just FYI - interesting match for DB

Discussion in 'Junior League & Tournament Talk' started by mikej, Nov 2, 2012.

  1. Number1Coach

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    2 reason I come on here entertainment and info , 1 whatever the majority is saying is what you want to do the opposite of , also the hater always point out your flaws and are most of the time correct therefore build on it , 2 how much more entertaining then to hear a bunch of self-proclaimed experts give their advise with No evidence or proof of any of their work and they do this with a lot of conviction ?
     
  2. sundaypunch

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    And the one thing they don't have in common? The better juniors that go the D1 route end up with a free college education and have a bright future.

    Based on your son's results to date, you are betting his future on a lottery ticket. Many tennis parents can bankroll a college education if their kid tries a few years on the tour with no results. If you aren't one of those, you can see why people keep pushing "results, results, results" on you.
     
  3. socaltennnis

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    Mikej, when are you going to figure out that BB is just stringing you along and pulling your chain. If you ever watch DB in a tournament, he is composed and plays with great sportsmanship. His dad has been great to enforce that upon him. Yes, they both want DB to become the best player he can, but do you think this same dad is busy on a tennis forums everyday to argue about his son's ambitions and skills in a serious manner? I don't know, but I do not think that is the case. One thing is for sure though, BB and DB have very good friendly relationships with college coaches. One in particular, PS, has kids that are roughly the same age as DB. Does he currently have an offer or shown an interest in any schools? I do not know that either, but the point is that the Internet is not a good source for information.
     
  4. Number1Coach

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    I hate people like you that use common sense and logic mixed with intelligence you look to sabotage all my fun on here haha , you are correct BB has a great relations with many of the top D1 coaches and they are very aware of the goals we are pursuing , many have encouraged that route seeing DB performing at the 16 and understanding development and knowing he is still a good year and a half away from a decision from college and still needs to fill out .

    But please don't let MileyJ in on me tooling him along or I will come throw rocks at your house tonight !
     
  5. coaching32yrs

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    I certainly hope he is pulling everyone's chain and in the end the kid goes to college. For every parent and player: there is point where you cannot think pro instead of college. For example if a kid is 100 TRN you cannot logically think about going pro. If you are a junior in hs, have no signature wins, and have lost to guys in the 70s, 80s and 90s you cannot consider a straight jump to the pros. You can do it- it's just insanity. It's nice to dream. My player has dreams of going pro too and he is outside the top 75. His talent is at least equal to DB but he trains 4 hours a week. Should he go pro too?
     
  6. Soianka

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    Ah, finally, the root of your repeated attacks on DB finally comes to light.

    If your kid can't do it, no body else's can either, huh?

    Didn't you say your boy was a 4 star player?

    I doubt anyone would agree that his talent is "at least equal to DB."

    But I agree, your "top 75" TRN kid is not going to go pro (barring a miracle).

    Top 75 and top 100 are a lot different than top 5.
     
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  7. Number1Coach

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    Soianka thanx for the defense of DB but in this case your wrong , this kid plays 4 hrs a week and is equal talent to DB he should go pro then don't you agree ? Think it through you have to agree ?

    This is the same guy that watched DB serve , no radar gun yet he knew the speed was not over the 120 mph , this is why I shake my head at some of the experts on here .

    Btw DB serving at Philip was a big serve being returned by Philip who has a "great" return , made 125 look like 40 mph , saying DB wasn't serving big was and insult to Philips talent .
     
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    He seems to be suggesting that his son is more talented than a kid with much better results...if only he practiced more. But of course the kid won't practice more because trying to pursue one's dreams are apparently a foolish endeavor.

    I just don't like the repeated negative tone of some adults around here. The glee they seem to take in putting down a teenager and pretending that they can predict the future or can easily quantify some young person's potential.

    I thought I'd give the dude a bit of his own medicine.
     
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  9. coaching32yrs

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    Kudla, Sock, and Harrison going right to the pros were good moves. All the other US boys should be going to college first. And most are. Could very well be that no US boys except those 3 have a shot on pro tour. The game has gone global and the competition is brutal. I don't think you appreciate how difficult it is.
     
  10. Number1Coach

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    the difference between us "USA" and global is they go for it, our view is coddle as long as we can as coaches and allways tell our players its impossible to make it as a pro 'your a good example' then when they reach 18 we pass them off to college and hope somehow magically they figure out a 'real work ethic' and get the belief you could never instill , sorry buddy never would tell my player the stars cannot be reach if they are willing to sacrifice and go for it .

    As for global the rest of the globe is nothing.
     
  11. Number1Coach

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    its all good I hope the best for his kid and whatever college they shoot for .
     
  12. coaching32yrs

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    You have invented this theory out of thin air because it is the only way you get from where you are to the pro level. I have never heard or read anyone in the tennis world with this as their base viewpoint. Everyone in tennis points to 2 major reasons for European pro dominance: 1) They attract the better athletes. Tennis is the 2nd or 3rd most popular sport in Europe, in the US between 9 and 11; 2) Training on clay courts is superior because if creates better footwork, rewards patience, and helps a player learn how to build a point.
     
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    Here i will give you and easy one to try and explain "build a point or construct a point " ? please explain this theory all you coaches use this term and it doesnt exist !! There is No way to build a point in todays game, its all about reacting in a ralley that is moving at mach speed and the only time you can think these days in tennis is on the serve and you can sometimes start guessing on return .

    build a point ? clay courts build superior footwork I dont think so great footwork is built off court with hrs and hrs of hard work this is where it is built but coaches like you will spew this garbage out like it is law because you have know idea how to take a player to the beach put them and the sand and have them work for a good hr or two .

    just to make sure I heard right because they are on clay they have superior footwork ? then are you saying building footwork off court is not needed ? which one is it ?
     
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    oh shyt BB.. now you've done it... you will have every arm chair coach and USTA wannabe coach on you for these comments.. every one and their moms are advocating playing on clay .. you just hit that bee hive .. here it come..

    I agree on a lot of stuff you've addressed .. that is why you need to work with Deit on the stuff I told you the time I saw you before summer ... don't get too personal with me on these boards .. you can call me or facebook me.. people here are not my cup of tea,so hide my ID...
     
  15. coaching32yrs

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    It's my own experience that playing on clay builds better footwork. Can't cheat on footwork. Have to be in balance because surface is slippery. On hard court your footwork can be off, but you get enough grip to transfer weight and hit a big ball. As far as patience and building points- bashing from baseline and beyond on clay not as effective because the surface is slower. Have to open the court up more before pulling trigger. These grinding, neutral, and defensive skills are critical in the pro game. Can't play offense on every ball. Have to be able to play all the shots effectively. As far as off the court footwork training- not sure. Lot of other off court I do first before getting to that.
     
  16. Number1Coach

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    Try this go watch a match with 2 solid players , watch as the ralley and count every step one of the players is taking for every swing , on average the player will take 6 to 8 steps per swing and with basic math skills it will turn out something like 850 steps to just over a 100swings now what do you think is more important footwork or strokes ?
     
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    Can't hit the ball well unless you get in position for it.
     

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