Klippermate starting pin?

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  1. tovli

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    In reading the Klippermate manual, it mentions starting the mains with the use of a "starting pin".

    Does this method have any advantages or disadvantages compared with the starting method of using the next string with flying clamp described in the Gamma X-2 or Progression II manual (and YouTube videos)?
     
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  2. loosegroove

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    Yeah. With the latter, your mains will be different tension because you'll be double pulling one of the mains. So one of your strings will be under-tensioned. With the starting pin, although you start with a double pull, you end up equalizing the tension when removing the pin.

    You can easily make a starting pin using some scrap string and a keychain ring.
     
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    By using a starting pin, you are continuously tensioning 1 string at a time because the starting pin allows you to anchor you floating clamp when you only have 1 string tensioned. Theoretically, this gives you the best/ most consistant (as good as you can get with floating clamps and klipper mate machine) string job.

    By using the x2, the first mains you are tension, you are tensioning 1 and 1/2 mains so you have a little less tension there than the rest of the racquet where you are tension 1 at a time.

    It is up to you to decide if this difference is enough to justify buying and using a starting pin.
     
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  4. Wikky

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    just buy a starting clamp, it will make things a lot easier and is worth the money and the hassle you will save yourself.
     
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  5. tovli

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    Metal starting pin in clamp ok?

    Using a flying clamp with diamond dust on a metal pin seems like it might shorten the life of the gripping surface, but perhaps not.

    Using a bit of string and a key chain ring makes good sense though, as I was really trying to figure out how to eliminate double pulls, or the "1-1/2 pull".

    I think it might also solve my dilemma of how to tension the bottom (first) cross in the around the world pattern my pro shop uses, but wouldn't solve the top cross because the pin would be in the hole the string needs to go into next.

    But ATW is a different topic, so I'll put that in a separate thread with a picture. (Not even sure how a starting clamp solves that double pull.)
     
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  6. max

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    You can make a starting pin. I don't see how a starting clamp could be superior to this. Consult the Kmate stringing instructions and you'll see why.
     
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  7. jgrushing

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    Agreed. The starting pin is ridiculously easy and works perfectly.
     
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    Try starting a cross where the string goes through the grommet and bends.

    EDIT: or use a start pin for a bridge, tying knots, etc...
     
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  9. jgrushing

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    Pretty sure he was just talking about standard starting situation; I know I was. Obviously, a starting clamp has uses--no argument.
     
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  10. Irvin

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    ^^I agree if you are just starting your mains a start pin is as good as a starting clamp and maybe better.
     
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    I liked the idea of a starting pin and got one from Klipper when I started stringing with my gamma x-2, but found my clamps wouldn't grip the pin without slipping. I tried using a scrap of string with a washer or something and had the same slippage problem, I don't really understand that, string is string, right?
     
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  12. tovli

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    @jswinf - I got my X-2 this week, but the starting clamp was delayed a day, so I used some spare string of the same type as I was going to string to make a "starting pin". It worked wonderfully.

    One of the reasons I started this thread was questioning the use of a clamp on a piece of metal - I was wondering about damage to the clamp, but perhaps grip/slippage is an even bigger concern.
     
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    Thanks for this. When my X-2 came a day before the starting clamp, I remembered your tip, and used some of the string I cut out from the racquet and a 10-24 machine nut with the string tied to the nut in such a way that the knot was against the racquet, not the metal. It worked great.

    (Much of the string was notched, but the center two mains looped at the throat when cut out formed a nice long piece. As it turned out I had several feet excess from the 40' set, so I could just as easily used some of the set, but I didn't know how much excess I would have as this was my first stringing for this racquet.)
     
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  14. jswinf

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    Maybe I'll try it again and tighten up the clamp so it doesn't slip--I kind of hate to fool with them once they seem to be holding OK for the rest of the stringjob. :confused:
     
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  15. KerryR

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    If I used a starting pin, I'd prefer one made from string, as mentioned above. This allows the starting pin gauge to match the string gauge, avoiding slipping, and also relives my anxiety about clamping the metal pin with my clamps...
     
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