hard worker so I think he's got as much potential as any 16 yr old.

    But I'd just have him work on playing a lot more aggresive and inside baseline and change direction of the ball and follow it in a lot more. Grinders are a dime a dozen and they usually aren't this tall. Build a game that takes full advantage of your physical stature. I'd hate to be trying to pass a 6'8" guy that made it clear he was going to make me every time he got a chance.

    Good luck with him.
     
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    Ahhh..........., the ball must have caught the line. That is a good one.

    The picture clears everything up. There is no evidence that would warrant a parent calling the kid a cheater, calling him names, or confronting the opponent. None of the video "proof" has done anything to make it appear that he was getting hooked. If anything, the "proof" has the opposite effect of what dad thinks it has.

    The sad part is that DB is clearly a talent, especially for his age. He doesn't need to have a parent ranting, raving and making excuses.

    This is the correct answer-
     
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    The picture doesn't clear up anything. From the angle that the video still was taken from, we cannot tell if the ball touched the line or not.

    We also don't know if the frames you showed capture the moment the ball touched the court.

    The point is the ball was very close to being in or out, so it's a tough call to make.

    If you make the call on a clay court, circle the mark.

    The opponent has been playing long enough to do that to avoid controversy.

    As for calling the opponent names, I don't agree with that, but we cannot pretend to know definitively if those balls were in our out.
     
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    I agree with that.

    Get the mentality of focusing on the things you can control. You cannot control the way your opponent makes line calls.

    I think we've seen that attitude from the Williams Sisters over the years. They most often don't seem to sweat even obviously bad calls.
     

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