Kirschbaum Pro Line II - The Best Poly?

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  1. righty

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    It is one of the best soft polyester strings. MSV Hex plays just as soft, but probably provides better spin.

    Neither are particularly crisp, and for that I prefer the Unique poly.
     
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  2. David123

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    Did you string full proline 2? or if not without what hybrid? i have a 1 set of strings of proline II 17g and i am trying to figure out whether to put it as full bed or hybrid it with another string.
     
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  3. PED

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    I used full PL2 17g and it's a great soft string-very arm friendly.
     
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  4. dadozen

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    As posted before, PLII 1.15 was my poly of choice. Has tried many strings( MSV Focus Hex, SPPP SPPP Pure, BAM, BA 1.22, and others ) and none have compared to PLII in terms of softness, comfort, power, control and mailny feel.

    Decided to try some WeissCannon strings, such as Turbo Twist, Silverstring and Scorpion.

    Turbo Twist played good, but not as good as PLII. Spin was better, but I'm more of a flat hitter.

    But the Scorpion is great. It's as good as PLII or even better in some aspects, and holds tension much better, which was my only complaint about PLII.

    Now I'm switching to Scorpion. Jsut waiting for my reel to come, will use it on my 4D300Tours and AG100s.
     
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  5. kingdaddy41788

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    It is perfect. (Not really, but it's perfect for me.)

    I've had a Pro Line II 1.25 X Pacific Tough Gut 17 in my prestiges for about two months - it's maybe 3-5 pounds looser than when i strung it, and you can feel that bit of tension loss, but it still certainly doesn't feel dead. I'm not playing that often at the moment (which explains why the strings haven't broken), but yeah, the tension maintenance far surpasses any other poly I've ever used, with the exception of Kirschbaum Competition, which is a pretty similar string.
     
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  6. Joey

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    I'm still undeciced between PLII, BAM and Spin-X(red) in a 18x20 pattern racquet
     
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  7. PED

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    It's worth a try to demo all three. My preference would be 1. SpinX, 2. PL2 and a then BAM. BAM is nice but is not the same quality as the other 2. However, I like thicker strings so the fact that BAM is ultra thin enters into that.
     
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  8. Ross K

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    PED,


    You tried Polystar Energy by any chance? i've been really impressed by this soft poly.

    R.
     
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  9. PED

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    Ross, I've not tried it but have heard great things about it :) I just got a reel of Genesis SpinX so I'm set in that department for a while. I'm glad as I've been testing strings since November.

    What are you playing with these days, stickwise? I'm still the sole member of the Rad Pro users group ;)
     
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  10. Ross K

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    ^^^ PED,

    Would like to try Spin X for myself. Not sure if it is available in UK though... Re your qsn, I'm having long test period (different string set ups and even different spec frames) with the Vantage 95 - which is something I should have done with the YT Rad Pro!... though saying that, given a few of my 'issues', I might have really liked the ultra soft Poly. Energy in the RP...?


    Everyone,

    Anyone else tried both Poly. Energy and Proline 2?
    ... which do ppl prefer and why?... differences?... Just curious what others think as, re PL2, I think 'frame issues' got in the way a bit of me judging it properly.

    Cheers,

    R.
     
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  11. fgs

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    i have played the plII and enjoyed it very much. i played it as a hybrid with wilson sensation and isospeed professional in the crosses, 23/22 kg on my heavily modded nblade's 106.
    i had no problem with the spin. tension maintenanca is better with the kirschbaum competition (this being mainly the reason why i settled for a while with this one) as also a tad better in the control department. all in all, the pro line II is a very good string, worth every cent in my opinion.
    i'm soon getting some helix demos, but for the time being i haven't found a string that suits me better than the competition 1.20 / iso professionall 1.20 hybrid.
     
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  12. David123

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    me too ive tried pL II and fell in love, looking forward to trying the 1.20 gauge as i tried the one with 1.25
     
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  13. ricardo

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    Technifibre Promix maybe better (softness\tension loss)

    According to this link (http://www.racquetsportsindustry.com/articles/2010/01/string_selector_2010.html), Tecnifibre Promix 17 (1.25) has 199/13 (stiffness/tension loss) while Kirschbaum Pro Line No.2 1.15 has 224/19.
     
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  14. Fedace

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    I think Babolat RPM blast just may beat this string...
     
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  15. ClubHoUno

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    You think......have you tested RPM Blast yet ?

    I have 2 sets of RPM Blast 1.25 coming tomorrow. Will test the first set RPM Blast 1.25 in one of my BLX 6.1 and in one of my Pure Storm Tour GT racquets with RPM Blast 1.25 mains and VS 17 crosses.....and the other set of RPM Blast 1.25 set in the mains and X-One 1.24 in the crosses and see how well this stuff plays.

    If it's any good, I'll buy a 660 feet/200 meter reel of it and be happy. If it's cr#ap, well then I'll be happy I only bought 2 sets of it.....HA....HA....HA :D

    Thanks,
    ClubHoUno
     
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  16. David123

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    haha good luck trying it. Even if it is a bit beter ill stick to the proline 2 way cheaper, and better for the value.
     
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  17. coyfish

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    This is a good string but I prefer Unique Big hitter. Its just so soft and retains all the control and spin I need.
     
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  18. David123

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    How much is a set of big hiter?
     
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  19. coyfish

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    Its very cheap. 6.95 I think. TW sells it. Its a string every poly user needs to try.
     
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  20. TennezSport

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    Well..........

    While I do not know what the final numbers will be yet from the USRSA, I can tell you that RPM Blast loses tension really fast. Don't know if it will be worth it in the long run; we will find out though.

    Cheers, TennezSport :cool:
     
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  21. David123

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    hmm thats fairly cheap. Ill give it a try next time i order something from TW. Planning on ordering the ballistic Air 2.3 orange and white wenever they get the size 10 in stock lol.
     
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  22. Consigliere73

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    PL2 is a lovely poly.
     
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  23. Skabeast121

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    I really regret buying this string. This thing gets not spin what so ever and was way to high powered. It was soft and mushy, more so than cyber blue what i am using currently. It is pretty much a worse version of tecnifibre pro code red imo.
     
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  24. fgs

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    skabeast 121,
    there are only two similarities between tf pro red code and kb pro line II: first they are mainly used for playing tennis and second they are red. they do really play quite a lot different.
     
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  25. Skabeast121

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    Idk to me they are similar. Both are high powered, and don't provide that great of bite. The difference between them is how they feel, pro code red is stiff where as pro line II is softer.
     
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  26. fgs

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    skabeast121,
    seems like we have a slightly different understanding of the term of "power" (i'm not a native speaker!). if the red code is a high powered string in your perception, may i ask then what would be a low powered one?
    i completely agree that one is stiff and the other one is much softer.
     
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  27. decades

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    red code is low powered and stiff. my understanding is PL2 is higher powered and soft....
     
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  28. David123

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    yeah redcode is pretty low powered lol.
     
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  29. bad_call

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    share this experience.
     
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  30. David123

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    I've actaully played with redcode mainsand NRG2 crosses worked out pretty well.
     
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  31. fgs

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    if try to translate my playing impressions with these two strings - tecnifibre pro red code and kirschbaum pro line II - on a scale from 1 (very bad) to 10 (very good), i'd say:
    power: tf 7 / kb 9
    control: tf 8 / kb 7
    feel: tf 7 / kb 8
    tension maintenance: tf 7 / kb 6
    spin: tf 8 / kb 8
    comfort: tf 7 / kb 8
    durability: tf 8 / kb 7
    in both cases i played the 1.25mm diameter (i think that's gauge 17 in the us), strung up at 23/22 kg in my heavily modded 106 nblades. i'm considering myself still an agressive baseliner hitting lots of topspin after 40 years of tennis.:)
     
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  32. decades

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    what do you rate higher than these two for tension maint? thanks
     
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  33. fgs

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    kirschbaum competition 1.20 and luxilon adrenaline 1.20 would get a rating of 9 in my assesment. there is one very important thing to point out though - strings usually last between 6 to 8 hours in my frames with my style of play. so, tension maintenance from my perspective is for some 6-8 hitting hours which usually are completed in 10-14 days. somebody who hits much less spin and hence wears through a set of strings in 20+ hours over 1 month or more, might evaluate tension maintenance completely different than me.
    i once had a string which played perfectly for the first 2.5-3 hours and then went dead - i started to overhit heavily in order to get those balls over the net and had some hard time with my shoulders afterwards. so, i'd rate tension maintenance with that string probably as low as 3. on the other hand, a player who'd go through that string within the "lifespan" of 3 hours would not experience that severe tension drop and would most probably rate it at 9 or even 10.
    i'm currently having in one of my sticks the msv evo 1.25 which holds tension so far very very good, but it plays very bad - no power, no control, no feel, a waste of time in my opinion.
     
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  34. David123

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    very nice review fgs thanks.
     
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  35. GameSetMatch

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    Pro Line II 1.20 is the poly I keep on going back to because it has such an even combination of performance characteristcs across all areas - the only real downside being mediocre tension maintenance. Not quite as comfortable as BlackCode though, even if it does perform better in other areas.
     
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  36. folsfolsfols

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    i played with the scorpion and it is certainly not the softest poly out there. it plays rather stiff. not sure why you would compare it to the PLII which you consider to be softer and more comfortable than Hex, BA etc etc
     
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  37. folsfolsfols

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    there seem to be some weird exceptions. this rating system is definitely not perfect. the signum pro poly deluxe (1.22) has a rating of 220. everyone who has played with it will tell you that it plays much much softer than other polys out there (even the ones with 190 -218 rating)
    the babolat pro hurricae 18 has a rating of 187 and plays rather stiff. there is no way it plays softer than the deluxe.
     
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  38. folsfolsfols

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    although i could have strung it lower but didnt give it a second chance. the scorpion wasnt stiff compared to other polys but still not that soft or responsive compared to some soft polys out there
     
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  39. dadozen

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    Scorpion is a bit stiffer than PLII 1.15( which is the most comfortable and had the best feel out of all polys I've played with ) but it comes very close, IMO. It's also lower powered when compared to PLII, but has much better control and tension stability.

    I've played MSV Hex and found it to be very stiff, same as BA.
     
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  40. bad_call

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    seeing how my string experiences are similar, need to try Scorpion 1.22...thanks. :)
     
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  41. dadozen

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    You'll probably like it. It's a very nice all around string, I only wish they still made it in 1.18 gauge. I'm actually looking for a string with the same performance, but with a tad more feel.

    I playtested Hyperion 1.18 for a short period, I'll try that again. The feel was better, but couldn't get the same control and power, and ended cutting the string too soon.
     
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  42. bfactor61

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    could anyone compare the pl2 1.25 and the 1.20???
     
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  43. dgoran

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    WOW my thought exactly. Maybe we hit with the same strength/intensity so I am curious what string did you find that it lasted you (not going dead) the longest.
    I too have a problem that I simply KILL almost any poly if I play with the same racket for 2 hrs. Than my arm is started to kill me hahah
     
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  44. scotus

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    For me, pro hurricane 18 is definitely the most comfortable poly, but only for one hitting session.

    Then it goes dead and turns into a brick like most other polys.
     
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  45. gamesetmats

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    Could anyone describe how the Pro Line II compares to Babolat Pro Hurricane Tour?
     
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  46. PED

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    Pl2 is softer, holds tension MUCH better and has better power. PHT might have slightly better spin but that's more down to techinque.

    I prefer the 1.25mm PL2.
     
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  47. parasailing

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    How does PL 2 compare to other strings such as Polyfibre TCS, Polystar Energy, or Tourna Big Hitter Blue?

    I am still deciding whether to get this string to compare against TCS or Energy. Energy is a comfortable and powerful poly that also has feel and good spin production. TCS offers great spin, power, decent tension maintenance but is a bit harsher than Energy.

    I still haven't had a chance to try Tourna Big Hitter Blue yet.
     
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  48. Bear2014

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    I had a great experience with PL 2 in my old Babolat Aero cortex, found it to have more bite and pop that PHT(which was the string I used prior to switching)I used the same hybrid as I did with PHT also and I still find it to be a great string. I am also about to try TF BC and maybe BHBR but idk which to try first
     
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  49. Bear2014

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    PL2.......My favorite poly to use in hybrid with any syngut, I have always had plenty of spin power and control when using this combo, though I will say in a ful bed there are better polys. personally SPPP is my favorite full bed, but doesnt come close to the hybrid set up
     
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  50. pistolero

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    from my experience, scorprion would be my choice -- more feel, more spin, more comfort. pl2 is a very good string with possibly more power, but during a match it has not performed to the same level.
     

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