Kiefer's paint job

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  1. barry

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    Kiefer is playing with a Wilson Surge painted to look like a Wilson Ncode. Why is Wilson pushing the Ncode so hard?
     
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  2. PureCarlosMoyaDrive

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    It's a 6.1 classic painted to look like the Ncode. It was never a surge, just like the Bryan brothers never used the surge.
     
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  3. El Diablo

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    It always amazes me how people on this board with no special knowledge (you can't both be right, can you?) write with such a sense of authority. Is only one of you a fool, or is it both of you?
     
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  4. Swan Song

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    What PCMD said about Kiefer is right.
     
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  5. esquimaux

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    Actually, he's playing with a POG :lol:
     
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    Because they want to promote their hot new racquet, just like last summer when everyone had H Series paint jobs and no one was using one of those either. I asked Nic last summer in LA if his was a paint job and he said yes, but I have absolutely no memory of what he said he was really using.
     
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    ..and..........what diff does all of this make??? if he's using the surge under the ncode paint job it is modified anyway almost for sure..ditto for if he is using the 6.1. i dont understand the fascination w. what pros are 'actually' using...it's not like the posters are going to be able to use exactly what they use very well anyway.ed
     
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  10. PureCarlosMoyaDrive

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    Just to be even more specific, I'm quite sure it's a European 6.1 classic with the 18x20 pattern, and a stretch too. My tennis coach has one
     
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  11. Kick Serve

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    I know he played with the Wilson Hyper ProStaff 5.0 Stretch customized with a 18x20 pattern for the longest time. Looks like it could be a paintjob of that as well. Who knows?
     
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    I think it is not the Surge. Doesn't Surge have 16x19 string pattern? Just count the strings on the frame on the second picture. It is 18x20.
     
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  13. El Diablo

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    You admonish "what do I know," as you use a Surge and would presumably know one in the dark. Well, it seems your assertion is doubted by others besides me. My point is merely that the web is full of people claiming to know things they really don't and it's a shame. I don't know what Keifer is playing and neither do you. You would serve us all better by saying it LOOKS like your Surge but in fact you don't know if that's what it actually is
     
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    I think drummerboy is correct, it seems to have 18 mains and 20 crosses. Sounds like a old 5.0 or 5.1.

    I think Wilson should forget the paint jobs, and lets see what is really being played with. Might be old technology (5 year old stuff).
     
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  15. PureCarlosMoyaDrive

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    Guys, I will tell you this. I was a ballkid for Kiefer in doubles, and when he would sit down, I had to stand in front of him to serve him and I could see his racquets in his bag and on the bench up close. They are not 5.0's. My brothers friend has those, and they are too rounded to be his. They looked exactly like a classic 6.1, the european version that my coach has. All I'm going to say. And yes the euro version is 18x20 and stretched.
     
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    I guess barry must not work in marketing (or maybe he's just really young?).

    Wilson is promoting the nCode for the same reason Acura is promoting the RSX , which customers can currently buy from Acura, and not the Integra, which has been out of production for years.

    Wilson is in business to sell you tennis racquets which you can buy in the store today, not an old model which they no longer make, and therefore, cannot sell to you. How else would they make money?
     
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    My complaint is with the falsifying of products. We all know Wilson is in the business of selling sports equipment, but we, as consumers deserve to know what we are buying. Painting a product because a pro uses it does not make sense. If the frame is not retired, why go to all that trouble? I think the new products are not up to the player’s standards, so they are selecting the older models, which does not speak well for the new frames.

    Case in point is the Wilson Tour 90, which this time last year was going for $180 or so. Wilson sold a ton of those, you can buy one now for under $90. 1 year later Wilson discontinues the product. Was it defective? I do not know, but would be a little upset if I paid that much for a racket which was now obsolete. Will Wilson offer a free replacement for it?

    The normal product cycle is about 2 years, then something new. This go around it is 1 year and dropping.
     
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  18. BreakPoint

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    Racquets that are discontinued are certainly NOT defective nor are they obsolete. There is nothing wrong with the racquet. In fact, in many cases, it's better than the new model that it's being replaced with. There's a good reason why many players still use the PS 6.0, POG, and Prestige Classic, even though they've been out for more than 20 years. It's because these old racquets are still better than all the new ones these racquet companies have been trying to replace them with over the past 20 years!

    In fact, when a certain racquet is discontinued, there are usually devotees of that racquet that will buy up as many of them as possible before they're all gone because they know that racquet will be better than the new ones coming out.

    To use another car analogy. I bought my car at the end of the last model year that it was still going to have the old body style because the new model was ugly IMHO. So even though as soon as I bought it, it was going to look like I was driving around in a 5 year old car because the new model had already hit the streets, I'd still much rather be driving around in my car then the new one. There's certainly nothing wrong with the car, even though it's not the "latest" and arguably, "the greatest".
     
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    Oh, I should also mention that since, as you said, Wilson sold a ton of the Tour 90s, that's more reason why they want to discontinue it. If they don't come out with something new, all those people that have already bought Tour 90s have no need to buy any more (unless they break them of course). So Wilson comes out with something new so that all these Tour 90 users will be tempted to spend more money and buy the new model. Wilson makes more money again since they increase their revenue. If they waited around for people to break their existing Wilson racquets before they bought a replacement, Wilson (and other racquet companies) would go out of business!

    What Wilson doesn't want is a huge base of users that won't switch and will keep using racquets that they bought years ago. That's why Wilson has been trying to get people to switch from the PS 6.0 for years (including Pete!). :shock:
     
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  20. Aoya

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    Babolat must be getting a kick reading this.
     
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    Change creates interest....more change creates more interest....more interest creates more sales, whether it's racquets, cars or breakfast cereal. Is this worth so much obsessing? Smart consumers will probably be happy with what they have, but since many consumers are not so smart and are concerned with style, sales result. The flurry of interest on this board with every new racquet introduction demonstrates that being well informed doesn't immunize you entirely against social pressure. Who can blame the manufacturers for taking advantage of all of this?
     
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  22. Datacipher

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    PCMD, I have never studied Kiefer's racquet...nor do I really care. But I think you are correct, it looks just like the old 6.1 stretch and it doesn't like a surge at all!
     
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  23. kreative

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    yep, it does look like a psc 6.1 stretch w/ 18x20 pattern. PCMD, those were available in the US, not just Europe.
     
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  24. brian.sat

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    Eventhough it is a PSC 6.1 strech, it will be quite different from stock model on weight and balance department. So, every players' racquet is a paintjob only. You will never get it.
     
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