Kneissl White Star

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  1. SOY78

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    $60 For Serenas Booty?
     
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  2. plasma

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    if that's the buy it now price I won't be picky about shipping costs!
     
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    Is the head size of a Masters 25 approximately 98 sq inches?
     
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    ^Head size of Masters 25 = 86 sq. inches
     
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    that's right a true mid, rumors said that lendl pj'ed kneissl masters for his gtx mid, I won't answer to it since I still speak to folks who brought him to this country and am not really sure what I am allowed to share....needless to say "E-vaughn" paid his gd (mf) dues, in ways that atheleltes over here can never know about...nuff said...
     
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    จี๊ดมาก :)
     
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  7. gymrat76

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    ..that looks like a four letter word...
     
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  8. pshulam

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    ^it is a 4-letter word: much or many
     
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    dampner can be anywere below the lowest cross

    Useless trivia... Have had USTA types gripe at me on several occasions if I put it any higher than snug against the lowest main (the round ones I sometimes stuff just above the lowest main so I get 4 contact points instead of 3). Change-jingling, foot-fault-allowing USTA guy keeps saying it ain't legal (stemming from sphagetti strings years ago...). Methinks he's been reading too much, and needs to start calling foot faults... :twisted:
     
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    You're so smart. This slang word will be used when you was amazed by something exciting.

    จี๊ดมาก, แจ่ม, แหล่ม = cool, awesome

    Thai words is very flexible.
     
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  11. plasma

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    wow, maybe gymrat has unusual language talent like Plasma. Thai is soooo hard. Friend who build house in Thailand...Farang who Thai accept as their own, live there for ten (10) year with wife, and neither can even speak more than simple word, traditional village dialect even more difficult, ungh! Here are some american adjective that mean "good", look for irony...
    1.badass
    2.kick-ass
    3.badass mother-fu%kin (bamf)
    4.bad (man did you see the way plasma hit that ball, bro???that **** was "Bad", homey...shi-it.)
    5.killer (ooh what a "killer" movie, I loved it!!!!)(that desert is so chocolaty and creamy...it's killer!( can be used by upperclass too, sometimes)
    6. def (ebonic/african american/urban street slang dialect) used primarily by Americans of African American descent- origin: english: DEATH. ("man, did you see plasma pass and smoke that foo' trying to poach homey? damn that whiteboy is Def, he's the shiznit, ho-dee; I'm sayin, god."
    7. Rad- origin:english: tmnt suburban, common useage. Short for "Radical", adapted from the talkin style used by unemployed caucasian men of the beachside surfer community: "Whoa Buuuud, did you see the mudflaps on that honey???? that's rad brau...
    8. The ****- oooh just tried the 150g, it's the **** homey, that injection molding is so def, cuz (cousin).
    9.Dope- african american slang for very good...
    10.ill- whoa did you see the way he ran to that ball, I've never seen someone run so fast, that **** was ill bro!(caucasian)

    Many many freind go to thailand, Kru Roy and I head there on same plane in 2001, Kru "Toothless Tom" now coach UFC, he head there, and bring Kru Mark now also coach UFC #1 champion. Kru Mark only farang to attain ranking in Rajadamnern stadium, he can speak Thai, it is because he is so humble....
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    releif at Ankgor Wat prove traditional customs, food, dance, tatoo, fighting, wai kru ram muay, music etc. is over 1,100 year old. Plasma eat knowledge like sticky rice, one day will have enough Bhat to fill stomach, now still hungry...Khap Khun Mai Khapp
    -jungleboy Chaia Hanuman Plasma I
     
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  13. blackfrido

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    how much would you pay for a yellow Kneissl Super Vario Pro? in decent condition, thanks
     
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  14. plasma

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    that's interesting but pales in comparison to the Ion Tiriac photo. Is that the famous arms dealer, narcotics kingpin/tennis pro getting make up for a photo shoot?
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    could it be that the retired smuggler Romainian Billionare is in fact?...:
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    a sweathog????
     
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    Apparently they are impossible to find in decent condition, as the variable weighting system inside the handle/grip broke very easily:(

    Can anyone confirm this at all please?
     
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  16. jimbo333

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    So does nobody know if a working Kneissl Super Pro Vario exists?
     
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  17. plasma

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    I saw one with cover several months ago, they exist..
     
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  18. Sigi

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    Oh, I'm sure they do exist. I foolishly sold one off several years ago when I was thinning out my collection (but now I have twice as many racquets).

    The balancing feature worked fine but I felt the racquet did not hit/feel as solid as the Lendl Pros that I had.
     
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  19. plasma

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    thanks for confirming that, another review seemed to express the same thing about the vario. I will most likely switch back to using the lendl pro this year, nothing better for solid flat drives produced with a looping classical stroke, modern racquets have decent spin potential but no accuracy, I love disecting 5.5 players who rely too much on topspin, you sold out your game, your fluff spin (to me) is like slapping Mike Tyson: inefective...gives me no problems at all (after a few minutes i've succesfully timed every attempt at spin you will make for the rest of the day.
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    to make someone overhit, mix in a heavy topspin shot after 4 flat shots. I find that most players under 5.0 can't handle my underspin, players above that still can't do much with it...maybe with my reliance on volleys and occasional spin I'll use something more spin and volley friendly like the txe. No wonder Lendl crushed opponents from the back court but never came to net...he was using an Austiran club!!!!
     
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  20. Sigi

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    Just another point for you folks who like to experiment with different string combinations in their Kneissls.

    I recently tried Ashaway Monogut in the mains and Prince Tournament Nylon (yes, believe it or not) in the crosss strings and the results have been great. Increased power and spin but still with a very comfortable hit.
     
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  21. Frankauc

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    I tried this racquet for the first time yeasterday, WOW. I was so impresse by the FEEL and power of this racquet. I hit with lots of topspin and even if the headsize is small, it seemed i always hit the sweetspot! I dont know if its because of the head shape but i never tried a tennis racquet that has such an awesome feel! And it wasnt heavy at all! Im playing with a vantage that weights about 340g strung with an overgrip. I would guess the the Kniessel Lendel white star i tried weight about that. I thought it would be an heavy racquet.

    What's the weight?
     
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  22. ibii70

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    Wow.... Nice PJ
     
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  23. plasma

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    more than a pretty face...she hits superbly!!!
     
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    Hi Plaz, This one which I told you..................My new guitar hero.

    Thanks for P Becker a lot...

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    It's god of art.

    Thanks,

    Yuth
     
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  25. plasma

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    wanted to adress my friend Fabrice Leroy's comment about lateral flex in the aero series. Aero was a beautiful and interesting series. Professional racquets. My aero is prostaff performance level (but so much cooler looking).
    Yes a little less stability than the flat beam 2X4 kneissls, good point. Didn't the egghead get thrown out after the aero series when they did the conventional shaped SPARK series? How could they do that to us? those Austrian *******s!
    hey Yuth, it seems that some 80's racquets were manufactured in Thailand, I think even the ps 85 for a while maybe???
     
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  26. Sander001

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    Mine looks most like the White Star Pro Masters or Lendl but mine just says 'What Star Pro'.

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    Can anybody tell me anything about it?
     
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  27. retrowagen

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    Same mold as the Lendl Pro and White Star Pro Masters, just didn't have the Kevlar in the mix - strictly graphite and fiberglass. They made these circa 1982-1985 in that graphic.
     
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  28. tembolo1284

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    Good lord these frames are gorgeous!
     
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    If I have to get just one White Star, which one of them is the "holy grail"? There are so many different versions out there and I'm confused. Thanks!
     
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  30. NLBwell

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    I had a White Star Twin, but didn't like it very much - seemed too light and flex and I couldn't get any power (it really wasn't that light). The White Star Big was really a nice oversize frame.
     
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  31. retrowagen

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    There were around a dozen different models in the White Star line from seven moulds made over a span of ten years or so. Out of all of them, the one with the best pedigree of pro use was the 1983-1985 version of the graphite-fiberglass-Kevlar composite White Star Pro Masters (white with blue and red stripes on the shaft). This model was used in more grand slam finals in the calendar year 1985 than any other model of racquet, and was the racquet in Kevin Curren's hand at the gentlemen's final at Wimbledon (after he defeated John McEnroe and Jimmy Connors in the preceeding rounds with it!).
     
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  32. vintagefan

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    Does White Star Pro Masters = White Star Lendl Pro?
     
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  33. retrowagen

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    It is the same racquet. Kneissl lost the Lendl racquet sponsorship contract to Adidas for 1982 or 1983 (IIRC), although the first Adidas Lendl GTX Pros Lendl used were apparently in fact White Star Pros (with a Graphite-Fiberglass composition), made in the Kneissl factory in Kufstein, Tirol, Austria, with an Adidas paintjob. Later, the molds for the frame were duplicated and taken to a factory set up by Adidas in France to produce racquets.

    The White Star Lendl Pro actually differed from the White Star Pro in that it added Kevlar aramide fibers to its layup. The White Star Pro Masters was a rename of the White Star Lendl Pro. In 1986, the graphics were changed to a neat white with red flashes, and the frame referred informally as the White Star Masters, though Kneissl catalogs for 1986 identified it still as White Star Pro Masters. For 1987, it was given another graphics refresh and was renamed the Masters 10, to bring it in line with the new graphics and model naming scheme Kneissl used across their tennis line. By late 1988, despite some ATP and WTA pros still successful with the model, it became a casualty of the market preference shift towards larger headed and widebody models. Kneissl ceased racquet production in Austria, and pulled out of the racquet industry shortly after, not coming back for a few years. They're still touch and go, but I hope they can restructure and come back to the marketplace in force, with great products - they have an excellent heritage of performance and interesting design.
     
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  34. vintagefan

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    How's the feel compared to wood?
     
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  35. joe sch

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    I feel these kneissl white star rackets play much like a woody, probably one of the most similar of all the graphite rackets. I have stated many times that the model that I have saved for hitting because its strung with some nice vintage victor natural gut plays like butter. No stresses on the arm and just launches the hits. If you like flex and feel, its a GOAT contender.
     
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  36. retrowagen

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    I still clearly remember the day I hit with a Kneissl White Star for the first time. It was in 1983, a White Star Lendl Pro belonging to a doubles partner friend of mine. It had the most peculiar tactile and aural experience of any tennis racquet I've tried before or hence. I remember, the best way I had to explain how it felt was likening it to a vacuum cleaner and an air cannon all at once: it felt as though the balls it struck sunk in to the stringbed, as if "vacuumed in," and it could then propel them in a way unlike other frames, launching them out with effortless snap coupled with the characteristic crisp "air rifle" sound that only Kneissl frames made. And ball control was neural: one thought of where he wanted the ball to go, and if he could set up and put a decent strike on the ball, that's exactly where it would go. In that way, it was one of those weird tools which surprised by giving no surprises. It did require impeccable timing, footwork, and prep to operate well, though: despite its inherent magic, it was no crutch.

    The following season, I had some White Star Pro Masters in my bag.
     
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  37. Richie Rich

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    one of the best serving racquets in it's day.
     
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  38. vintagefan

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    Does only Pro Masters have these characteristics or all the White Stars do?
     
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  39. retrowagen

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    The White Star Lendl Pro, White Star Pro Masters, and Masters 10 (which are all the same racquet and composition under different paint) do. I've tried all the other Kneissl models and feel they do not perform in quite the same way, though they are good racquets.
     
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    I actually broke a white star on a serve in the late 80s, so yeah, they were kinda fragile....
     
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    I broke one on a serve also. Except mine broke at the end of my follow through after a ligament in the front of my shoulder exploded. There was an audible pop from the ligament then a louder pop as the head of the frame broke. Was never able to repair the shoulder. Serve went from 120 mph at 5' 8" tall to the high 80's, :(.
     
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    I loved loved loved and adored the White Star Lendl in the 80's it's a tragedy of Biblical proportions what has happened to this great company. Babolat Aeropro Drive GT is the only racquet that comes near it in terms of feel.
     
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    Any info on the White Star Masters 25?
     
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    Any of these models you should probably love. Where you at in TX ? If Dallas, I could meet up with you for some classic hitting fun. Always fun to bring out some of my stash for players who can play, especially SV and can appreciate some fine vintage sticks.
     
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  46. sargeinaz

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    :shock: those are beautiful. I've tried to find a decent condition one for a reasonable price for a while. One day I'll have one. I got to try a racket some
    People consider the best ever.
     
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    Unfortunately I'm not currently residing in Texas. Was in Austin but my job brought me to Sydney. Best thing about the racquet though was that I only paid $3 for it. Love taking it out on court!
     
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    How does the monoshaft White Star play like vs the split throat? Does it give really bad torsional twist on off center hit?
     
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  49. KneisslOfficial

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    lovely to see such interest in these old greats. i actually dug out my old white star pro and used it last night, after reading this yesterday.
     
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