I have a Kneissl Black Star for sale. It is a 4 1/4" grip but I have it heat shrink sleeved to a 4 1/2" grip. So you can make it anywhere from a 4 1/4 to a 4 1/2" grip by taking off the heat shrink sleeves. It is a 9.0 condition. I'm asking $85 for it shipped to the 48 USA. if you have any questions: mctennis72 at yahoo dot com Thank you.