Justine Henin: A disappointment to say the least.

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  1. Teyko

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    I am amazed by the hype that Justine Henin receives given her "recent comeback." I have not been impressed at all, and her game, specifically her serves are definitely found wanting.
     
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    Well she has already beaten many top 10 opponents and made the finals of the first slam of 2010.

    I wouldn't exactly say those are disappointing results...
     
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    She just started the comeback and yet almost beat Serena in the Australian final. That's not bad and I think she'll get better with some more tournament play.
     
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    She performed terribly in the Australian Open final despite that she had chances to win. She was also lucky to be in the final as she had some close calls in earlier rounds. She hasnt won a tournament since her comeback, and lost to a pusher like Dulko. I would say she is doing very poorly. If she doesnt atleast win the French Open which should be a breeze for her amongst the current field at even 70% then she should probably abandon her comeback altogether and retire again.
     
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    can anyone tell me why is she changing her serve?. She was serving well before she retired?
     
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    hahahahahaha so many wrong things with this.

    Reaching AO is not terrible for one and why would she quit when she could win more slams, maybe not as dominant as before but still win and make a crap load of money? You're so simple minded.
     
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    If she doesnt win the FO this year she would probably never win another slam. Needless to say that is by far her best surface, and the current womens clay court field is garbage (the Williams at this point being weak there already is enough to make it so). So if she cant win there vs the current field she wouldnt ever win another slam, and it might be wise to move on in that case.

    As for Australia she wasnt impressive in her play there except for her semifinal vs that Chinese pusher, and to some degree vs Dementieva. You dont need to be that impressive to make a slam final on the womens side these days, just look at Safina making 3 of them, and Bartoli even making 1 of them.
     
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    Yeah, Kim...
     
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    Yeah coming back after a year and half break and making the finals of your first grand slam is a failure in my book as well. If she was good she would've bageled everyone and won the Aussie Open in just under 3 hours on court
     
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    Henin's game is more elaborate and complete than Kim's....So it makes sense that she will lose some matches that she wouldn't have pre-retirement. It will take longer to get back to her old form than it took Kim. I think the clay season will be good for her confidence. Look at Fed, who has the most complete game but it took him until his 23rd birthday to win his first slam...
     
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    April's fool!
     
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    You don't need to be impressive to win six consecutive matches against the top players in the world. Piece of cake. Any weekend hacker can do it. Riiiiiiiiiight!
     
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    i think she should be able to win the french, i'll be rooting for her there.
     
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    No one is more disappointed by Justine's comeback than Elena Dementieva:D
     
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    This thread is a disappointment to say the least.
     
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    Agreed... where do people come up with these expectations?!??? I have never been much of a Henin fan, but to say her come back is a dissapointment so far, or to suggest she should forget tennis if she doesn't win the French is just silly.
     
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    Ask the Henin fans around here, who kissed her ass upon her return, all but swearing she was going to (paraphrasing) "rule," sweep the slams or be "restored" to some fictional position as though she was the greatest player who ever lived (when she's not even that in her own generation).
     
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    Great analysis!

    I agree...
     
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    It was an impressive feat, considering she was well short in terms of match practice. Her level of play has not been what it was, but she showed great mental toughness to win some hard fought 3 setters (Dementieva and Wickmayer) in Australia. The final itself was not a blowout, but another competitive 3 setter against the current best player in womens tennis. I expect she will only get better as the season goes on.
     
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    Either Henin fans but most likely Williams haters (Serena in particular).

    The hypothetical and fictitious idea they had of the Belgians' return toppling and crippling the sisters.
     
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    That remains to be seen, and so far, her AO and Miami adventures have been a bust.


    Simple minded is thinking a millionaire is even concerned with a check, when that is not her concern when playing. She wants records.
     
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    In her 4 tournaments played in her come back, she has made 2 finals and a semi.

    She lost all of those in the 3rd set.

    I wouldn't call that a disappointment.
     
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    Let's not forget that she is unranked (in tournaments) so she doesn't get those "easy" early round matches. So she is playing betters players all the way through the tournament.
     
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    cant say i see any problems with her comeback or kims.

    id guess by the end of the year, the ws and the 2 belgiuns will all be very closely ranked in the standings, all of which making the year end championship.

    as for henin failing, do remember, that she has changed her playstyle dramatically, with one goal in mind. if she fails to make the finals or a good strong semi run at wimby then you can start to have a glimmer of doubt about her.
     
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    her coach prolly tryin to make it more serena like? perhaps?
     
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    LOL...making AO final is a bust.:shock: Typical thundervolley
     
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    she's pretty good considering her obvious handicap: a 5 feet 6 woman playing against much taller and stronger women.
     
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    if that is a disappointment, i don't know what to call sharapova's come back attempt :)
     
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    Now, I'm all for Henin's comeback, but really. Stronger? Have you seen Henin as of late? She's a type specimen for human female physiology.
     
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    She reached the AO final, that's pretty good if you ask me.

    If you watched some of her matches (not just AO), she actually played much better tennis than some (if not most) of the top 10.
     
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    i don't know. i think stosur and serena look a lot stronger than henin. henin just looks like a skinny woman.

    henin and serena at the 2010 AO
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    Failure must an option for you, but it is not for sports professionals. Now that i've instructed you with this fact, Henin making a final and not winning is not successful in competition. Her goal was to win, junior...not ending as a runner-up.
     
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    LOL...you said Henin's results at the AO and Miami is a BUST which is nonsense. She didn't loses to a WC, but to a pretty good player Kim in the semi, who has a chance to win Miami. Henin made the AO final and that is more expected for a player who just returning to the tour. I think most would agree with me that her result is pretty good for 2010. And certain not a BUST.:shock:

    Are you one of those who believe losing the early round is FAR worse than losing in the final? Are you?
     
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    Stosur and Serena are big gals, no doubt, but Henin is in no way skinny. Just take a look at the picture, and take a look at her arms, and calves. They're huge. I remember being quite unsurprised during the Wozniacki match (Wozniacki is about 10 centimeters taller) that she weighed only 1 kg less than Wozniacki.
     
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    Your complete ignorance is telling--and your satisfaction with losing--which is not why Henin plays, thus her results are a bust. You are not covincing anyone with ideas that goes against the very reason anyone plays pro sports.

    Try again, junior.
     
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    It depends on what you were expecting. Some Juju fans and Serena/Clijsters bashers were expecting Henin to conquer the tour like she did in 2007. Those folks were asking for too much in my opinion.

    Now there are those that think she'll find her way back to the top 10 and maybe capture a slam in the process. That's definitely possible, but not an automatic. We're barely in April and she has 7 wins against top 20 players. Thre's cause for optimism if you're in that camp.

    If you're realistic, you'll probably find reasons to like and dislike based on her return. Sure she's winning matches and going deep, but she has new flaws as a result of her new aggressive game. That's to be expected. IMO she's not going to win any slams with her game as it is, but she can tweak and refine it as she did when she started winning slams. But right now her backhand is quite error-prone, her serve is spotty, and her forehand is probably her best shot currently.
     
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    That makes no sense at all. If Justine, is able to make the finals of a major, then she shouldn't quit. Obviously, she's still one of the best players, if she's able to reach the finals of the majors and why quit if you're at the top of the game?
     
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    Laughable. How is it ignorance just b/c I pointed out your nonsense when you're incapable of justifying it?

    She didn't loses to a WC, but to a pretty good player Kim in the semi, who has a chance to win Miami. Henin made the AO final and that is more expected for a player who just returning to the tour. I think most would agree with me that her result is pretty good for 2010. And certain not a BUST.:shock:

    If you insist on believing it's a bust for reaching the GS final, how do you judge Serena losing the USO in the hands of an unretired player? Disaster of the century?

    You didn't answer my question: Are you one of those who believe losing the early round is FAR worse than losing in the final? Are you?
     
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    Absolutely. It's not that she's constantly losing to qualifiers. She's just back for only a few months and had better results than she expected. No need to panic here.
     
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    Even a 70% level Henin is much more entertaining than the dumbarse WTA baseline bashers.
     
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    I think she's doing very well actually. I never agreed that she'd come back and dominate the WTA. Her new game style allows her some more opportunities to stand up to the big hitters, but it has also made her a little bit more inconsistent. That said, I think (1) she'll continue to do well, and very well may add to her Slam total, and (2) she'll continue to have some bad losses, some bad tournaments. It happens. Players lose.
     
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    Yep. The match between the Belgians was quite entertaining yesterday.
     
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    Translation: you are so incredibly thick that you cannot comprehand hat Henin--like every pro player only has one task: to win, not be runner up. Anything less in professional sports is a failure. Thanks to your rather plebeian "reasoning" skills, you lean on an argument using losing as a positive, which fails to any rational mind.
    Pity.
     
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    hmmmm...so every players on tour are not impressive, except only one player - a winner. How about players too lazy and not even bother to show up? Are they impressive by you?
     
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    Perhaps to keep up with the rest of the field? Which, according to experts, is not that great....:)
     
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    But that's not what you said.

    She didn't loses to a WC, but to a pretty good player Kim in the semi, who has a chance to win Miami. Henin made the AO final and that is more expected for a player who just returning to the tour. I think most would agree with me that her result is pretty good for 2010. And certain not a BUST.:shock:

    If you insist on believing it's a bust for reaching the GS final, how do you judge Serena losing the USO in the hands of an unretired player? Disaster of the century?

    You didn't answer my question: Do you believe losing the early round is FAR worse than losing in the final? Do you?
     
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    Henin looked erratic at times against Clijsters, and also brilliant, I think she is working on that rust and has the natural ability and mental toughness to succeed in the future, She Will Be Back.
     
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    Struggling with comprehension again?

    "Bust" and "failure" in relation to sports boil down to the same thing: Henin did not reach her one and only goal: to win.

    Once again--in the many times information must be repeated to you:

    You cannot comprehend that Henin has only has one task: to win, not be runner up. Anything less in professional sports is a failure. Thanks to your rather plebeian "reasoning" skills, you lean on an argument using losing as a positive, which fails to any rational mind.


    You will never sell anyone on your Bizarro planet sense of "success," or acceptable results, and no one would bet on Henin herself claiming the AO and Miami results were part of her game plan upon entering each event. If not a part of her plan, then it is a bust--a failure.

    Understand the reality of the world, junior.
     
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  50. TMF

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    Isn't that everyone's goal is to play and win? How many players in the history of women's tennis made the GS final? But it's a bust to get there?
    You think Henin would trade her AO final to Venus's trophy in Dubai? Just b/c it's a tournament that was WON? Still no. Not a bust year for Henin.
    Sorry to riled you up but you are being rediculous.



    Again......

    She didn't loses to a WC, but to a pretty good player Kim in the semi, who has a chance to win Miami. Henin made the AO final and that is more expected for a player who just returning to the tour. I think most would agree with me that her result is pretty good for 2010. And certain not a BUST.:shock:

    If you insist on believing it's a bust for reaching the GS final, how do you judge Serena losing the USO in the hands of an unretired player? Disaster of the century?

    You didn't answer my question: Do you believe losing the early round is FAR worse than losing in the final? Do you?
     
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