Kudos for Novak for Not Retiring

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  1. winstonplum

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    Didn't see the Kei/Nov match, but seeing the score makes me think that Novak was ailing in the third. Good for him for realizing how absurd it would look to the casual observer it he would have retired in three out of his four losses for the year. When Nads wins the DC with Spain and then the WTF, he's going to have some good form going into 2012. Vamos!!
     
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  2. seffina

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    He couldn't retire like he could the other two times because there's no time off b/w tournys now. He would have to skip something if he had retired.

    I'm kidding, btw. I didn't watch the match and have no idea who played how. Congrats to Nishikori for doing what only Murray, Federer, and Del Potro have done this year.
     
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    Yea, he does get kudos, but he really couldn't lose that way again, he'd have gotten horrible press for it. He's very rusty, and looks tentative, only going after it once in a while. Not sure, if he just wanted to get his feet wet and recover a bit more. He hasn't looked very good at all. He's had flashes of his year, but that's all. He's looked more like Novak 1.0, but I will give him credit for not retiring as well as not throwing any temper tantrums with yelling or throwing his racket around. I didn't see a man looking to win during the tournament.

    We'll see how much he improves during Paris next week. Personally, based on his play this week, I wouldn't see him winning.
     
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  4. Mike Sams

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    WTF is before the Davis Cup is it not?
     
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    He wasn't ailing, in fact in between the 2nd and 3rd, Kei got his foot taped or retaped. Kei looked more fragile than Novak actually. Novak simply looked like he didn't care after going 0-3 in the 3rd set. Novak is definitely rusty and tentative in my book right now.
     
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    Yes it is. And, we'll see how well Novak has worked the rust off after next week. The WTF this year doesn't look like it's going to have anyone really come in on a roll. Murray could be injured, Nadal is wiped out, Novak is rusty, and Fed is not quite as rusty as Novak. I see Fed winning WTF.
     
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  7. winstonplum

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    You're right. My bad.
     
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  8. Mike Sams

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    Davis Cup may be decided between Federer and Murray. The rest have packed it in it seems.
     
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    Neither Fed or Murray are in DC, it's Spain and Argentina. Did you mean WTF? Murray may be injured, he pulled out of Basal, and may be hurt. I'm guessing WTF is between Fed and Fed at this point.
     
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    LOL!!! I meant World Tour finals would be decided between Federer and Murray. My bad!
     
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    Hmmm, I have to say that Federer has a chance to finish the year strongly with the other top 3 guys being exhausted. He could win Basel, Paris and the WTF. Of course even if he finishes the year strongly and in great form, it's completely meaningless going into the AO. 2012 will be a whole different thing as everybody will be ready to go.
     
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    I agree with this. Although, I'm not sure about Paris, but I'd definitely see him in the final. Folks are exhausted, it's clear to see. Of course, there's a few guys that are getting their feet wet again after injury like Berdych, who I see as a wildcard. I think Nadal would love to win WTF, but cares about winning DC more. Spain already has a court picked out for him.
     
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    Djokovic never should have played Nadal at the US Open.
     
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    I don't even get the context of this post? Why shouldn't Djokovic have played?
     
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    The writing is on the wall. I think a lot of people thought the same early in the 4th set of the US Open final. The result masked it, but the effects of 'outlasting' Nadal are plain to see.
     
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    Quite frankly, if Djokovic was dead in the water, why didn't Nadal win? I'm a huge Nadal fan, and facts are facts. Nadal won 2010, Djokovic won 2011.

    I will say, Djokovic was blessed with his 2011 draw and the times that he played, not in the heat, but he won and it's history. And that really has no place in this post, it's a deflection and redirection of what the main post was about. Not sure what you're issue is to bring it up. Go post in a Nadal post instead of bringing him into a Basal post.
     
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    Oh sorry, I thought this thread was about Djokovic being injured. All I'm saying is, Nadal broke Djokovic, long-term.

    *unsubscribes*
     
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    Novak could have retired against Rafa at the US Open and still would have won.
     
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    Please just let the incorrect posting of one person here about Nadal to die, this post is about Basal, where Nadal isn't a factor.
     
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    Rommil will always take a cheap shot at Nadal with every opportunity. Get on with the program.
     
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    It's spelled as Basel :)

    The shoulder thing was before the US Open against Murray. Nadal didn't impar Djokovic. Injuries heal, Djokovic has had a strong season, doesn't need to prove anything.



    He could, and I think it would make a difference, confidence is something Federer has been lacking and is usually a decider in whether or not he'll show up to play or not. On the contrary, he started playing well in the beginning of the AO this year, after his WTF win. However, I think it's just that he didn't expect Djokovic 2.0 to show up, in all honesty, at this point Federer is the player to beat Djokovic, he knows he needs to keep his foot on the gas, so if he runs into him in the AO 2012 he'll know what to do. But the surface favors Novak, so I could see that going to 5 sets if both are in form a la US Open 2011. Either way, it's going to be a while before the AO 2012, we'll see what happens when it happens.
     
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    I think completely meaningless is a bit strong.
     
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    I second that opinion.
     
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  24. celoft

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    Federer had ZERO retirements in 2006. Or in any other year, actually.:shock:
     
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    Djoker grew up today. He is actually taking his #1 ranking and the responsibility that goes with it seriously. I still have many issues with him, but this was a good step forward. He didn't quit. He still made the injury excuse, but at least he finished this time.
     
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  26. celoft

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    Kudos for Federer for NEVER Retiring.
     
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    the Joke didnt even make an effort in the 3rd set.
     
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    Yes he manned up and chose the positive PR thing in actually losing instead of calling another match when he knows he's going to lose.
     
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    True, but he didn't retire, which was mature.
     
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    He did? He is? He has retired twice from matches he was losing with supposed injuries while he has been #1 ths year. Cvac is and will always be a quitter when the going gets rough,and no ranking will ever change that mentality.
     
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    Well, it seems that time will tell soon enough..... There's Paris and WTF. We'll see if Novak pulls the injury as to the loss no matter if his finishes or not. Novak should man up and lose in the next 2 matches or cement his retiring schtick if he doesn't by takes MTOs the entire time. Nadal has zippo on Novak's drama queen nature.
     
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    I don't believe he is really injured. It seems he likes to pull the injury card any time he is losing or a player is actually taking it to him. He did it against Murray in Cinci,against Delpo at DC,and again in Basel aginst Nishikori. It seems when a player finally plays well against him and does not roll over or fold mentally(Nadal),he quits. It's just one of many reasons I have never liked this guy and never will.
     
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    Well, I think you will be proved right or wrong in the next few weeks. Novak is just such a weeny, although he did actually lose today, which I felt was for PR.... But, anyone that can only lose on injury like Novak this year is just pitiful. I missed the early part of the match where Novak apparently called for the trainer over and over. Not surprising in how he looked against Bagdatis.

    While some folks think that Nadal is a drama queen with injury, Novak puts Nadal to shame with his drama queen style. I couldn't believe the huge freaking drama when Novak collapsed on the ground against DelPo in DC and his teammates acted like they'd lost their president.
     
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    I know. It was a Razzy worthy performance I'll tell you that. I actually laughed when I saw the big production he pulled at DC. It was not only an act,but shameful and disrespectful. Noone who is supposedly so seriously injured goes out and plays soccer only 3 days after falling down in agony like that,either. As I have said before,they don't call him Faker for nothing.

    Like you said,he is the biggest drama queen I have ever seen on a tennis court. It's downright pathetic and laughable at the same time.
     
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    And yet, Novak and crew think it's funny to slam Nadal in their stupid azz videos that then get pulled..... The only Nadal videos I've seen pulled were for his being drunk after Spain won the World Cup in Soccer. Which I consider a BFD, he was off the clock, and celebrating a huge azz victory for his country.
     
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    Yep. Cvac and his team acted deplorably after he won Madrid. Can you imagine the sh*t Nadal would have caught for that if he had done the same thing? Especially if he had just beaten Roger? The servers that host this place would have exploded with the total sh*tstorm that would have erupted. Lol.
     
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    While I can't stand Novak, I don't consider him done, and also see Nadal as being a man in crisis. It makes me sad since I'm a nadal fan. I'm hoping he comes back and has another even year "great year".

    Nadal actually played well in 2011 for being a slave to sponsors, which I hadn't seen before. Of course, Novak deserves his kudos for 2011, he earned it.
     
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    I didn't say Cvac was done. I think he will win the WTF,and defend most of his titles next year if not all of them. What I was referring to was the way he and his team behaved after Madrid. The block party they threw out in front of the players hotel was classless and disrespectful. His coach was writhing around half naked on top of an suv,for crying out loud. It was sickening.
     
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    Wow that means you really think that Basel was just a total tank job, instead of a reality of Novak playing like he did injured. Do you think he's BSing the crowd? If he's doing that, then he's going to bring serious bad press to tennis...
     
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    Cvac tanking Basel is not out of the question. Maybe he just showed up because he was expected to defend a final there. If that's the case I think he simply half-ass*d it there until he just tanked out. He will most likely be ready for Bercy(and will probably win it),and will then dominate the WTF. He plays possum,and this is just another one of those instances.

    Here is a link to his oh so tasteful Madrid celebration: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g43cWPNBMU0
     
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    Oh, I don't care to see his tasteful celebration.....

    But, he's already put it out there he may pull out of Paris... I don't think he can win even if he plays. He's only won 1 straight setter against < 32 players. He's not prepared physically or mentally. He's currently of a mindset that only loses to injury, and doesn't see that it's mental as well. Novak did lose without breaking a racket, which was mature of him, but, I don't see him as learning lose any better than he has. He's just chosen to see than any loss is simply an injury.
     
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    Are Nadal and sureshs one and the same person?

    Nowadays on the internets you never know!
     
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    No way. The humble spartan would never make the kind of posts sureshs does.
    And most importantly he would never call Cincy the real slam over Monte Carlo :D
     
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    Yes indeed. He played the entire match almost at 25% of his usual level. But he didn't retire this time. Good to see that.
     
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