Karlovic banned to play in the Olympics by Croatian Federation

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  1. Zaragoza

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    After Karlovic refused to play Davis Cup in the last 2 years because he considered the prize money distribution in the team unfair and now that Croatia dropped from the World Group in the Davis Cup, the Croatian Federation announced that Karlovic will not be inscribed to play in Beijing 2008 and he will not be allowed to practice on the tennis Federation courts where he used to practice.

    Link in Spanish:

    http://www.marca.com/edicion/marca/tenis/es/desarrollo/1039233.html
     
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  2. jmsx521

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    Can someone elaborate on the distribution of prize money in the Croation Davis Cup team? I thought Davis Cup was played for your country's honor, not for money.
     
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  3. EliteNinja

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    Well, if the Croatian Federation wants Croatia to have no chance in the Olympics, they can go ahead and ban Karlovic.

    Complaining about your cut in David Cup money is not a good move by Karlovic.
    But voicing your opinion about prize distribution should not be grounds for a ban from the Olympics.
     
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  4. Fee

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    All Davis Cup players are paid by their Federation to appear in Davis Cup ties. Apparently, the Croatian Federation gave more money to Ljubicic and Ancic than they did to Karlovic (go figure). Not sure what exactly Ivo's specific complaint were, but he is not the first player to have issues with his federation about playing DC.
     
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  5. jmsx521

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    Karlovic's results are not a whole lot worse than those of Ljubicic and Ancic. Paying less would offend me too, and I would do the same thing if I was on his place.
     
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  6. El Hombre

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    Didn't Ljubicic win the DC single handedly not too long ago?
     
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    I'm on Karlovic's side. How petty to ban him from the Olympics, they are ruining their own chances at a medal.
     
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    It is awfully hard to win doubles single handedly, but he did lead the team, along with Ancic.
     
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    jmsx521, meet Real World....Real World, meet jmsx521....
     
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  10. dima

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    LMAO! Now that's funny.
     
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    OMG...and my mother finally admitted that it was SHE, not the tooth fairy that put the quarters under my pillow...:rolleyes:
     
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  12. El Hombre

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    Not really, Karlovic really has no chance at a medal. Ljubo and Ancic are their only 2 hopes just like in Athens where they atleast got Bronze.
     
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  13. callitout

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    In 06 and 05, IVO was ranked between 50-100.
    while Ljubicic and Ancic were in the top 10 and 20 respectively.
    Ljubicic delivered one of the all time great DC performances to win the title.

    Not sure what Ivo's thinking.
     
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  14. Tchocky

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    Were you born yesterday? Countries have been paying their players to participate in Davis Cup for decades.
     
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  15. pound cat

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    Does anyone seriously think Davydenko would be play for DC otherwise?
     
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    5 guys play on the Davis Cup team and each member contributes to the DC win. Therefore each player should be equally paid no matter how many matches he plays. Some may play more than others depending how many rubbers are played.

    And DC has absolutely nothing to do with ATP ranking.

    Karlovic has been sacrewed by the Croation Federation since his early days as a struggling player. They gave him absolutely no help coach-wise, court-wise, or money-wise. I had a lengthy talk with his coach in Montreal and he said Ivo deserved everying he had worked for.

    Karlovic shoud fix the Croatian federeration by going and playing for
    Serbia. I would love to see that, but I somehow don't think it will happen.

    (We'll take you in Canada, Ivo).
     
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  17. J-man

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    As streaky as Ivo is he could use the money;)
     
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    FOUR players on each Davis Cup team, not five.

    http://www.daviscup.com/shared/medialibrary/pdf/original/DC_6931_original.PDF

    36. TEAM NOMINATIONS
    [FONT=BIILEB+TimesNewRomanPSMT,BIILEB+TimesNewRomanPSMT](a) Each competing Nation shall at least 10 days before the date fixed for the commencement of the Tie, nominate to the Davis Cup Committee and to the opposing Nation without specifying which players shall play in singles and doubles:[/FONT]
    [FONT=BIILEB+TimesNewRomanPSMT,BIILEB+TimesNewRomanPSMT]- [/FONT][FONT=BIILEB+TimesNewRomanPSMT,BIILEB+TimesNewRomanPSMT]A team of a minimum of three and a maximum of four which shall include the nomination of a playing Captain; or [/FONT]
    [FONT=BIILEB+TimesNewRomanPSMT,BIILEB+TimesNewRomanPSMT]- [/FONT][FONT=BIILEB+TimesNewRomanPSMT,BIILEB+TimesNewRomanPSMT]A team of a minimum of four and a maximum of five which shall include the nomination of a non-playing Captain[/FONT]
    [FONT=BIILEB+TimesNewRomanPSMT,BIILEB+TimesNewRomanPSMT]Two nominations may be changed up to one hour before the Draw. [/FONT]
    [FONT=BIILEB+TimesNewRomanPSMT,BIILEB+TimesNewRomanPSMT]Any of the above nominations may be changed up to 10 days prior to the Tie. [/FONT]
    [FONT=BIILEB+TimesNewRomanPSMT,BIILEB+TimesNewRomanPSMT]Only players nominated in accordance with the above shall be selected to play in the singles and doubles matches of that Tie. [/FONT]
    [FONT=BIILEB+TimesNewRomanPSMT,BIILEB+TimesNewRomanPSMT]In addition, the nomination of a non-playing Captain may be changed at any time before the commencement of the Tie.[/FONT]
    [FONT=BIILEB+TimesNewRomanPSMT,BIILEB+TimesNewRomanPSMT]Different players and/or Captains may be nominated by a Nation for each Tie.[/FONT]
    [FONT=BIILEB+TimesNewRomanPSMT,BIILEB+TimesNewRomanPSMT]If the Captain is unable to fulfil his duties on court, he may be replaced only by one of the nominated players who shall be allowed to sit on the court. [/FONT]
    [FONT=BIILEB+TimesNewRomanPSMT,BIILEB+TimesNewRomanPSMT]The Draw shall take place on the day preceding the Tie and at least 24 hours before the commencement of play, unless otherwise agreed by the ITF. [/FONT]
    [FONT=BIILEB+TimesNewRomanPSMT,BIILEB+TimesNewRomanPSMT]Notification must be given to the Referee and to the opposing Captain.

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  19. Feña14

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    It was Ancic and Ljubicic who won the matches that got Croatia the Davis Cup, why shouldn't they get payed more? (we are talking about the previous 2 years, where they did great things for Croatian tennis).

    If you don't play then why get the same? It's not like he could of played another ATP tournament instead so he wasn't missing out on prize money.
    You get payed depending on the quality of job you do. Would a lawyer doing a bit of background research for another lawyers case get payed the same amount of fee's for the case? Of course not!

    I like Karlovic but that's pretty poor. A bit harsh banning him from the Olympics though lol.
     
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  20. pound cat

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    there are 5 players on each team including the alternate.

    RUSSIA: Youzhny, Davydenko, Andreev, Tursonov, alternate : Safin
     
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    I can't find anything in the Davis Cup rulebook about an alternate. If you can find it, let me know the page number. Thanks.
     
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    I'm only going by what Shamil Turpischev said about the Russian team. He said Safin was the alternate. I don't think he reads Davis cup rule books a lot. And either do I.
     
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    Karlovic is stupid. People who play Davis Cup play are supposed to play for their country's pride, not to make money even if they get some.
     
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    Lol, I think you're the stupid one here hon ;)
     
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  25. sureshs

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    US singles Davis Cup players get $100K a rubber. The coach gets $50K a rubber.

    Players are not doing it "for their country", which they won't tell you publicly of course.
     
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  26. MEAC_ALLAMERICAN

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    Wow...

    Are you serious? :confused:

    I honestly thought Davis Cup participants played for the "love" of their country. I don't know if I was ignorant to the fact, but I knew that the players had all their traveling and other expenses that they incurred taken care of by their respective federations, but I never thought they got paid to play.
     
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    Okay, I see now. You didn't quote Shamil before. I think basically what he is saying is that Marat will be a practice partner and he'll be named one of the four on Thursday if he's playing better than any one of the other guys or if someone can't play. The French did that a few years ago as well. It's a coach's option, but the DC rules don't really recognize an 'alternate' so to speak. I don't think they put a limit on the number of 'practice partners' either, its up to each Federation to decide how many players they want to cover traveling expenses for.

    Yes, they get paid to play. It varies from federation to federation, based on what each organization can afford and I've never seen any amounts published anywhere. I'm sure many of these players would play regardless of the amount because some of them really do think DC is important, but the cash helps if you have to give up a tournament the week before or the week after to prepare or to rest.
     
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  28. coloskier

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    Before the match begins, the coach has to pick 4 players and one practice partner. The practice partner is not allowed to play in any of the matches. if one of the players gets injured, you have 2 others to pick from for the next singles match. Pray that it isn't a "doubles specialist".
     
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    Karlovic did something wrong but what the Federation did was even more wrong.

    Damn,these croatian federations.What's wrong with them???
    The minister of Cro sports also called Vujanic,Zizic and other Croatian Players national traitors because they couldnt' play in the Eurobasket07.:rolleyes:
    Supposedly because the government let them keep playing instead of fighting during the war.:roll: (during that time most of them were 5-8 years old) [​IMG]
     
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  30. J-man

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    They could be doing a lot more and get more than just 100,000. I think they are doing it for their country.
     
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    Are you serious? That's way more than first place prize money in most tournaments. Take the Thailand Open. This weeks winner only gets $76,500. For Davis Cup, you don't even have to win. You just have to play. If the federations offered no money to the players, the incentive would be gone. They'd only play in Olympic and pre-Olympic seasons.
     
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    Really? I'm confused because I just check the ATP site and it says something completely different.

    Never mind, I was reading the wrong column. I thought the prize money was if they won, their Davis cup match.
     
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    Their is very little time for idealism when you're a professional tennis player. They make a living playing tennis, rather than being lawyers or CPA's, although I'm sure some countries pay their players well for playing DC, if not officially than under the table. I think there will be huge incentives to win from the Russian governement in the Russia/USA final, although I'm not sure what form they will take.

    How about the uSA?

    It's going to be an ineresting final, for sure. More at stake than just winning a few rubbers.
     
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