Kevlar™ Poll

Discussion in 'Strings' started by Bud, Oct 25, 2013.

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What is your experience with Kevlar?

  1. Use it currently and love it!

    12 vote(s)
    19.4%
  2. Used it in the past and had to stop because of pain

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    24.2%
  3. Use it periodically

    12 vote(s)
    19.4%
  4. Never used it because of the bad press it receives

    23 vote(s)
    37.1%
  1. Bud

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    Please vote on your experience with Kevlar string :twisted::eek:

    Totally anonymous poll so nobody gets hassled
     
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  2. gmatheis

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    Hit with a Kevlar hybrid once back in like 1989/90 I remember it feeling stiff like a board.

    Haven't tried it since.
     
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  3. treo

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    Anybody use Ashaway Kevlar + Plus? There is only one negative review on the TW customer review page. It is supposed to be softer with PTFE fibers mixed in. Only available in reels.
     
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  4. darklore009

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    Never liked stringing it. It doesn't stretch with my alpha pioneer dc plus. Had to re-tension when the bar doesn't do down. It plays fine when playing around 45ibs.
     
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  5. martyr444

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    I've been using Kevlar for over 20 years now. Started with the Problend, but once I tried the Ashaway it has been my favorite.
     
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    these polls options are always too specific. I never fit into any of the options. I've used kevlar in the past.. never had any problems with it, but found it more economic to buy a cheap poly by the reel. Where's that option?
     
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  7. Bud

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    If you don't fall into any of the majors categories then don't vote :|
     
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  8. BreakPoint

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    I've never had any interest in using Kevlar. I like Kevlar in my frames, not in my strings. :)
     
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    that doesn't make any sense. making a poll about kevlar that excludes people that have used kevlar defeats the purpose of creating a poll about kevlar. and those arn't "major categories".. they are just arbitrary scenarios that you could fathom. maybe ive just had too many beers and am being anal.
     
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  10. Shroud

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    I agree!

    I would like to know what tensions the kevlar was strung at. My hunch is that most who try the stuff string way too high.
     
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    I bought some Ashaway 18 recently. Really unusual string. It's not rigid like a poly but floppy like a thin piece of rope and it flatterns and fattens out at the point where you bend it.

    Going to try with some ZX to see what happens. I've also discovered remains reusable as a cross even already strung once. Different sort of feel the second time round but it remains soft and powerful.
     
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  12. The Dark Knight

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    Bud,

    This was a childish move .You made a poll about kevlar to somehow prove that my idea about mixing gut with Kevlar and having the tensions different by 10 pounds is a bad idea.

    But this poll is simply a Kevlar poll and has zero to do with my idea.

    And if you go over to my thread you will see that this morning I found out that it's actually not my idea and I have re invented the wheel......this is exactly what Andre Agassi did!!
    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=478625&page=12


    Furthermore in yet another answer from tennis experts it says poly is great for the pros but horrible for club players as the tension and playability suck after a short time.

    Saying simply that "Kevlar" is bad is a simplistic and childish view....read my thread carefully and you will see that this is a different set up and very logical......

    I have no reason to lie and I'm telling you something helpful....don't be so closed minded and start running out with simplistic polls that have nothing to do with what I said.

    For those interested and want to learn something check out my thread ....especially about the Agassi revelation I found out just this morning.....

    And please look at with an open mind without bias(note: the poll results show bad press.....that you are spreading ....truth is you and everyone have been stringing it wrong against the directions of the package):

    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=478625&page=12
     
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  13. oest10

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    Regardless of your stringer ^^
     
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  14. The Dark Knight

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    First of all poly doesn't stretch either !!

    I can't believe all the closed minded prejudice.....I didn't want to derail my thread and post everything from there over here . Can you just go over there and read it.....you will see its a completely different idea and backed with data....just read it and then make your judgement.

    Even a murderer is innocent until proven guilty....can you just please read it before making a judgement?

    It's simple ....just go here and click on it....go to todays page :

    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=478625&page=12
     
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    Voted for option 3 but 2 also applies. It's ok but still breaks in 30hrs so the durability does not really make up for all its other drawbacks.

    Kevlar does stretch noticeably but mostly have experience with Ashaway 16. Pro Blend with a stiffness of 980 may be much less noticeable.

    IMO, anybody who suggests that poly doesn't stretch just to try to prove a point, is a complete and utter troll.
     
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  16. oest10

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    You can be sure polyester stretches :) Sit it on a CP stringer and see for yourself.
     
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    the dark knight,

    it seems to me that you are so fond of your idea that everybody having a different opinion (be it based on experience or not) is regarded as having a prejudice. while you theoretically are correct in the case of those who cannot rely on their own experience with kevlar, those who have played with kevlar for a reasonable time just report their experience.

    regarding stringing right or stringing wrong - in my humble opinion there is no such thing, regardless of kevlar, poly, gut or whatever.
    there has been much fuss about the jet-stringing method, which, besides some other things, means stringing the outer mains tighter than the central mains in order to pick up for the tension loss which comes with the knots. while this definitely is a sensible argument, i like to string the outer mains lower for the sole purpose of having a softer stringbed.

    regarding kevlar i had a single experience with a 1.10mm kevlar mains and syngut crosses strung at 46lbs in a 100sq.inch 16mains stick. besides a dead stringbed which i don't really like, in spite of having a heavily topspin centered game, the mains lasted for slightly less than 4 hrs, something i do also get from 16l poly. upping the gauge to improve on durability does not seem an interesting option, as it would deaden the stringbed even more. but on the other hand i am aware that there might be lots of players looking for such a stringbedresponse, so to each their own.

    a last thing i want to mention - before polys and kevlar and graphite sticks, i have seen plenty of people developing te from playing with babolat vs gut in dunlop maxply fort wooden sticks. what a lot of people simply overlook is that these "new" materials made tennis as a sport accessible to a lot more people, so that it is just natural that some of them will develop the same "troubles" with these new materials. i have never seen (not looked for i admit) a figure indicating for instance that in the '60 there have been 300.000 (just an example) players in the us (or any other country) and 3000 cases of te have been recorded in the medical records, and today we have let's say 3.000.000 players and 30.000 cases of te. it would be interesting to see if the percentages differ - personally i assume not, but then there are statistics that could show me wrong.
     
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  18. Bud

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    So, I should make an option just for you and your particular situation :lol:

    "I no longer use Kevlar because I found a poly that is cheaper"

    Next time :roll:

    TDK, it's not all about you. I was curious after reading your thread just how many people still use Kevlar and why or why not. I think the poll options are pretty neutral. I was looking for approximate numbers.

    If you were a stringer, you'd know poly stretches. It can vary from a little bit to alot. Stop being so paranoid and listen to what people are saying.
     
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  19. BreakPoint

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    Every poly I've ever strung did not stretch at all on my drop weight stringer. I'd drop the weight and it wouldn't even budge a single centimeter. The weight would just sit there in an almost vertical position. Compare that to multis or syn guts where they would stretch so much that the weight would drop to the horizontal position or even past the horizontal position so that I would have to rachet the weight once or even twice.
     
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    So, let me get this straight. When you let the weight drop, it falls and immediately stops moving (like Kevlar)? No lifting the bar? If I'm hearing you correctly, you're the first person (beside TDK) I've heard state poly has zero stretch.

    What tension are you stringing it at? If you string a 1st gen poly at 40# or less, IME it stretches little - but still stretches.

    I've strung some polys, like Iso Baseline Spin (the smallest diameter) - that stretch so much the DW bar has to be readjusted 3-4 times. This is at about 50# of tension.
     
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  21. o0lunatik

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    I've gone through a half reel of kevlar plus and prefer the regular 17g better. The plus version is more comfortable and more muted which is most likely from the Teflon braid. Durability is a tad but better than regular 17g but the regular version is more crisp and better feel. But when you hybrid the plus version with a soft poly like pro line 2, your string bed feels very plush and mentally feels like you're playing with a very soft poly string bed. But hey, everyone has their own prefer when it comes down to string characteristics.
     
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  22. Backhanded Compliment

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    I have kevlar in my right knee... braided with my own tendon. It works and I can still play tennis.
     
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  23. EP1998

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    I used it in the mains before luxilon came out, forten kevlar and wilson synthetic gut. I never had problems, but I was also younger. I started using luxilon when it hit the market and never thought about going back to kevlar after that.
     
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  24. Shroud

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    My experience is that every string stretches. Even Kevlar and Poly stretch, just less than most strings.
     
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    Breakpoint was being contrarian, as usual :lol:
     
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    Not on my drop weight stringer. The drop weight doesn't even budge a single millimeter when I string poly. That's means the poly string didn't stretch at all. That's why I'm not surprised that poly kills my arm. :(
     
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    I raise the drop weight to around 60 degrees from horizontal, like I do when I string any type of string. But when I let go, the drop weight does not move whatsoever. It stays exactly at the 60 degree angle that I raised it to. It doesn't fall and then stop because it doesn't start falling at all. The poly doesn't stretch whatsoever. With other types of strings (e.g., multis, syn guts, etc.), when I let go of the drop weight, it will fall from its initial 60 degrees to at least 0 degrees (horizontal). If it's a very resilient string, it will fall past horizontal (negative degrees) so that I have to rachet the weight once or maybe twice. This has been my experience stringing at least 10 different polys. The tension doesn't seem to matter, but I usually string in the mid-40's to mid-50's.
     
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  28. Hi I'm Ray

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    I tried kevlar but it didn't put anything special on the ball so I stopped using it - I didn't fall under any of the voting choices.

    lol. Poly does stretch.

    And I'm starting to think that BP has never strung poly because the drop weight bar definitely does move, sometimes quite a bit and for a lot longer than most ppl think. Stick a bubble level on the tensioning arm, tension a somewhat firm string like TB or Proline X at 50lbs and time it until the bubble stops moving for 10secs - those who haven't tried it will probably be surprised to see how long it continues to slowly stretch.
     
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  29. The Dark Knight

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    Poly > Kevlar for one match

    Kevlar > poly After one match


    Whatever I don't care if it stretches or not.....

    The bottom line is that poly feels like crap after just one match.

    It's not meant to be played longer than that and never was. So if your not cutting your strings out after a match then you are playing with crappy unpredictable poly strings.

    Kevlar on the other hand produce almost as much spin but is fresh as daisy week after week after week.

    The reason to use Kevlar is not because it produces more spin than poly....it's because it produces almost as much spin and after a while much more spin than poly which loses tension after just a match.

    Poly is not meant for the club player....if your a pro and cutting strings put after a set or two.....absolutely go with poly.....otherwise it's a waste.
     
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  30. Hi I'm Ray

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    Haha. I just avoid the polys that die quickly and use better poly.
     
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  31. Tennis Fanatic 070

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    Exactly, there are enough poly's which will last longer.


    It's so funny to see that litterally all posts from TDK are based on complete ignorance. Two examples in this thread: Poly doesn't stretch and all poly's die after one match, ROFLMAO.......
     
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  32. Tennis Fanatic 070

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    Lol that's impossible, can u please name the poly's you've strung?
     
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  33. The Dark Knight

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    I guess if you consider 5 hours long then yeah it lasts long.

    Look do really care if you listen to me on this? No I don't . I was doing you a favor .

    If you think poly plays well for a long time .....enjoy!!!

    I found something that really works for me.

    In a perfect world I would use poly and use a fresh string job for every set like the pros do.

    Unfortunately that's not going to happen as I'm not playing Wimbledon very soon .

    So in Kevlar I found a string that gives almost as much spin as poly but lasts and last and lasts. After 5 hours of play Kevlar will give you more spin that poly ever would.

    As far as elbow issues .....I'm fun with the gut mix and the tension differential . Some people may not be.......but don't forget that poly is not good for tennis elbow either .....not even close to being good for tennis elbow .

    It just comes down to what a club player actually players actually need.

    Club players are using poly because the pros do.....but they are not using it how the pros use it . Instead club players are using crappy old full lifeless strings.

    This by the way is not my idea and I've cited numerous authorities who say the exact same thing .

    But go ahead do as you please .....you are only cheating yourself and other people who want to play better.

    Really it's no skin off my back. I tried to help. Your welcome.
     
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    Ok. You are not saying they dont stretch, just that they dont stretch on your machine.

    I prestretch all my strings these days manually and with the stringer. YOu can feel the string stretching under weight, but it is harder to discern the stretching in kevlar or poly because they dont strech too much. But stretch they do!
     
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  35. Rabbit

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    Kevlar makes poly feel like 18 gauge uncoated natural gut.
     
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    Hey Rabbit...

    You know I respect you a lot from the Wilson 99s threads. You seriously know your stuff.

    So I'm going to ask you for an honest answer.....after playing two or three matches how does poly feel to you?

    I think it's absolutely terrible. You can't rely on it after a few hours.....it plays differently every week.....loses tension and is just absolutely the worst in my opinion after a short time.

    Dont get me wong.....I LOVE poly.....and nothing is better for one match.....it's after that where is starts to suck beyond belief.

    A full bed of Kevlar is insane ......but people don't follow the instructions on the packaging when stringing,,,,....which is that you should hybrid it and the cross strings should be 10 pounds tighter than the Kevlar mains.

    I also find that string with a gut hybrid instead of noon like everyone else does makes a WORLD of difference.
     
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    All poly becomes crap in a short time..some quicker than others but they all become crap very quickly.

    Look this is not my idea....it's all over the net.....master stringers say the same.

    Poly is meant for the pros for one match ..often one set and that's it!!

    It's a great string does everything well......but it's just unbelievable crap after a week or two....usually less.

    A Kevlar hybrid with gut with a 10 pound differential ( this is key) feels great and lasts and lasts and lasts.
     
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    Personally, it all depends on the poly.

    I could play BHB7 until it broke. The problem was, it broke in 3/4 sets.

    Luxilon 4G played great, but only after it had been in for a while. Brand new, it was fairly harsh feeling. Now it was playable until it broke and it did last. After it broke in, harsh went to plush. The BIG downside is it is expensive, and being half Scot, I just didn't see paying that much for it when there were cheaper alternatives out there!

    My current string, Prince Tournament Poly with Prince Synthetic Gut crosses, lasts about two weeks. Then it should probably be cut out. The great news is that it's super cheap, a newly strung set feels like heaven (even at 58
    lbs ), it feels great around net, and it pockets like crazy. It's definitely not harsh.

    So, unfortunately there is no right answer. Poly strings have become much, much more diversified over the last 5 or so years. Where once they all felt like crap but provided unbelievable control, now some actually feel pretty good and retain the "good" characteristics. A former D1 player I string for loves (any) Luxilon in the mains + synthetic gut in the crosses. Now that I've tried it, there may be something to that combination. :)

    There is one constant for me though: NO kevlar has ever been arm friendly.
     
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    Rabbit

    Look at what your saying.....even the strings you mention by your own judgement dont work.

    One is to harsh when it's first put in and , the other breaks , the other tension drops....etc etc. It's just not constant or reliable for any significant period of time.

    Again I love poly when I first put it in ....NO QUESTION !!!

    But it's the maintenance over time that's my issue .

    With Kevlar you get almost the same amount of spin as a fresh set of poly but the maintenance is unbelievable....second only to gut.

    Kevlar does not break and it stays fresh.

    I think the bad rep kevlar has gotten is due to the fact that most people strung it incorrect .

    Have you ever tried doing the mains in kevlar at a low tension with gut or a multi ( not nylon....aka synthetic gut )? Also have you strung the kevlar mains 10 pounds lower than the crosses as the packaging suggests?

    If you have not tried it then I implore you to try it once . This set up has gotten great reviews not only in performance but comfort .

    I make no claims about elbow pain. .....but it doesn't bother me personally at all.
     
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  40. Sander001

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    WHOOSH.
    You just completely and utterly missed what he said. Again.
     
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    No, they work fine. I probably wasn't clear. I don't have a problem with poly dying or whatever after one set, or one match, or too soon.

    I can and do use poly either straight up or in a hybrid. I like it very much and like the results even better.

    OK, let's not take my comments as absolutes. My criticisms of the strings was not intended as a damnation of the product. I was merely pointing out downsides. The strings I mentioned are all VASTLY preferable to kevlar, IME and IMO.

    Maybe I should have phrased it like this: in comparison to PTP/PSG which I use now, 4G is harsh, and BT7 breaks too quickly. However, again, they are all preferable to any kevlar string bed.

    Define "over time". Also, what is your NTRP level? And please keep in mind that the overwhelming majority of touring professionals who use poly do not cut it out after one set. There are two former ATP pros at the club I belong to. Both use poly and use it until it breaks. I point this out only because it's easy, trust me, to hear things that Federer, Nadal, Djokovic, or another top pro does that you subconsciously adopt as imperatives in your own game, true or not.

    And, unknown to the user, the damage to your arm is ongoing.

    Well, when I used kevlar, it was strung for me by more than me. And it got a bad rep from me regardless. Several friends of mine and others I've talked to who tried kevlar will never try it again. In my book, that's more than a coincidence.

    Sorry, the only use I see for kevlar at this point is bullet proof vests, not tennis strings. I think its primary use says very well how arm friendly it is. :) And, I'm very happy with PTP/PSG right now.

    I've had multiple cortisone shots in various locations in my left arm and don't ever care to have any more. Thanks, kevlar...

    For now....
     
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    dear sir dark knight,

    as kevlar does break (i went through two sets of 1.10 polyfibre kevlar in slightly less than 4 hitting hours), i would kindly ask you to revise your reporting to: "since i don't break kevlar". getting these things right you might also get to understand that what works fine for you does not have to work well for others.

    poly does lose playability but most of them, and for the past three years i have played quite a lot of them, keep going for more than one outing. my son, 14 yrs. old, is playing competitional tennis and the stringbeds last for about 10-14 hrs until they break. it is maybe in the last session that there is significant drop in control and i can assure you that there is no big difference between the stick that just broke and the fresh one in his bag he will continue to play with.

    i do completely agree that poly generally should be cut out once it gets past the 15hrs mark. some will last somewhat longer, others will have to go sooner, but for my part and MY game, i simply don't see any benefit for switching from poly to kevlar. if i would be having a "flat" game that would allow me to play (almost) forever with a set of strings, i would still go the natty gut path and keep a spare stick with high quality multi in the bag for the days when it is more humid.
     
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    That's exactly your problem, you only repeat what you see on the internet. Nothing is based on your own experience.

    Kevlar destroys my arm, so this is why I will never use it again. This applies to many people. It's also not suited for flat hitters

    second, I have played with a lot of poly's, the tecnifibre razor code is still going strong now after 12 hours in my Pure Drive GT. I probably restring it now because I want to test other strings, I've got my own stringing machine so I don't bother playing longer than that anyway.
    Both Yonex Polytour Pro and Spin give me 12 hours of excellent playability (all crossed with bablolat n.vy). After this the cross string usually snaps.

    Yesterday I've played with a full bed Luxilon BB original, still going strong now after 12 hours in my Prince Graphite 93 mid, I still couldn't miss, probably my best practice session ever.
    I'm a hard hitter with moderate topspin, a chronic string breaker. I'm a 3.0 player in Europe, I don't know how this level translates into USTA ratings, but 1.0 is the highest where I come from.

    So now maybe your understand why most people don't agree with you. So again, have fun with your kevlar/gut combi, but what works fine for you does not have to work well for others.

    People who own their own stringing machine, don't even need their strings to last very long. And believe me, many people on this forum do have their own machine, so for that reason alone it's better for you to put your propaganda elsewhere. And while you're at it, take your Nadal propaganda with you. Thanks in advance.
     
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    Not true poly does stretch some with a dropweight machine, not near as much as multis or syn. guts but it definitely stretches. Now kevlar has almost no stretch at all, when stringing it you have to put the string in the right place so the arm will level out.
     
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  45. The Dark Knight

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    First of all you don't know me .

    I have played with poly for many years and I've only now discovered kevlar.

    According to the poll "most people" will not even try it because of prejudice and don't understand how to string it. 12 people love it and 14 don't.....but how many of those 14 actually know how to string it???? . What you do see is conservative people who are resistant to any sort of change whatsoever .

    The evidence I offer is that not one of you have commented on whether you have even tried to string Kevlar correctly ......not one .

    First it should be preferably hybrid with gut or second choice multi ......definitely not nylon!!! Second and this is the KEY there should be a 10 pound differential between the tension of te crosses and the mains.

    Have you tried that? Because I have and it's actually you who base everything on the net because you have not tried it.

    My experience with this setup is validated by Andre Agassi himself who used this set up and many posters here at TW who loved it. I just don't want to belabor the point with quotes.....however Traveljam a well respected stringer and poster here at TW completely agrees.

    As far as elbow issues I have no comment as I am
    Not a doctor . All I can say is the way I set it up and Agassis and Traveljam and many others works for us.

    Remember Christopher Columbus said the world was round . No one believed him either until he went out and proved it. If you don't at least try the specific set up that has been put forward then you really don't have a right to comment on what it's like .

    As far as breakage.....I don't know how to answer as the vast majority of kevlar users don't break them. Maybe your tension was high.....because your supposed to string it very loose. Again you have to string it correctly otherwise your right it will not work out.

    But I don't really care .....you don't want to try it and be closed minded .....that's your choice . Enjoy your lifeless polyester strings .

    I find it really funny that people are playing with completely dead and unpredictable strings. But as they say you can only lead a horse to water .....you cannot make him drink.
     
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    But you know everybody and you know what's best for them. Uh huh.
     
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    You mention Agassi. There are a couple of things to keep in mind. Agassi did use kevlar, but he's probably not someone you want to cite as an example. First, his tension was 68 pounds. Now that was in an oversize, but still way higher than you would ever want to string. This is a perfect segue to my second point, Agassi had (has) the best timing on ground strokes of any pro that has ever picked up a racquet save for Jimmy Connors. Point is, Agassi didn't mishit, didn't have to correct his swing, didn't have hitches, well hell.....he wasn't a hacker. Agassi has perfect timing and strokes. Agassi used kevlar for one reason and one reason only: he broke everything else.

    Actually, the idea of a round world came from the ancient Greeks. And Columbus didn't set out to prove the earth was round, he set out to find a shortcut to the Orient. :)
     
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  48. The Dark Knight

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    Really? How long does poly last you? I'm not talking about breakage I'm talking about the playability. Are you saying that after say playing 3x in one week
    You poly plays the same as it did the first day it was strung?

    If that is true then why do Pros change strings after every match? If it stays the same why change?


    For one day I agree....but that's it. But the question is did you try the stringing method which was proposed?

    How do you know? Did you try kevlar the way it has been proposed ?



    I disagree ....they may not change it after one set but they do change it after a match. I know this as a fact . I actually know many pros ....I've met Nadal and Federer and I know some pros on the tour personally.

    I don't play USTA anymore . But I used to be a 5.0 I'm probably more like a 4.5 now.



    Again this may be true , I don't know ? However poly is bad for your arm as well.....very bad .



    Because everyone is stringing it wrong . They don't understand it. So until you actually try what I have stated you really have zero experience with it .
    If you first try it and say you hate it .....great! But everyone who has tried this method has loved it.

    Would it make you feel better if I put forward those quotes?



    Well then you should stay away from poly as well as it's terrible for your arm.....especially the dead poly you guys play with .

    But again I make no statement as to health .....but poly is horrible for the arm as well.

    I really think if you were to open up your mind and just try the set up as outplayed just once you will have a different opinion .

    Again it's :

    1- string mains and crosses 10 pounds apart ( not my idea but it says to do this on the ashaway package ).

    2- hybrid with gut gut gut gut!

    3- string the kevlar at a low tension.
     
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    do what ya like.
     
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  50. The Dark Knight

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    Whatever ....Galileo said the earth revolved around the sun.....the church still
    Doesn't believe him.

    Believe me ....kevlar is the most misunderstood string ever made ....not my words but traveljams.

    If you string it correctly it will work.....

    Let me ask you a question .....if you strung up a full bed of poly at 75 pounds In 15 guage.....how would your arm feel?

    Please just try and not put up a wall.....it's not like this is my idea . It works ....and if it makes you feel any better my offer is still
    Open.....I will show you quotes from people who have tried this particular set up and loved it.

    Until you try it Rabbit you just don't know . You have been playing with it the wrong way.
     
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