King /Navratilova volleys

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  1. BTURNER

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    One commentator when asked to compare King's volley to Martina's said she preferred King's because it had more variety. "She could do more things with it but Martina's volley had more power. " I have not seen that much of King and almost none on a surface other than grass. What volleys did she hit that Martina did not? i know King was about as clever a tactician as there was as to where to put a series of volleys but did she have more variety. I saw lots of underspin and great selection. Martina did not need a series. The power of the approach and first made the rest superfluous. Seemed to me she had every drop and angle King did though.
     
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    BJK was tiny compared to Martina, so had to use drop touch angle in addition to depth with slice volleys.
    Martina is as big as most males, so could employ more power from the beginning of her career. Later in her career, she learned to drop, angle, and touch some great volleys, but by then, BJK had quit the tour. So you can't compare, they came up in different times.
     
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    Various heights King 5'4 1/2, Court 5'9, Goolagong 5'6, , Seles 5'10, Graf 5'9, Mandlikova 5'8, Novatna 5'9, Navratilova 5'8, Evert 5'6 1/2, Austin 5'5. Evert and Martina wore the same dress size!
     
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    I think we should take stats with a grain of salt.....
    Wilson lists Serena at 130 lbs. 5 more than Henin....
    BJK is slightly taller than a 5' tall Rosie.
    As for dress sizes, don't we watch TV? These huge behemoths who went from 190 lbs. down to 140lbs say they now wear a size 2.
    Dress size doesn't account for length of legs.
     
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    I think King's backhand volley was a bit more solid than Martina's. There really wasn't much difference and we are talking about two of the greatest volleyers in tennis history here.
     
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    King never hit a 'lazy' volley and expected her strong wrist and arm to correct. but her volleys seemed so tailor-made for grass while Martina's were so effective on clay on which she grew up learning them.
     
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    Yes, not only that but two of the greatest volleyers who spent many many many hours practicing together, coaching each other etc. It's funny because back then, the two would do drills (besides doing groundstroke drills) that might considered somewhat uncharacteristic of women...SV drills, net rushing drills, volley to volley drills.....but NOW, it's uncharacteristic of the men also!
     
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    Drills, some of the coaches today don't even seem to teach volleying anymore, especially on the womens side. I am not saying I want to see a complete return to S&V tennis, but it would be nice to see more players both male and female who have true all court ability. There are men out there that have it, but not as many as could it they actually worked on it. The women, well it seems only one in 10 have good volley ability anymore. King and Nav should put themselves out there as volley coaches, or coaches in general, because they could make quite a bit of difference expecially in the womens side of the game in terms of overall game among players.
     
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    Heh, when a woman can go out at FIFTY years old and hold her own against 20 yr olds on tour, even if it's doubles, you bet they can learn something from her.
     
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    It seems silly but they also need to learn how and when to get to the net.
     
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    Agreed. No matter what people say and they do say that you can't serve and volley today (incidentally that comment remains to be seen in my opinion) because of the great returns, players can still win a higher percentage of points if you learn to volley and approach the net correctly. Oh yes, when to volley also. I've seen a lot of floaters that are dying to be volleyed away by both the men and women and they seem to let it float all the way to the baseline when the player starts all over again with a heavy topspin drive.
     
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    Considering Mauresmo is now retired she cannot really be used as an example of volley approach technique on the current tour, and after 2007 Amelies game dropped drastically and after her appendectomy her approaches and net game were not what they used to be anymore.

    Most of the girls todays don't do it well. Justine is an example of someone who can approach well sometimes, as is Kim, Venus on Grass, Kuzzy can but its not consistent whatsoever. But really, When you need to nearly get a headache trying to think of any women who can approach the net well somewhat consistently its sad. Serena can do it well sometimes but her footwork getting to net isn't the best. Many of the girls today rush the net at the worst times and/or get lured up there with dropshots that they have no clue how to counter. Mauresmo would be another one that would make a nice net tech coach, she at her best knew how to do it.
     
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    As unnatural as Evert was at net compared to a Mandlikova, Sukova and Shriver , she knew when and how to approach much better than anyone in the top ten now. she understood where to put the volley and how to follow it up. Its not to her credit really they all knew those basics as just part of playing. In those days a swing volley was a rarity, hit once or twice in a tournament by anyone.
     
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    In that sense she was not unlike Connors. Connors volley was actually I feel, underrated, as he sometimes hit some really tough ones, but, more importantly, he often didn't have to, as he set himself up for easy ones. When he got them, he was confident enough to put them away...not like an Agassi, who could easily blow the easiest possible volley, even though in practice he wouldn't have missed it in a million years.
     
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    The problem with Evert's volley: She got more cautious after the first one, which, if it lacked sting got her in trouble. She was best off to hit drop and angle volleys because she lacked the courage to hit the volley with pace and close to the sidelines. Good news was she set it up so carefully it rarely mattered thet the volley be all that deep or that accurate. Connors went for broke on that first volley!
     
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    Volleys

    And in large part, because Connors hit exceptional approach shots to set up the volley opportunity...his volley was a blessedly simple punch....Andre's approaches were never that good to start with and then he'd flub the volley by swinging at it...

    and, yes, Chrisse had a simple, clean volley; she too knew when to get to the net, even if it was not her preferred play
     
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    very true!
     
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