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Discussion in 'Pros' Racquets and Gear' started by dgoran, Dec 13, 2010.

  1. Pioneer

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    My information is that he used a custom mold earlier in his career and then went back to a standard Head L2 later on. His grip size is crazy though, L2 without a replacement grip so it's more like L1


     
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  2. ryushen21

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    I actually have it very good authority that Guga is using a new model TGK278.3 with 30g of silicone in the handle and several layers of lead from 10-2 under the headguard....
     
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    hmm then please tell me why my tgk 238.5 weighted 252 g with a balance of 379 mm. It was customized by head Austria to the same specs as the retail with silicone and lead and plays very different from the stock version which I got. Please explain would you?:)
     
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    Because yours is TGK 238.5-E1 not TGK 238.5 like stock YT Prestige in other words exception to the rule...
     
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    Looks suspiciously like a hybrid in the last photo you posted, the one with Guga serving.
     
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    I agree, it looks a bit like gut in the crosses...
     
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  7. big bang

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    yes it is, but could you tell me the difference? Does E1 indicate the specific lay-up then?.
     
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    Honestly I do not know but what Dgoran says make sense:

     
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  9. bad_call

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    E1?...u making these codes up ;) E1 = exception 1
     
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    I am sorry, but that is a TOTAL BS.
    You obviously have never seen any Pro Room rackets if you claim such a thing...
    The Pro room rackets 90% of the time have TOTALLY different spec as the retail racket.
    The racket I use for example has the weight and ballance not possible to achieve with the retail racket...
     
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  11. li0scc0

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    Weight and balance are often always possible to achieve.
    What is not possible are different levels of flex, flex points, etc.
    E.g. I could spec out a racquet to exactly the same weight and balance as Djokovic's, but the flex and flex point would be way off.
    I match racquets for people when they switch from one to another. I match based on weight and balance point. I always tell them "beware....these won't feel exactly the same". The flex is different, and other characteristics are different. But weight and balance are relatively easy to match (if possible).
     
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    Scary.., I am using the same stick (also switched from Prestige) and shoes (and yes I did replace the insoles to superfeet orange) as Goran and am also a crazy lefty, now all I have to do is switch from Nike to ST and I will be him (minus grand slam), except I am much more vertically challenged. :(
     
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    Of course. I was just referring to the fact that stock is not real HL close to even bsalance.
     
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    Maybe it was cutomized after manufacturing? Here is my question, what is the point of the code? What does it mean? Why a racquet made in China has the same code that one made in Austria?
     
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    That was amazing





     
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    Both rackets are made in China, the Pro room TGK and the Retail racket. The Pro Room version hairpin is LIGHTER, therefore, either different materials or things missing inside, i.e. different materials. The balance of the Pro Stock racket is also different from the Retail (less head-light).
    I know for sure that the Pro Stock rackets are made in different Chinese factory from the Retail sticks.
     
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  17. bad_call

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    product number...lets those know what it is for the other processes down the line: i.e. paint, drill pattern, etc. reasonable guestimation heh?
     
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  18. ART ART

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    Sorry, but not in different factory, but the same factory.

    Only in different production lines. Just this.
     
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  19. vsbabolat

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    You do know that back in the day that same racquet models for the consumer used to come in different weights such as Light, Light Medium, Medium, and even Heavy in some cases. So are you telling me that the Graphite Edge that was a weighted during manufacture as a Light is a different racquet than a Graphite Edge that was weighted during manufacture as a Medium. You also must know that Yonex used to weight their racquets according to grip size. A Yonex Super RD Tour 90 for example in 4 3/8 grip size is lighter than a Yonex Super RD Tour 90 in 4 5/8 grip size. So according to you these are different racquets and not all Super RD Tour 90.

    Snauwaert used to make racquets of the same models in different weights and balances. They had the weights, balance, and grip size engraved on the side of the racquets for matching. All done during manufacture.


    The Pro Stock racquets are made in the same factory in China.
     
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    Can you show a proof for the factory thing since I was told by Mr. Bosworth that they share "their" factory resources with "some Head" pro stock stuff. In fact, these factories are in HKG rather than in China.

    Things might have changed since I talked to him 2-3 years ago..
     
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    I am sure those Examples also sound different, have different balances (intended for silicone in the handle) and so on...
    Maybe they do...I have never tried any of the ones you mentioned...
     
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    Sorry, They don't sound different. You can have racquets that are the same model manufactured to different weights and balances. It was done for decades and decades for the consumer.
     
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  23. Kirko

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    oh my gosh ! >>

    VS you are so right !! the last frame I saw that was weighted lt. med. heavy was the dunlop 200G that was a Great feature !! no need for lead tape, I played my whole wood period with Kramer firm-flex they were light-mediums the very very best weight for me and I started at twelve years old like that. the guy who taught me tennis private lessons Butch Buchholz here in st.louis advised me about this as best weight for me to start and grow into.
     
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  24. vsbabolat

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    Well, it is my understanding that the OEM for both Pro Stock and Retail is Marshal Industrial Corporation.
     
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    you forgot to add: IMO (In My Opinion).:)
     
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    is it not possible for Guga to have a "retail" frame customized (as in leaded up) to his standards in the Head Pro Room? The materials (as far as anyone knows and no one can prove) are the same. There is no proof that the TGK's have any kind of different graphite material make up than the "retail" versions. if you have some proof, please provide it would help with the theories going on around here.:)
     
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  27. Azzurri

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    the pro room TGK's come lighter and that is pretty much a fact. some come with silicone in handle and some don't, but the psecs (weight, SW and balance) are not retail stock. Materials..no one truly knows. But I have hit both retail MG and YT and there was NO difference in feel. MG was softer than the YT in both TGK and Retail.
     
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    I am a little confused. I don't recall ever having a choice between a Light, Medium, and Heavy Max 200g. I had owned 11 of the 200G's (9 in the 80's) and I don't remember ever choosing or given a choice or weights. I know that the "Pro" version was lighter or heavier than previous versions but I don't remember having 3 choices..never heard this.
     
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  29. vsbabolat

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    Early on in the Max200G production Light, Light Medium, and Medium were available. Shortly after only Light was available.
     
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    I know this is on a side note, but I was wondering... if modern racquets aren't made in differently weighted versions, what makes e.g. the Babolat AeroPro Drive GT and the Babolat Aeropro Drive Lite GT different in terms of materials etc.?

    According to TW all specs besides the weight related ones are the same (minus flex different of 2, 70 vs. 72).

    http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Babolat_AeroPro_Drive_GT/descpageRCBAB-BAPDGT.html#spec

    http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Babolat_AeroPro_Lite_GT/descpageRCBAB-BAPLGT.html

    I guess my question also adheres to light versions made by e.g. Technifibre, Völkl, Prince and asian version Wilsons. Are these based on the same hairpin (if it is correct to use that term in this context) and weighted differently later in the process (in the handle or elsewhere?), or are they basicly different racquets?

    Edit: Maybe I misunderstood your discussion in the way that racquets are not weighted light, MEDIUM and heavy anymore, but I'm still interested in knowing what you guys know about retail lightweight versions...
     
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  31. Azzurri

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    when did they first come out? I began using them in 1985ish (late Fall) if I recall. I guess then at the time I was not able to have a choice.
     
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  32. vsbabolat

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    The Max200G came out in 1982.
     
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  33. Azzurri

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    I did find some information and indeed they had been in 3 weight versions. now I am going to be on the lookout for a lighter version. Do you happen to know what sticker code i should look for?
     
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  34. vsbabolat

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    Light or "L".
     
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  35. Azzurri

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    I will check my 200g that I have. any chance all the racquets after were L versions?
     
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  36. Big John

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    Ok, trying to summarise all of this.. From my small experience with tgk frames, they may well come from the same mold as the retail racquets (but may not), are often made from lighter materials to come out lighter than the retail to allow them to be siliconed and leaded up to exactly what the player needs (makes a substantial difference from what I can see) and they can flex differently (amount of flex and places they flex) than the retail and this may be increased when they are weighted up?

    Obviously there are a large number of longer TGK's around too, clearly going to play very differently from the retail. Extending retail racquets often makes them too heavy for many recreational players to use from my experience.

    Currently using tgk 238.1's and pro stock flexpoint prestige paintjobs that come out much lighter than the retail and when leaded up at 12 play completely differently than the retail at a lighter overall weight but with much more head heavy balance.

    Have I got this right please?
     
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    Mysterious double post. Sorry guys.
     
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    Most of your info is basically correct. However, you've got the analysis a little bit wrong with respect to extended length versions. First off, they aren't really "extended", they simply cut them off longer when finishing the frames, as the racquet comes off the line much longer than stock, and they then choose what length they want it to be. More importantly, extended frames aren't much heavier at all then standard length, since the amount of added material is minimal. However, the added length does affect the balance, flex and swingweight, so they do have a different feel, and may seem harder to get around. However, with a little adjustment period, there is absolutely no reason why most recreational players couldn't get used to them...it's not that big a deal, it's more of a matter of preference, and whether the added length will give the particular person any benefit.
     
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    This thread is full of so much awesomeness, I can't begin to describe.

    Thank you all for brightening up my rainy afternoon!

    Needs more high-rez pics too. :D
     
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    so are you saying TGK rackets have youtek, or microgel, or liquidmetal technology? my understanding is not only are they lighter, but have a different weight distribution, and are all graphite/filler but no D30 etc...

    If that is the case, how can you say they are the same as retail? Just the mold and drill pattern are the same.
     
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    The mold, drill pattern, and flex are the same. As far as I'm concerned it's the same racket. There is nothing special about using a TGK other than that you are able to better customize it to your liking. Personally I think that the Radical is light enough to allow you to do so, without buying a $299 racket...
     
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    You think the flex is the same? There is a thread somewhere showing the TGK had different levels of stiffness from the RDC machine testing and some models specifically are the same mold but softer or stiffer for example.
     
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    But you didn't answer the question about what the composition of the racket is.
     
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    At this point in his career I would not be surprised at all if it was a stock racquet weighted to his liking.
     
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