Klippermate vs Gamma X2/Prog 200

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  1. joshthefisher

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    Ok just looking for some basic answers on the pros and cons of the 2 different brand machines.

    The klipper is the 1 that realy appeals to me because of the all metal clamps and the brakeing pin(I use Prince speedports & exo3) but the ease of the ratchet clutch on the Gamma is kind of swaying my interest.
    The biggest quwestion I have is how much harder is it to deal with feeding the string on the klipper?
    Thanks
     
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  2. cap.phillips

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    Stringing on a Klippermate is easy once you get used to feeding the string. You may have to re-adjust a couple times to get the arm level but once you have used it a couple times it gets much quicker. If you are looking at a table top Klippermate I wouldn't recommend using the braking pin on o-ports. The machine tends to move (turn) when tension is applied. You'd be better off getting the proper boomerang tool for your particular o-port racquet. Call Prince and they'll send it to you for free.
     
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  3. cap217

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    I am new here but there are LOTS of threads on this exact Q. I went with the PROG 2 (new x2) and used it for the 1st time yesterday and its easy to use for me.
     
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  4. Tennis888

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    I have a gamma x-2 and it works great! Even though the clamps are plastic they hold really well and pretty much everything about this entry line stringer is good except for one thing. That is when you are going to put tension on the second or third time, when you hold the clutch, it's pretty tough to hold on to. So I usually have another person with me to hold it. Otherwise it's a great machine!
     
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  5. tennis4

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    +1.

    I think both machines are fine for personal use.

     
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  6. darklore009

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    i have a gamma progression 200. it's a great machine. problem is that you have to frequently clean the gripper after some time. the klippermate is a decent machine. the gripper uses less strings than the gamma. but you can't go wrong with both with them. it's a matter of personal choice.
     
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  7. max

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    I have the Kmate and use both Kmate and Gamma clamps and the Gamma clamps are very bulky and hard to use.

    This question the OP has is one of the oldest on the boards, and should be a sticky in this area.

    I'd go Klippermate in a New York minute!
     
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  8. 1HandedBackhand

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    Gamma all the way!!!

    Put it this way......I bought a klippermate.....strung about 5 rackets.......returned it......now I have a Gamma X-2 and love it.....enough said!
     
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  9. max

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    That's a surprise to me. I REALLY find the Gamma clamps to be lousy compared to the Klippermate.

    So it goes.
     
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  10. tennis4

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    I agree that the flying clamps come with X-2 are not the best:

    1. it's not easy to close / open;
    2. its size could be too bulky to fit into the top two crosses in pattern like 18x20;

    However, these issues are not the showstopper at all. I've had the X-2 for one and a half years and used it about 30-40 times. When I look at the string jobs it produces, I have no complain.

    On the other hand I heard good thing about KMate from time to time. For one, its clamp is better. So I have to say either one is fine. If your budget is allowed, go for a fixed clamp configuration. Something will likely show up on your wish list one way or the other. A decent fixed clamp machine should make your stringing experience a lot easier.


     
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  11. 1HandedBackhand

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    At first the clamps of the Gamma x-2 took a little getting used to, but after some thought I discovered that a little chapstick where the handle meets the clamp makes it operate much smoother. I simply can't stand the non-ratcheting linear gripper. I know what the klippermater's will say "you will get used to it" well you can also get used to climbing in your window of your car instead of using the door....but why would you?
     
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  12. VanillaBean

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    interesting perspective but not the best comparison. How do you open the window without opening the door first anyways. If you say leave the window open thats just not safe.

    questions for gamma x2/progression users.
    what do the string jaws use to hold on to the string?
    do you experience string slippage with the jaws?

    I have a klippermate and its not so bad, I got it used though and there is premature slippage with the jaws so i have to clean it more often and it is very annoying. steel clamps are very nice though.
     
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  13. 1HandedBackhand

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    have you ever seen the dukes of hazzard....lol I guess I live in a small town where you can leave your keys in the car over-night and not worry.
     
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  14. 1HandedBackhand

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    I had trouble with the klippermate jaws slipping after only 3 rackets and had to double rap the gripper. I have strung about 20 rackets on the gamma and no slippage yet. I also like the fact that there is more room under the racket on the x-2 as opposed to klippermate which is mounted lower.
     
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  15. jgrushing

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    On the other hand, I bought a KM twenty years ago, strung probably 1000 racquets on it, and still think it's awesome. This just isn't a question with a clear answer. The machines are both entry level but they're not the same. But, I must say that the KM is durable beyond a doubt.
     
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  16. jgrushing

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    I'd call the KM folks on this. I've never had these slippage problems. And I never, ever clean the gripper.
     
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  17. 1HandedBackhand

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    What type of string are you using? I was using a klippermates version of rpm blast and some topspin poly string which are very oily. The only reason I posted because everyone wants a person who has strung on BOTH machines. I think its hard to be objective if one has only strung on one machine By the way mr.jgrushing I do like your video and it looks like you are quite proficient at the klippermate.
     
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  18. jgrushing

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    I don't use oily strings. Generally, Gosen OGM. MSV Focus is the main poly I string. I don't use it but have some folks who like it. Then, a few standard multis (Alpha 2000, Wilson Sensation, etc.).

    I've strung on both type machines. Don't like the Gamma clamps and I own a pair. I think the ratchet offers a slight advantage on poly. Otherwise, I'd prefer the KM.

    Thanks on the video; I've strung lots and lots of racquets on that stringer.
     
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  19. max

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    Oh come now, it's surely not that tough, is it? For me, it's like the difference between having click shifts and the regular shift on a bicycle: you do get familiar with the regular shift if you bike at all, and move to where you need it to go without much thought or strain.
     
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  20. jgrushing

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    Have to agree with Max on this one. On non-poly, I prefer the cam gripper to a ratcheting gripper and have used both. It's slower to use once proficient, in my experience. And I don't think there's any doubt that the cam gripper is more durable over the long term.

    Don't you think that, after all these years, KM would have gone to a ratchet if they perceived their system to be a weakness? Once again, the machines are different. Both will do a great job--no need to try to make one sound like junk.
     
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    I talked to Bret just before he left and asked why Gamma did not make V supports for the side supports on their 6 point machines. He said now that Babolat's patent has ran out they may start making them. There is more than one reason not to do something. And it is not always because your way is better.
     
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  22. jgrushing

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    I understand that Irvin, but KM could clearly have a ratchet it they wanted it. I can clearly be done on an entry level machine. They have a long history with a very successful machine that does its job well.
     
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  23. 1HandedBackhand

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    Please don't misunderstand me, I never said the klippermate was junk. I just think that the x-2 is a bit more advanced on the technological side. I think your comment is a little over-sensitive, as I am only stating my opinion. I am not into disrespecting people to make my point.
     
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  24. jgrushing

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    No harm done. I just don't consider the ratchet, which is the main difference, to be a major technological advantage. I think the KM will be more reliable in the long run.

    When you compare using the KM to climbing in the window vs. using the door, you're taking a pretty clear shot. But you have every right to that opinion. I know how well I can string on the KM and probably get a bit defensive.
     
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  25. 1HandedBackhand

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    Its all good I guess my analogy was a bit extreme as I was trying to prove my point. My guess is that its just a Chevy vs Ford type argument, but if gamma ever starts making metal clamps than its on my friend. lol
     
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  26. jgrushing

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    Depends on which one you think is the Ford and which is the Chevy--ha ha!
     
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  27. max

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    This is a good point. Perhaps the market (and their margin) doesn't allow this.

    THE reason I opted for Kmate over Gamma was because I saw a tennis wholesaler catalogue which sold the gamma cam separately, and I'd heard of this pixie-dust stuff on them falling off, and I figured that the gamma cam would eventually wear out or was prone to wearing out. . . why else sell the part separately?
     
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  28. ATP100

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    Buy either one, they both work good, and have lifetime warranties.
     
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  29. TheRed

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    The gamma is a much better machine except for the clamps. Here's how to get the perfect entry level machine: buy the X-2. Sell the clamps on the bay for $40-$50 (I did this). Take this money and buy alpha clamps ($50 for both). Problem solved and you just paid $10 more.
     
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  30. max

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    Great solution! I wouldn't have thought you'd find a buyer.
     
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  31. jgrushing

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    Once again, the standard definitive answer. Only, as usual, I don't agree. I suppose that, if you like a plastic ratchet, that slows down the stringing process, it's clearly better.

    If you're going to make statements that something is "much better" , how about explaining the features that are "much better." There must be lots...except the clamps, of course.

    Seriously, just playing around but can't we agree that neither of these machines is much better than the other. You just have two designs that have been chosen by their manufactures for differing reasons. Both work very well. Very few people have strung on both enough to be equally proficient on both. Therefore, biases are going to enter the argument.
     
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  32. tennis4

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    Both X-2 and KM are very primitive, and reliable! On the other hand, you might want to upgrade to something more "automatic" once you feel comfortable with stringing.

    I would pick whatever is immediately available among these two, of course the least expensive one too. Again, I really don't think you can go wrong with either one. Or simply take the cheaper one.
     
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  33. TheRed

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    Sorry to offend you... I've strung for 20 years. I've owned both for years, stringing for myself and others. I've strung hundreds of racquets on both. The gamma is lighter, has storage, has a nice tray and I prefer the racheting system. Klips tensioner requires more maintenance(cleaning) to make sure it grabs the string when you tension.
    I've strung on both machines. I've strung on high end electronic machines. I've strung on the neos 1000. Nothing beats the value of the X2.
    I don't find the X2 rachet slowing me down. Takes me on average, 20-25 min to string a racquet. Faster if I don't watch tv or listen to the radio. That's good enough for me these days. I only string 2-3 racquets a week. If I strung more I would upgrade but frankly, it's not even worth it for me to upgrade unless I'm going full electronic. For others, the a lockout machine may save 10-20 min. I already string a racquet on the X2 in 20 min.
     
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  34. ART ART

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    20 min. on a drop-weight machine... one string at time, or using 2 strings at the same time on the tensioner?
     
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    One. I never double pull. I've owned the X2 for 7-8 years now so I know the machine very well as well as the amount of slack for different strings due to stringing for 20 years.
     
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  36. TheRed

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    Frankly, I thought I'd only get $20. The clamps sold easily on ****.
     
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  37. tennis4

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    Good idea. But **** charges too much, almost 10% (all fee together). You sold it for $30, you have $27 in your pocket.

     
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  38. tennis4

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    I am so happy to hear what you say about X-2! Indeed it is a very solid, reliable machine. I think about upgrade once in a while. I haven't done anything because X-2 is functioning well, plus I only string a few times in a month.

    I hope that X-2 continues to perform well for many years to come.

     
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  39. ART ART

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    Thanks for replying, that's a very very fast stringing job...

    Keep it goin :)
     
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    You didn't offend me and I said as much. I've also admitted that I get defensive about the Klippermate. I've also strung for over 20 years. I've owned the KM for 20 years. I've also strung on a range of machines including the Gamma entry level and the Neos, etc. I'll grant you that the Gamma is lighter, if that's an advantage. You prefer the ratchet system, I don't. Maybe my KM is exceptional or something, but I've never cleaned the cam gripper and I don't have the slipping problem people speak of. I'm sure I've strung close to 1000 racquets on it. Of course, I don't use oily strings.

    Folks, these are both really good machines. I can speak for the long term durability of the KM. Since I haven't used a Gamma for 20 years, I don't know how it will hold up--probably fine. I own both clamps and don't like the Gamma ones much at all but keep them for stringing emergencies.

    Buy either machine and learn to be proficient. Most people don't need anything more. I've strung over the years for a family of four who all played tennis and lots of friends. Never a problem at all. Go for it.

    Truce...
     
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  41. max

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    I agree with rushing above. They're both going to work. Both have points better than the other and both have points worse than the other.
     
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    Well had my x2 a year I guess love the machine hate the clamps.
    Ordered Klipermate claps love them I think I cut almost 10 mins off my stringing time just from ease of clamping and releaseing woth $80. Also now have spare clamps in the composite gammas but hopeing never to have to use them again.
     
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  43. max

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    I've got a gamma floating clamp with my 2 klippermate clamps. I sometimes run into racquets with really large string spacing, and the gammas can fit in there if the spacing isn't too great.
     
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  44. jgrushing

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    Because, once you get proficient, the Kmate cam gripper is much faster and less cumbersome, IMO. That said, I think the Gamma has a slight advantage with poly. Otherwise, I'll take the Klipper's cam every time (and by a long way).
     
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  45. jgrushing

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    Should have taken the time to realize this is an old thread on which I'd already said more than I should. Two good machines; both work great. Either is all the vast majority of home stringers need.
     
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