KLIP legend 18g....

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  1. bagung

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    tried the legend 18 in main, with iso-speed pro at 56/60lbs.
    it plays stiffer and low powered than the legend 17g in main with the same hybrid and same tensions...
    is it due to 18g ....?
    is it normal...?
    it even plays stiffer than armourpro 16g/iso hybrid at 54/60 lbs, and armourpro suppose to be stiffer gut than the legend....
     
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  2. NoBadMojo

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    perfectly normal for the 18g legend. tons of bite/spin/pocketing..very crisp, and lower powered.
     
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  3. BMG

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    I am not a huge string breaker so I am really looking to give this one a try. Do you think that it is too powerful with a full string job? I am aiming to try a BB11 with either a full gut or gut/multi setup. I just tried some poly's and a poly hybrid on a Prestige and now that the humidity is gone some Legend might be just what the doc ordered:D
     
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    I used the full Legend 18 set up in a Radical MP at high tension for five years and liked it a lot (it was not too powerful). But when I switched to the PT 280 and lowered the tension the ball was flying. Rather than crank up the tension I switched to the Mojo hybrid (gut mains, ISO-Speed crosses) and love it (just enough power, tons of spin). So whether all gut is too powerful for you will depend on how tight you string it. Why not try both full gut and the hybrid set up?
     
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    on my next string job, i will string the legend 18 at 54lbs , and iso cross at 60 lbs...
     
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  6. BMG

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    Yeah, good idea. I can get a couple of demos for this weekend from the local rep. Rather than use the supplied string jobs I think I will get them strung up per your recommendation. He already has Legend strings. I'll post a comparison (if anyone actually cares...;) ). Thanks
     
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    please do....
     
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  8. andyluong2001

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    Do you think the Legend 18g would work well with BB Alu Rough in mains and it in crosses? I currently use BB Alu Rough in Mains and VS team in cross but need more spin.
     
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    have tried vs team 17g and legend 18g on the main of MOJO's hybrid. and found 18g gives better in spin... durability wise.....?
    not sure in durability, as i am still playing my 18g , so far 6 hrs, still going strong..
    VS team, i am getting 12-14 hrs of play...
     
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  10. scotus

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    I have tried the Mojo hybrid with both 17 g and 18 g Legend.

    To me 18 g was much softer and more responsive. I love the extra spin it produces, too.

    Make sure you don't pre-stretch it, though.

    The superior durability, of course, belongs to the 17 g, but the 18 g is pretty good, too. In fact, the 17 g lasts me longer than I would like.
     
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  11. samster

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    Klip guts gotta be one of the most durable available.
     
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    Interesting thing is if you look at the actual gauge measurement, it should be labeled 17 and not 18. My experience with Klip "18", 17 and 16 have all been poor in comparison to Babolat VS and Pacific Tough, Classic, and Prime.
     
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    on this hybrid with legend 18g on main, which one breaks first? the legend 18 main or the iso-speed pro in cross..........?
     
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    Legend got beat up first, but neither of them was broken before I replaced them. Lasted for 2 months playing 2X a week. Good enough for me, especially in light of the fact that PSGD lasts me 2 weeks playing like this.
    By the way, I am not much of a string breaker, since I spend most of my time at the net.
     
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    I have Legend 18 (full) in one of my frames and like it a lot. I think I'd love it if I strung it at around 57 (instead of 60). I have a couple of packs of Legend 17 that I am anxious to compare it to, but I don't have the heart to cut out my Armor Pro yet. FWIW, the Armor Pro with 3 and 5 months on them respectively look better than the Legend with 1 month on it.
     
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    no doubt about it, armourpro is the better in durability and for value...
    since i always prefer to hybrid the gut with iso in cross, and iso always break first; therefore looking for the cheaper gut alternatives....
    so far had try almost all different guts, and have settle between the legend 17g, 18g and armourpro.
     
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    bagung- I am in exactly the same spot. I've tried Wilson, VS, Pacific, Gamma and Klip is my "IT".
     
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  18. scotus

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    Hey guys,

    I have a brand-new pack of Legend 17 g that I would like to trade for Legend 18 g (in brand-new condition). If interested, please contact me at asyluke@yahoo.com.
     
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    Klip 18g NG went flat on me, did not like it, biphase 18g is much better and 1/2 the price
     
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    How does the power of the Biphase compare to the Klip? I find the Klip 18 in my PT 280 (at 55 lb) too powerful, that's why I switched to the hybrid with ISO-Speed Pro crosses (at 61 lb). Have you tried Biphase in a hybrid?
     
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  21. AndrewD

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    Never had the slightest problem with Klip Legend 18g and consider the Biphase a very average string in comparison.
     
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  22. rasajadad

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    Personally, I never liked the break-in period on the X-1. For me, the first two hours on a freshly strung racquet should be the best.

    FWIW I just restrung so I can now compare Legend 17 and Legend 18. I'm hitting at lunch today so I'll let you know how it goes.
     
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  23. bagung

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    x-1 biphase is not one of my favorite.... just do not like it....
    multi just cannot replced the gut, and not even close
     
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    I agree with you guys saying the BiPhase is a very average string especially for the money. You certainly cant compare it to any decent gut.

    They did fix the NRG2 probs with this string (durability and tension loss) but they drained it of playability in the process I think
     
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  25. rasajadad

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    Legend 17 vs 18

    I hit 1 1/2 hours today with my Redondo mids. One strung last night with 17g at 57, the other strung 3 weeks ago with 18g at 60. Here are my preferences:
    Feel- 17 g softer, 18g crisper
    Touch at net- 17g
    Serves- 17g more power, 18g more spin
    Groundies- Better control w/ 18g
     
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  26. bagung

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    yes... i found the 18g is crisper , less power than the 17g.....
    i am planning to reduce the tensions of 18g compare to 17g....
     
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    NBMJ,
    i love the gut in main... by trying alot of different multi such as excellerator, 850 pro feel, x-1, venom, nrg2, nothing even comes close to it...
    your set up of gut/iso, is the best that i have tried...
    i am now using armourpro/iso, legend 18/iso, legend 17/iso , full armourpro on my 4 dnx-10 mid. the gut/iso hybrid is better than full gut too....
     
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  28. Pro_Tour_630

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    this thread is about my Klip 18g going dead, like I said for the 1/2 the cost I can have two Biphase (which is a TRUE 18g) play better for a longer period of time than Klip 18g (even though it is one of thinner natural guts)

    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=122356&highlight=dead

    I only had one experience with Klip 18g and it was enough, maybe it was strung tighter which is why I had this problem. Similar to Rabbit.

    If you want to spend the money on Natural gut why not just go with the best, Pacific. It is superior to Klip Natural gut.

    anyway this is another interesting Klip 18g thread

    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=99569&highlight=resilient

    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=131004
     
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  29. NoBadMojo

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    dont know that people are going to visit the threads you are dropping in, but you seem to be very much alone in your eval of bi-phase which has nothing to do with this thread. glad you think pacific is superior to klip..suggest you use the pacific....likely people wont think pacific is superior to legend based upon nobody agreeing with your assessment of biphase
     
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  30. Pro_Tour_630

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    You are still around? I though you left, oh no, you came back then left then came back, make up your mind, please do not reply or even comment on my posts, got it!
     
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    those are accurate perceptions as to how the strings play. the touch at net is of course subjective

    best that i have tried as well, and better than straight gut. the only downside (for me) is that i dont like the little bit of extra swingweight it adds..some may not even notice. other than that, people seem to really like the legend/iso setup both for playability over the entire life of the strings and durability
     
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  32. Pro_Tour_630

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    This thread is about Klip 18g and it stinks compared to all the gut I have tried. I am suggesting that if one wants to save few bucks and have a decent feeling 18g string Biphase is second to none, period for the money. If you want to go ahead and spend big bucks why not spend it on pacific 18g that is if you can get it.

    Anyway here is a chart to prove that bihapse 18g is very close to natural gut group in the universe of strings out there. As for tension loss it is the same as Klip NG if not better. As for actual play tests. Bipahse 18g felt less stiffer than Klip18g which felt like a stiff chicken wire then dead to me.

    [​IMG]
     
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  33. NoBadMojo

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    your post doesnt deserve a comment other than to say that in another thread you welcomed me back. you're all over the place. dont think people are buyin what your sellin
    it really is funny that you would instruct me not to respond to anything you post..got a chuckle out of that one.
     
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  34. Pro_Tour_630

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    Hey ed, you are here on a limited basis remember that, not by me, you said it yourself. According to YOU, If someone asks you a question then you will reply, got it!. Do not abuse your return and spare us again with another one of your crocodial tear fairwell goodbye thread which you had the moderator delet.

    The second I criticised Klip you were all over my post and could not resist. What would you do if I dared criticize Volkl or are you emotionally over that? LOL

    Update regarding criticizing volkl, you could not resist

    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=1806910&postcount=26
     
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    i'll respond to whatever posts i wish to respond to. actually what we were doing here was criticizing biPhase..everyone was save for YOU..message in there. also, you admitted you may have strung the legend18 too tightly..you like doing exhaustive searches <many of which are your very own posts>..if you would have searched on this string you may have learned something before you strung it up all wrong. people can criticize whatever they wish to criticize including Klip , Volkl, BiPhase, etc..if their criticism is off base <like yours>, they should expect to be countered.
    you counter with personal affronts..i counter with information about the products..big difference there
    your insults are really unwarranted and unecessary and way off base. i didnt have that thread deleted by the mods..i didnt even read that thread , so you are also way wrong about that too. slander and flame and lie on..it doesnt look good on you. you're ruining another otherwise useful thread..nice work there. bye now.
     
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  36. Pro_Tour_630

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    ed in that goodbye "Bye Now" thread you said you will post and answer only to people who post questions at you. What happend? you had an epipheny! We all know you, we dont blame you, you will never change, it is who you are:
     
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    instead of being obsessively fixated on me, i suggest you direct your energy elsewhere
     
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  38. Pro_Tour_630

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    same to you ed, We are your nightmare and hell on TW, you said it, not me
     
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    Why do you push your strings and racquet choice on people so much?....it is possible that somebody has a different opinion to YOU....it also seems you take every opinion as a personal attack....

    I like X-One Biphase the same as gut.....OMG I dont use klip legend mains and iso pro crosses!!...shoot me!
     
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  40. AndrewD

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    My clubmates and I were keen for Pacific to be a quality string (as it used to be in the 80's) as we have much greater access to it than BDE, Bab or Bow. Unfortunately, they didn't perform very well for any of us - certainly not to the level claimed on this message board.

    In short, Pacific lacked the overall performance of Klip. Even when taking into account individual tastes and personal biases towards one brand or another, Pacific just didn't last as long as Klip. If I knew I wasn't going to be getting longevity in a natural gut I'd be choosing Babolat or BDE (my favourite for performance), both of which I believe to be infinitely better than Pacific (and BDE is much better value).

    Regardless, one experience isn't enough to make any worthwhile comment about a string, except to say you had a bad experience. It happens, especially if you have issues in the stringing.
     
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    I don't think there is a real answer on this one because the opinions are so varied...and each opinion is equally credible. First of all, I like BiPhase 18 for a good multi string. I also like Klip Excellerator 17g. When it comes to gut strings I tested many during the past year + along with other members of my USTA team (4.5 doubles - straight string jobs and hybrids). The consensus was pretty much that VS, Pacific and BDE were in the first tier and played the best. Klip and Bow were not as well liked and a couple of us did not get as much string life out of the Klip Legend. These experiences don't mean anything other than they are my experiences, along with a few others at my club. For the money I would either go up and spend for Bab or Pacific or just go for value and string with BiPhase or Excellerator. Personally I have come to like a quality gut in the mains (VS or Pacific) and a synthetic like Gosen in the crosses. That is the best setup and a good price for me and that is what matters most..;)
     
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    There's tons of positive posts about Klip Legend. It hits the sweetspot of price/performence/value/durability. So does BDE Perf. These two strings play differently. The Legend more crisply and less powerfully and less springy. I like that because I like a crisp playing gut and like that I dont have to string as tightly for control. Others may like a softer feel, tighter tension, and a more jumpy stringbed..that calls for BDE Perf. Beyween those two strings you've got it all covered in traditional gut.

    I have found there are lots of bad stringjobs out there. The Legend isnt one of those strings you can get away with stringing too tightly nor can you get away with prestretching it too hard..that results in a not so good playing string. This is something that happens as evidenced by this thread and others...someone tries the Legend once strung improperly and declares it as crap. For example, there are many stringers who dont know what 58 pounds of tension is suppose to be like.

    The other guts strings? VS is nice. very consistent and perfect cosmetically. it's very jumpy and not very durable..and it's really expensive. some would like that. Bow Brand was a real value until a whopping price increase and a dump in quality...havent played it for a long time so dont know how the quality is these days. These are the significant players.

    Generally I would avoid the lesser quality strings from companies that offer two grades. that rules out Tonic, BDE Ralley, etc. i would also avoid gut strings made by one company and branded with another brand. gamma and wilson.
     
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  43. BMG

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    I finally got a chance to hit with Legend 18 today but in all fairness I was also testing a new stick as well (BB11 standard). I had it strung at about 57 lbs. and the string provided good bite on the ball but it was not exceptional based on my usage of other guts or even some high end multis. The power that I hoped to find with this gut, based on other gut experiences, just wasn't there...and I usually string at 60 or 61 lbs. and have enough power. I will check with the stringer re: any prestretching that he did to see if that effected the performance based on NBM's feedback. A better test of this string might be on a racquet that I am much more familiar with..the LM Prestige MP. I might give this a try to give the Legend a fair shake.
     
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    yes.. i think it is better to test it one changes at a time...
    putting legend 18 in your familiar frame is the only way to tell the diffrence....
     
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    I had really bad experience with Legend 17g prestretched (at the pro shop). It played nothing like natural gut, boardy and stiff. The only thing going for it was durability.

    These days I tell the stringer specifically not to prestretch it. Unless you know exactly how much to prestretch, it is better not to prestretch it at all. You can probably compensate for it by raising the tension by a pound or so.
     
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    YES.. I AGREE...
    it is more safe not to prestretch....
     
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    If you are looking for longevity then Pacific is not for you. If a string lasts a long time and very durable, then chances are that it is not going to perform well (poly and kevlar comes to mind) But that is just me. The reason Klip NG 18g lasts because it is not really a thin 18g it is more like a 17L mm and could not be compared to true 18g which are less than 1.20mm. Same for other NG they are thicker by .2mm than their counter parts which is why they are durable, sneaky if you ask me.

    May I ask which Pacific and if you have tried Pacific Prime?
     
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    I personally strung Klip 18g once and declared it crap only after few times TW strung it for me on a 19.99 sucker special on few rackets and the many bad reviews here on TW. So now TW stringers do not follow what 58lbs means I suppose. I guess one has to have a PHD in stringing to string Klip Gut properly, oh well.
     
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    Why is 1.20 mm (Legend 18 ) not a true 18 gauge? Babolat's 18 gauge is 1.20 mm and Pacific's 18 gauge is 1.19 mm. I am a little confused here.
     
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    Have quoted your posts above highlighting the operative words which don't match up well at all. Think that when a poster says they only had one experience with a product folks would take that to mean they only had one experience with a product, and not several experiences with a product

    Didnt hear anyone saying that TW doesnt know what 58 means.

    if when people ask for 58 and a modern high end stringing machine is used set at 58, they are most likely going to end up with a stringjob that is significantly more than what the relative tension of 58 is. Good stringers would know to maybe set their machine setting for 53 as an example knowing that their modern high end machine strings significantly tighter given the relative reference tension. lots of good strings get ruined by bad stringjobs (I'm not saying that TW doesnt know what they are doing) and good strings are then declared as crap
     
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